Sorry I am not involved in organisation just relaying the messages.

Yes I agree that the more the better but I believe the organisers are afraid they will not be able to handle the situation. There is nothing stopping individuals from attending by themselves.

All state associations have been informed, so I was told. Call your respective association heads for more details on coaches and other travel arrangements.

Phone numbers for most associations have been given in last few postings.

The heads that you elected are looking after their own pockets first. They likely 'anticipated' or engineered the situation but has now gone out of control.

The reason they are now making noise is the falling price of EBN which is affecting them big time as they are the big timers who stocked up as the prices dropped, hoping to monopolize big time.

Some caused the price drop to be able to stock up in a big way and wait for prices to rise again after awhile. Never anticipated the 'awhile' became over a year.

Now if prices rise again, these big timers may stand to recover loses or even profit big time.

For us small timers, where do we go, left also wrong, right also wrong where to turn to?

No monopoly.

No 30ppm nitrite, use WHO standards.

No restrictions on export except on govt. levies,

and we will be on the way to recovery.

With No restrictions, no monopolies, the big timers will have to sell at market prices, us small timers sell our stock to the world at current prices and eventually the big timers will also have to sell at the lower prices...............until the current stock is depleted and then the farmers will increase prices according to supply and demand not some big timer stocking and controlling the market.

Just my 2 sen worth on world EBN economy.

There will be a gathering to appeal at Gerakan office, Prai, tomorrow.

Meet at Bukit Tengah nr Juru, well known Kway Teow Thng, just off the main road, East of and parallel to the old highway, junction with road leading to BM from Auto City, opposite Auto City at 9.30am before proceeding to Gerakan office nearby.

Everyone is welcome.

This is organized by David Lim and supporters.

This post has been edited by tuckfook: Jul 16 2012, 05:28 PM

洪先生0189571289或 David Lim0124850778

M’SIA SWIFTLET BREEDERS ASSOCIATION will be organizing a ONE MALAYSIAN above political parties and races peaceful MALAYSIA RESCUE SWIFTLET BREEDERS SIGNATURE CAMPAIGN & ASSEMBLY held on 29th July @ 1 pm in SAFIRA COUNTRY CLUB, Butterworth, nearby SUNWAY and directly opposite Penang Bird’s Park.

Attached are the proposed RESOLUTIONs which will be passed in the 729 ASSEMBLY. Please feel free to print out as handbills to be distributed or to be posted up in the websites.

For your latest info, reliable source confirmed that, due to mounting pressure and appeal from the M'SIA BREEDERS ASSOCIATION's firm and without compromise stand to organize the ASSEMBLY as scheduled, the CABINET is finally on the toes doing something positive now, hopefully.

Do not be surprised that what the breeders are insisting legitimately would become reality soon. But as long as it is not in black & white and official, we shall continue to launch more protests and awareness wave after wave till all our legitimate demands met.

Nonetheless, there are quarters with reasons known to them trying hard to sabotage by spreading rumours and discouraging breeders to attend this assembly.

Please invite as many as possible to support. Those who wish to say something to the floor would be given opportunity. Those who wish to join us in the Association are gladly welcome. Please be aware, we are all in the same boat and this boat belongs to the genuine breeders of M'SIA. It is truly an ASSOCIATION and not ASSOCIATION SDN BHD in disguise and tool for some unscrupulous political bugs and cronies. It does not belong to any individual with hidden agenda. No one can dictate us as we are truly democratic as much as we could. We shall fight these greedy evils at all cost till victory and let them taste their own shit.

Not only your positive comments and suggestions we need, but also we need your physical participation, help and financial support in any way to enable us to continuously to fend the rights of the breeders and those in the industry from future abuses.

Regards,
David Lim 012-4850778
Advisor To M’sia Swiftlet Breeders Association

大马燕农公会将在7月29日下午1时在北海SUNWAY付近和飞禽公园正对面的SAFIRA COUNTRY CLUB以一个大马人，超越政党和种族，举办和平救我燕农签名抗议大集会。

以上付件是大马燕农公会将在729集会提出和通过的提案。请把它印成传单派出去或转去其他网站共享。

最新可靠消息，由於大马燕农公会的绝不向恶势力，滥权，利诱和威胁妥协的坚强鲜明立场，经已迫使内阁深切关注而马不停蹄开始积极纠正错误了。相信很快有好消息了。然燕农公会在没确实见到黑白和正式公函肯定所有我们所诉求合法和合理基本要求彻底解决前，燕农绝不罢休将继续一波接一波全国各地发动抗议与醒觉集会。

然而，却有人和团体在大力散播谣言和阻止外地燕农来参与义举！

请尽力通知和邀请其他燕农和受影响者来支持 。我们也将尽量给机会其他有意在集会上吐心声。我们也无任欢迎有诚意和愿意献身或协助的人士来一起领导捍卫。不要忘记，全体燕农都是坐在同一艘船上，这艘船是属於全国燕农的。这是一个真正民主的公会。它绝不是冒牌公会有限公司或政治虫的工具。没有一个有不良意呈的敢企图误导或骑却我们，因我们将全力反抗到底确保他自食其果。

我们也接受善意批评和建议。除此之外，我们更需你的参与，协助和财务上的支持让我们能继续不断和长期捍卫燕农今后的权益。


马来西亚燕农公会顾问
林大伟敬约
012-4850778


PERSATUAN
PENTERNAK
BURUNG
WALIT
MALAYSIA
MALAYSIA SWIFTLET BREEDERS ASSOCIATION
马来西亚燕农公会

主题: 救我燕农签名抗议大集会
TITLE: SELAMATKAN PENTERNAK BURUNG WALIT
MALAYSIA.
MALAYSIA RESCUE SWIFTLET BREEDERS ASSEMBLY
口号: 救我燕农，保经济！政府政策，要透明！
SLOGAN: RESCUE FARMERS, ENSURE ECONOMY
STABILITY.

