or had ever done a research on the feasibility of setting up swiftlet farming Cambodia?
pls share ok.. thanks
V4. Swiftlet Keeping Discussions, All About Swiftlet Keeping Industry
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 Feb 28 2012, 11:15 PM
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hello guys.. any farmers here that has invested BH in Cambodia?
or had ever done a research on the feasibility of setting up swiftlet farming Cambodia? pls share ok.. thanks |
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Feb 29 2012, 04:15 PM
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QUOTE(ChanK @ Feb 29 2012, 09:38 AM) Cambodia good place to invest!. when malaysia govt shut us down, all the birds will fly over there for sure. guaranteed 100%!. many thanks for your reply.. reason being me asking is that im really interested in investing in a BH here in Cambodia due to the favorable results of my uncle's BH back in Sarawak. and i wanna invest here in Cambodia because Malaysia is flooded with BHs nowadays don't worry about temperature, as hot temperature area will becomes desert and all birds will fly away, cold temperature area will becomes swiftlet heaven in future. always think of future when comees to bird's nest. above is my opinion after whole night tui in overtime. I think the fair price for raw bird's nest is still RM2.80.Those who can hold pls hold it till that price. Too bad this industry is not exclusively to malaysia. indonesia, thailand, vietnamese n etc are also big export players...i wonder if our govt know about it...the way they act n plan is liked we are the only one in this world supplying bird's nests. It is power play in china, see who comes out the bird's nest king in china.   i had not done much research on the BH investment here. however, i read an article months ago that this place, Sihanoukville (coastal area of Cambodia) has over 200++ BH already  im thinking should i join the crowd there (due to the advantage of it being a coastal area) or should i find somewhere and be one of the pioneers of setting up a BH? i will read up on what are the best places that is most suitable for swiftlet to stay in... or anyone here is kind enough to give me a summary??  ok the highlighted in and bold above, Mr. Chan K, why do u think that Cambodia is a good place to invest BH? mind to elaborate? probably after u sober up from ur tui in overtime  also, when msia shuts swiftlet farming in malaysia down, only the birds will fly to msia? what if msia decided to legalize it under agriculture? then the birds wont fly here anymore?? or does Cambodia has its own supply of swiftlet (born in cambodia)?  anyone here already invested BH in Cambodia? Please dont be shy to share your voice  or anyone here know some successful swiftlet farmer in Cambodia??everyone knows Cambodia is usually very very hot.. birds dont like hot temperature, do they? so looking at a location which has average cold-warm temperature should be an ideal place to start swiftlet farming? please correct me if i am wrong.. im starting with the knowledge in this aspect  will be starting to read books on swiftlet farming starting today and hopefully can consult and further my knowledge with all the experienced and professionals here  |
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Mar 1 2012, 10:43 AM
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QUOTE(northface @ Feb 29 2012, 06:02 PM) icecold, I think Cambodia's weather should be similar to those of peninsular Malaysia's East coast, since Cambodia's shore line is located along the Gulf of Thailand, which is essentially connected to south china sea. It is slightly located northwards so the temp should be cooler. thank you so much for that piece of advice I think for most ppl, the problem is how to manage your BH in Cambodia, not its weather. And you're wrong about swiftlets, they are a tropical species therefore they love hot and humid weather, you go somewhere slightly higher like Genting Highlands and you will see zero swiftlets, a lof of grass swiftlets but no EBN-making swiftlets. appreciated it lots!! thats why these swiftles mostly flock around coastal area, be it riverside or seaside? am i right on this? thats where their food chain is located at... correct me if im wrong i will probably pay a visit to the infamous swiftlet concentrated farming place (which i read from an articles there are more than 200 BHs) within this few weeks and see how they run it there. About how to manage the BH, i will also try to find out whether there are any local regulations/authority overseeing this particular industry or not. if so, what are the criterias, restrictions, support and so on...... Added on March 1, 2012, 10:45 am QUOTE(leongyitseng @ Feb 29 2012, 10:15 PM) I am also interested in BH in Cambodia, the only problem is how are gonna manage BH?? Any masters here are running this or experience the practice there? Our government seems like not very support in this farming. Appreciate more inputs. good to see that u'r also interested in BH in cambodia... managing the BH here i believe would not differ much from how u manage ur BH back in malaysia. the only concern is that whether the local govt here supports this industry or not. if yes, what are the regulations, criteria or support from them? let me try to find this out and will keep u all posted  are u also operating a BH back in malaysia? Added on March 1, 2012, 10:55 am QUOTE(ChanK @ Mar 1 2012, 08:52 AM) we in malaysia also cannot see clearly the future of bird's nests industry here...let alone helping u to see cambodia bird's nest future... a very good understanding on bird's nature there but my instinct told me, first find out how your govt think of this industry, their worry, their view, their future plan and if there will be future govt cronies want to monopoly the market ...but then how to see the future till that long...no one knows what will happen in the future...let alone the future of bird's....a human predicting the future of a bird...hahahaha....funny...very very funny....hahahhaaha.... if still think of wanting to predict the future of birds...hahaha....grab a map or google cambodia map...just like human...birds also created by five elements, earth,water,fire,air,and ai ya..forgot the last elements...too much tui in overtime....so, same like human....they might look for a better surrounding area that can provide them with foods and a save place for their kids...so, just liked our anscestors...they lived near to rivers, a place not too hot, and can find foods (hunting animals n etc) easily in walking distance...and when that area is lack of foods, they