Last month a senior player said it will take at least three years to recover....after cny, we will know if it really take 3 or more years to recover....cross fingers n toes...

We are facing bleak future with more competitors joining in from Vietnam n Cambodia n we face both opposition n leading govt still thinking that by letting us continue to keep birds in shops is no no...n we have opportunists still want to monopoly the whole market....guess we are really deep throut in deep shits as always..never seen such bad scenario ever...it's been what? 10 months??

The trend now most only dare to buy nests that still have some feather on it instead of buying pure white featherless nests as it means to them the nests are original n they don't mind picking the feathers before cooking...that's tell u exactly how consumers are thinking abt bn.



This post has been edited by ChanK: Jun 8 2012, 05:18 PM

Not only it is quiet here,china too. Heard big buyer stop buying for this month..maybe too much stock qua.

Drop by kl,the back do shaw cineplex tomorrow around 10:30am, a press conference organise by yu yan sang to highlight bn issue...show some support lah...exact location can call ur local bn association as I heard many are coming frm Kuantan,kedai,Penang,.......

This is agricultural industry, when supply exceed demand, it means u going get price squeeze till u see ur mama in front also cannot recognise her.

They are a lot of farmers suffering silently.......holding on their anger toward officers n govt.....which is not really good for our pm......

They don't really realise how many actually affected by it........

200kg sold for 1.3 ....sure cry liked baby...

My friend sold it at 1......don't even know how to cry.....just numb....n felt the pain till today.....

Many pioneers are helping to hold their stocks n this help to prevent total collapse of bn....cross fingers Chinese will start to buy bn as gifts during fullmoon festival....

Try to ask for quotation but none yet interested to buy any.

1k prices for corner n heavy feather nests...

Anyone sold any nests yet? The prices?

Three weeks ago, it is rm2.1k rm1.8k, rm1.5k, rm1.2k.

One week later, the same buyer offer the same minus rm300 each.

Last week, ask again...keep it...not buying yet.

Guess have to wait one more month...

True, they will quote u different prices depends on their stock now desperate u are.

I myself never sell any of my ab nest below 2k, I just wait...

We cannot just show/tell the best prices here...this will cause wrong signal send out to officers n govt n think that we are ok what...

Look at those knowledgeable RFID suggestions n recommendAtion...u know how much they knew abt this trade.

We knew the best price is rm1.8k at the moment, but that is for the cup nest...how abt the rest which easily contribute 40% of total nests u harvest n this figures is for established farms..others will have higher %...

Dt make the same mistake again n only show the best scenario to them else they think we are super rich cow that they can milk...the reality...not many....

Reliable info this morning, Vietnam now facing shortage of bn...

Indonesia already exporting bn directly to china this month......

Middle guys fr Indonesia are pressing our prices as we are unable to export to china......

Hopefully next month see some lights.....

Don't like tht lah..so fast cut steam..at least let me happy for one day lah ... ..

1250 lump sum very good price already.

My friend Kena lagi trek...corner nest buyer also said it is not corner nest...knn...got two types of corner arr..pui...
He got no choice as bank account Sudah habis Kena topup else Tungus lelong meh...

He only sell abt 6kilos of it but luckily keep full cup n wait fr rm1.8k goes back up to rm2.1....so not so chum loh....


Kohloh,
Really one fella can Macau the whole industry? Why no one boikot him...maybe we can organise a peaceful gathering in his office?

There is nothing much we can do except wait. If cannot tahan sell some to cover ur living expenses. For sure it will takes time for the market to recover,just liked bubble tea n Taiwan foods, it takes one year to recover n now..u go n see the lines of waiting in chatime...

Of course, it will not recover back to normal soon as it is not necessity n bn not consume by youngsters n mainly elders......gd luk n go into save more mode or get out n search for new income sources....

Hehe....kohloh talk talk still leak something out too... At least all of us can sleep a little bit well with his news...but though the road to half recovery is still long way to go...at least still got chances of recovery...

Cn not stupid one...this industry can support a lot of their own citizens....not like here, all just want a share....u die u die lah...

If cn allow raw to send to cn...thousands of jobs are created there..

The whole episode is due to some ppls voiced out red nests publicly...n worst still in Chinese newspapers...betul betul gila...Chinese easily find the news fr google...till now if u want to read about red nests info....the first to come out will be fr local Chinese newspaper here....crazy..what the Chinese will think of??? Malaysian pun tak Makan baru hangar ke cn....die or not...u can google n see who is the one that voiced the most...

Only thing we can do, wait le...

Malaysia boleh mah....see,Malaysian open bn processing park in fatt chau,selling bn in Taobao, see how much they sell....

http://eyiji.taobao.com/

...process in c n, chop, bungus each pc...

Summary to all bullshits that crippled the whole bn market in mal.

Cn only ask less than 30 to accept bn. That's it.

But our part add in additional things - RFID ( one unit cost rm6888 onwards, one chip rm1, one box rm200,appointment for officers to follow to harvest n all cost bear by farmers such as transport expenses depending on location, ot if applicable such as weekend., n the list goes on....)

Oli allow cleaned nests export...


And this is use by buyers to push our prices low....u dt want to know the price they offer now....

In sum, deep shit.

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Added on June 30, 2012, 12:27 pmCongratulation to our

Selangor birds nest association president, MAH, on his own new opening RFID system bird nests processing plant today.

Wish him wealth, prosperity, plenty of it with his pioneer plant tht will grow to become one of the only few leading processors in Malaysia.

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Added on June 30, 2012, 3:14 pm




The One n only RFID Followed Processing Plant in Selangor, and own by the President of Selangor Bird's NEst Association n claimed to be the Biggest Bird's NEst Association in Malaysia with the most members.



I believed with this state of the art Processing plant, it is no doubt that this plant will be the 9th or 10th Special Aproved Plant in Malaysia.









This post has been edited by ChanK: Jun 30 2012, 03:16 PM

It means u are on ur own.

Join the up coming protests to protect ur own future.

Spread the news out, many still blur..

Help out to get signatures if there is a memorandum tht will be submitted to the PM....such as family members of farmers,as long as they are affected by it...ur wife, ur parents, ur childrens.

I think the organiser will needs lots of signatures to show to the PM how many actually affected by it. I heard they are drafting it n will be ready in a week or so. What

We can do is, start spreading out this info n make sure all farmers are aware of it n willing to join in the protest and helped to get signatures fr all affected.

THIS IS OUR ONLY HOPE.....

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Added on July 2, 2012, 9:34 am　
Comments about RFID usage in bird's nest by Guangzhou officers, they too said tht this method is inefficient, not suitable, too expensive. Besides, info tht is most needed in identification for the bn is not where the nests are harvested and from which farms but they want they only the processing factory name, address, manufacturing standard,processing standard,any preservative added.