will migrate and move to a better place for the future of birds. So, u look at the existing farms in cambodia, the hotspot area, then u enlarge the focusing area...and look potential area that u think bird's will migrate to...then u have a very good chances of hitting the right place ( the silver plate). And if you so lucky to find a place that u think...arr...this place is far better place to stay for the birds and why it all stay there? ...then u have a very good chances of hitting the gold mine....  or, if u don't liked to do that. Just do liked me when i first started, saw few birds flying...wah!!!!!...got birds woh....do loh!!!... so, ends up i stuck here loh....tui............ the end. The prices of bird's nest will shot up to RM2.8k, hold it if u can hold. makes full sense and i will definitely remember that...currently from what i read from a local magazine, there's one concentrated place where there is an estimated 200+ BHs already. i will probably pay a visit to that place and gather more info. my current strategy is not to go to the BH flooded place... as u said.. enlarge the focusing area and look at potential area and get myself a gold plate... provided i make enough research on the area im trying to venture into and setup my BH. may i ask a silly question? say for example i came to a new place, located along the riverside, weather not too hot, average humidity (bird loves high or low humidity arr??), lots of food sources around ie small forest, river bank... in order to kickstart my research and venture deeper into BH, can i start by building a single storey small scale testing BH? purpose to test on the population of birds and whether the place is favorable for them to generate my gold mine  if result turns out to be very good... only i start up with a proper 2-3 storey BH again... this is to prevent me from suffering unnecessary losses by starting up small first.. just in case the birds doesnt thinks like i do... i like the place, the bird does not  This post has been edited by icecolddamncold: Mar 1 2012, 10:55 AM |
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Mar 2 2012, 11:03 AM
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QUOTE(tuckfook @ Mar 1 2012, 12:53 PM) WW, of course there are still tons of unprocessed EBN in China. Cambodia is not as bad as what u think now la lol especially the dodging of bullet and landmine It is just that the Chinese Government has put a blanket ban on all raw EBN, even the returning tourist are not allowed to bring any in, whether from Malaysia, HK or anywhere else. On the other hand, China will allow the importation of processed, ready to consume EBN products. Companies like Eu Yan Sang will benefit. These products have to be certified by the exporting countries, which is standard practise for food items. What I'm saying is that this will allow all certified manufacturers of foodstuffs in Malaysia to export ready prepared, ready to eat, EBN products. There are very many such companies in Malaysia with the proper certification. With this in mind, it makes no difference whether the raw EBN is in whatever shape or size. There are machines capable of cleaning very dirty nests, though with greater loss, but in the finished product, ie the EBN concoction, the cleanliness, size or colour of the raw nest will be indistinguishable. So, all nests will be useable. You may note that there are buyers for dirty nests at about $500/kg. with about 50% loss or sometimes more after cleaning, that will translate to about $1k + per kg of equivalent cleaner nests. There are already several manufacturers already making EBN concoction from these cheaper nests. Of course the cleaner the nest the less the loss in cleaning. .......................... I would love to invest in Thailand, pretty ladies and lovely food but foreigners are not allowed to own land. As for Cambodia, the risks are too high. I would have to join the local Mafia for protection and dodge the occasional bullet and landmine ; ) dont need hire mafia... just partner and have some connection with some big shot general here would be more than sufficient even the biggest mafia are afraid of the generals here... |
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Mar 2 2012, 12:17 PM
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QUOTE(coolandy @ Mar 2 2012, 11:23 AM) When I visited Siem Reap, I saw swiftlets in some parts of town. It was very hot and Siem Reap is quite far up north, yet the birds are there. lol yes i tried the duress sound test to lure the swiftlets when i was in angkor wat and within minutes i saw more than 20-30 flocking on top of me Anyone from Siem Reap reading this? by the way siem reap is a very nice and peaceful place at least for us human to stay.. wonder whether will it be the same for birds  |
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Mar 5 2012, 10:28 AM
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QUOTE(West Wing @ Mar 3 2012, 12:13 PM) Continue my story, the problem now maybe that the Godfathers of the the trade are telling we Malaysian to toe the line and that EBN Buz was their and will be their's for years to come. is it really that freaking bad running BH here?? They are not going to let a small country like Malaysia to spoil their Billions dollars trade just because we have the exclusive right.... the Govt. Depts won't either cos their main income will disappear with legalized nests. So, even our govt. didn't really do much to help us and before we all go bankrupt, let us all allow the old way to remain and maybe, the price will go up due to the sympathy and token given by the big brothers. Their connection with the govt. departments are above us and we think that Malaysian Depts. are the only C govt. in the world. Infact, the whole world, countries are all Cs except in % only obviously with the lesson learn from chinese who invented the C.......and I am sure that Singapore will never take credit for this as they did with even Bak Kut Tea.... and Low San. The Big guys allow us to process the nest for export as these aren't their cup of tea; the Big Brothers are only interested in unprocessed nest esp. big Super white nests which may fetch as high as RM30K in China so we shall let the old way be; no nest shall be exported to China legally. Again, "Li tai So kon ku" only and in English is Lee talk Cock!!! Added on March 3, 2012, 12:21 pm Just a joke, never build one at Angkor Wat even if you are sure of 100% success cos the Cambodia General want 50% and the Thailand General take the other 50%; in the end, you get 100% SHIT! any source to that fact?? |
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