穗食协：电子标签的标识重点是燕窝加工厂商信息
http://news.gd.sina.com.cn 2012年05月27...1 新浪广东

　近日，马来西亚宣布出口燕窝推行电子标签制度，推出可追踪燕窝来源的“无线射频识别系统(RFID)”，以确保出口燕窝品质。该追踪系统将在燕窝采集、运输、进口、加工、包装、配送及销售各个环节做出记录，届时只需输入相关编号，便可在网络追查相关信息。
　　对此，广州食品行业协会副会长兼燕窝专业委员会主任、中国大马忆记燕窝产业联盟执行主席徐兵认为，马来西亚的RFID电子标签仅用在每一盒干燕窝上面，打开之后每盏都价值几百元的干燕窝仍然是散装的，还是无法保障中国消费者和燕窝商家，向马来西亚上游供应商溯源问责及索赔维权，RFID电子标签的应用成本很高，不可能广泛应用在中国的终端燕窝市场。此外，最关键的是电子标签所包含信息的重点，不是燕屋采摘的追踪信息，而是燕窝清洗加工环节的生产商信息，如加工厂名、厂址、食品加工资质、干燕窝加工标准、添加剂使用情况等，必须符合我国《进出口预包装食品标签检验监督管理规定》的要求。
　　徐兵说，“大马忆记”品牌燕窝在中国市场已经成功运行3年多的干燕窝单盏定型包装和二维码电子标签(又称二维码“燕窝身份证”)，才是切实保障每一克干燕窝质量可溯源问责和恢复燕窝消费信心的最可行方法。马来西亚的RFID电子标签可在出口毛燕窝原料定量定型包装上发挥作用。直接出口毛燕窝原料，在中国的QS食品工厂清洗加工干燕窝产品，才是有效解决马来西亚燕窝出口问题的最实际方案。
　　一、什么是干燕窝产品的电子标签？
　　市场上流通的干燕窝产品，是经过清洗加工后的食品，没有单盏或定量定型包装和食品标签的散装干燕窝则是“三无”产品。因此，干燕窝产品必须采用定型包装，并贴上食品标签才能进入市场销售。而常规食品标签的尺寸太大，无法贴到干燕窝产品的定型包装上，所以，采用二维码作为电子标签。简单说，干燕窝产品的电子标签就是二维码，因为二维码是全球唯一的编码，即一个二维码对应一个产品，所以，干燕窝产品的电子标签又被称为二维码“燕窝身份证”。
　　二、电子标签里包括了干燕窝产品的哪些信息？
　　干燕窝产品电子标签中标识的内容，必须符合《进出口预包装食品标签检验监督管理规定》或《预包装食品标签通则》的规定。应包括中国入境动植物检验检疫批次合格证明文件编号，干燕窝清洗加工厂商的食品加工资质、企业标准、厂名、厂址，干燕窝净含量、添加剂使用情况等干燕窝产品质量保障信息，是燕窝消费者、燕窝零售商、监管燕窝市场的政府有关部门，向干燕窝清洗加工厂商追踪溯源，追究法律责任的法定信息。
　　三、干燕窝产品电子标签的作用？
　　一是满足消费者对干燕窝产品质量信息的知情权，以便对干燕窝产品的真实性价比做出准确判断；二是有利于政府有关部门向燕窝加工厂商追究法律责任，切实维护燕窝消费者、燕窝零售商的合法权益和市场秩序；三是便于干燕窝产品质量的辩真防伪，从识别方法上解决化学药剂加工的有毒干燕窝、假冒伪劣干燕窝、掺杂欺秤干燕窝的识别难题。
　　四、为什么采用二维码而不是RFID作为干燕窝电子标签？
　　二维码和RFID都是物联网的核心应用技术，但是二维码更适合作为干燕窝产品的电子标签在终端市场应用。一是标签成本低，二维码双层纸质标签的印刷成本远远低过RFID芯片标签的制作成本，采用二维码电子标签无需提高干燕窝产品的销售价格；二是免费识别，广州食品行业协会燕窝专业委员会指定的“真知码”技术提供方为消费者、零售商提供识别软件的免费下载和使用服务，无需配备价格不菲的RFID电子标签的专用识别设备；三是简单方便，只需通过手机摄像头对准二维码一拍，便可快速、准确地读取干燕窝产品加工厂商的厂名、厂址、资质、标准等质量保障信息。此外，“真知码”技术提供方已经开发了几乎涵盖所有品牌和型号的手机应用，确保95%以上的中国移动、中国联通、中国电信的手机用户都可以免费下载安装使用，这是与仅一二款手机才能识别的RFID电子标签的最大区别。据称，国内大马忆记品牌早在2009年就采用二维码“燕窝身份证”，确保干燕窝产品的质量责任“零争议”，并切实做到了每一克燕窝均来源可查、去向可追、责任可究。手机编辑“真知码”发送到12114，免费下载安装“真知码”识别软件，对着干燕窝产品定型包装上的二维码“拍照”，即可快速、准确的了解每一克干燕窝产品的质量保障信息。



广州食品行业协会燕窝专业委员会地址：广州市林和西路1号/广州国际贸易中心3012室 邮编：510620 电话：020-38299456 传真：020-38299457

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Added on July 2, 2012, 10:10 amFrom Guangzhou news, they have rejected the use of RFID and are using QR code.

Question is why we still want to push for RFID??????

Question is why we don't use QR code tht u can even use open source code n u no need to pay a dime for it.

Question is why when the Chinese govt already said tht they only want the processing plant name n address included in,why we push to track from farms and ask all farmers to pay for thousands for the equipment.....

This post has been edited by ChanK: Jul 2 2012, 10:10 AM

Prices do drop but buyers are starting to replenish stocks after full moon festivals..fr buyers we heard the sales do drop but ppls still buying but they asked a lot before buying n only buy from known suppliers. But we are not liked last time where supply is cannot catch up with demand...it used to 50% supply ...

And demand for lower grade bn is more than full cup..if short of money to pay loan,maybe can sell corner or half cup first n keep full cup.


That's fr my limited info.

But things will start to get worst just like kohloh said if we let all bullshits to materialise....do ur part,don't wait for someone else to do ...we are all alone. If u wait for someone n someone wait for somebody....n tht somebody have other thinking n goals....


The Guangzhou news fr food industry association of Guangzhou. Guangzhou govt asked them to come out with suggestion on bird nests.

This post has been edited by ChanK: Jul 2 2012, 09:51 PM

Control the nests to better quality will fetch u a better price...maybe extra 50 ringgits...tht s a lot of money to ordinary farmers liked me....enough to pay a week of petrol....as nowadays....don't even dare to go far or even go out as when look at pocket....can't even find a 50 notes..

Those tht have special permit to export to china gain the most as they can buy bird nests from us at low prices now n sell at the same price in china.

Imagine they buy rm1.500 a kilo n sell at rm12,000 a kilo....they makes millions from just selling few hundreds kilo....that's the figure fr one of the leader of this industry...envy him......

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Added on July 3, 2012, 8:42 pmTrust me we will suffer from now on if we don't do anything ...

Need to spread out news of memorandum to pm....so tht we can gather all farmers signatures in few weeks time...any cares to do some volunteer works to approach farmers n explain the memorandum to them n gather signatures from all those tht affected by bn industry. This activity have advisers fr leading trade associations....

I will sign it n will encourage all my farmer friends to do the same..

Remember that's our only hope now....before we go to the extreme peacefully to protests......make sure call us when the organiser do decide to protest.

I hope lowyatt forumers will support it too....

This post has been edited by ChanK: Jul 3 2012, 08:42 PM

Hahaha.....cannot advertise here one....tak laku....sini semua orang miskin...

Ada bola lagi...tak Ada bullet Liao....

Kns...I very low estimate already one...Malaysia Lang sell rmb16,000 per half kilo for corner nests in hangzhou....12k Sudah low Liao....

http://detail.tmall.com/item.htm?id=900880...6_4z6_895734590

Cn govt officers market....Kua latt loh......haut lah...

This post has been edited by ChanK: Jul 3 2012, 10:23 PM

Anyone heard tht our govt already inked with china govt n it is final?...

In tht case. Memorandum also no used lah....just wait for schedule to hang only....or. O need schedule.....jump faster....


Also heard protests are on set to jump start wor.....

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Added on July 5, 2012, 4:24 pmFrom recent demand of raw...I think they did well during full moon festival....n now accumulating for cny...

Liked kohloh said they need to sell high to cover rental, workers, bayar kopitiam, bayar taxes, n etc etc...of course we inderstand...china rental extremely high...but pushing the prices of raw n now control or monopoly the raw market to keep it low is just way too much loh...buying raw 1500 sell 12,000.....

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Added on July 5, 2012, 5:01 pmA forumer just send me the upcoming rally objectives :

Rally to expedite EBN Export to china WHEN??

1) Bird House NO RFID
2) Against anyone monopoly for any EBN industries.
3) To meet minimum China's protocol import requirement.
4) To simplify the application and regulation on bird nest cleaning plant for china market.
5) To simplify the application and regulation on bird nest exporter for china market

Rally Date : 21 July 2012. venue near KL waiting for police permit approval.

Is this real??

This post has been edited by ChanK: Jul 5 2012, 05:01 PM

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Please help spread this appeal to all concerned to step forward to support to save the Malaysia Bird's Nest Industry before it is totally destroyed by people in power and cronies with evil agenda to monopolize the trade affecting livelihood of no less than 5 million people in Malaysia today. Advise them standing by to bring along whole family and those directly or indirectly in one way or another to go and attend and support any protest/rally/signature campaigns with similar objective regardless organized by any group. We are all in the same capsizing boat. It is now or never. UNITY IS STRENGTH. If succeed, all survive, if fail, all of us shall die a painful and slow dead. It is above all POLITICAL PARTIES. WE ARE MERELY ASKING THE GOVT TO DISCARD IMMEDIATELY ALL INTENDED BUREAUCRATIC PROCEDURES AND RED TAPES TO SQUEEZE THIS INDUSTRY TO BENEFIT ONLY FEW TO MONOPOLIZE THE INDUSTRY. WE ARE ASKING THE GOVT TO RETURN US THE TOTAL FREEDOM OF TRADE WITH ONLY SIMPLE AND FRIENDLY MINIMAL REQUIREMENTS LIKE BEFORE TO ALLOW ALL TO SURVIVE. THIS IS NO ROCKET SCIENCE. THIS IS ONLY THE SIMPLEST AGRICULTURAL PRACTICE EVEN AN UNSKILLED AND ILLITERATE KAMPONG FOLK CAN BE EXPERT OVERNIGHT. THIS IS GOD-SENT GOOSE-LET TO THE PEOPLE OF MALAYSIA TO BE SHARED BY ALL. SO, PLEASE DON'T KILL IT AND DON'T KILL US! BEFORE WE DIE, THOSE RESPONSIBLE SHALL DIE FIRST.ARE WE ASKING TOO MUCH?

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This post has been edited by ChanK: Jul 5 2012, 08:10 PM