建议提案:

1. 即刻全面取消从燕屋至出口安装RFID。
2. 即刻全面取消所有有关燕业出口的繁文褥节、不利措施及苛刻条规，
还我简易程序 (卫生检疫证，原产地证及出口证) 。
3. 即刻开放各类燕窝包括毛燕出口。
4. 维护燕业贸易自由，拒绝垄断。
5. 要求政府部门作出任何有关燕业的决策之前，务必咨询马来西亚燕农公
会。

PROPOSED RESOLUTIONS:

1. TO ABOLISH APPLICATION OF RFID FROM BIRD’S NEST
HOUSE TILL EXPORT.
2. TO ABOLISH & NULLIFY IMMEDIATELY ALL BUREAUCRATIC
MEASURES & STRINGENT RULINGS & TO REVERSE TO
PREVIOUS SIMPLE & FRIENDLY PROCEDURES OF ONLY HEALTH
CERTIFICATE, CERTIFICATE OF ORIGIN & EXPORT PERMIT.
3. TO DEMAND THE IMMEDIATE OPEN UP FOR EXPORT OF ALL
TYPES OF BIRD’S NEST PRODUCTS ESPECIALLY THE RAW UN-
CLEANED NESTS.
4. TO INSIST ON TOTAL FREEDOM OF TRADE AND NO
MONOPOLY.
5. THAT THE BREEDERS ASSOCIATION BE CONSULTED
AS THE RIGHTFUL AUTHORITY & REPRESENTATIVE OF THE
TRADE BY ALL GOVERNMENT AGENCIES CONCERNED BEFORE

ANY DECISION ON MATTERS RELATING TO THE BIRD’S NEST
INDUSTRY MADE.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/351312154899363/


If you have FB account, login to see this group.

This post has been edited by tuckfook: Jul 27 2012, 12:56 PM

Welcome home. Maybe Chinese swimmer has EBN regularly which explains for her phenomenal swim.

Penang missed much support from EBN house owners from the East Coast. Maybe you can organise another rally in the East coast.

Indonesia will always want to use Malaysia as an outlet because of the Import duties. Quote HKTDC "In China import duty for HS 04100010 birds nest is levied at 25% plus VAT 17% ad valorum (on value basis, not on weight basis) for import from most favoured nations."

Also Malaysia will get blamed for high nitrite, adulterated EBN, Red EBN etc. when EBN from Indon is re exported through Malaysia. A very clever move by some greedy Malaysians



This post has been edited by tuckfook: Aug 2 2012, 04:07 PM

Withholding evidence whilst threatening to incriminate someone in return for any desired action is essentially Blackmail.

The informant should produce the evidence immediately otherwise it might backfire.

Changing the sound usually attracts new birds.

7 - 7.30pm is not a good time to guage whether you are calling new birds, as this is also the time when the old birds already living n nesting in the BH are returning. Will be best to check if the new sound is attracting birds at all times before 6pm. (2 hrs before the Azan-sunset)

Returning birds surprised by the new sound will fly out and then fly back in.

It is always fun to watch the returning birds and also spot the owls if they are attacking.

You need CCTV inside the dog kennel or roving room to see if the new sound is getting the birds into the nesting room and whether your roving room is conducive to the birds from they way they fly in and around.

This post has been edited by tuckfook: Aug 6 2012, 04:22 PM

URGENT


To all fellow comrades of Bird's Nest Industry of Malaysia,

The attached file of 33 pages is the drafted PROTOCOL that all of us totally objected and protested against by attending the 721 & 729 PROTEST ASSEMBLY. But today, many associated members of the Federation of Malaysia Bird's Nest Merchants Associations were misled by the several committee with less than 24 hours notice to attend an EMERGENCY MEETING with Datuk Dr Aziz the Ketua Pengarah of Department of Veterinary Service at 2pm 07.08.2012 in Putrajaya. The EXCUSE given was to discuss amending of the PROTOCOL pending to be signed on 20.09.2012.


However, during the meeting, there wasn't any document given and most were shocked to hear Dr Aziz said the meeting is to reaffirm the PROTOCOL agreed and approved many months earlier by the committee of the FEDERATION and that no further amendment allowed. Despite numerous requests made for the copy to be distributed to all attendees, yet Dr Aziz refused except to agree to read out the content. To the dismay and unbelievable of most, this is the exact same copy with all the RFID which we strongly objected and rejected before the assemblies.


We found that we are all being cheated and taken for a ride as Dr Aziz together with several Federation Committee set up a SCAM to lure us to come to sign attendance which would be used by Dr Aziz and the Minister of Agriculture to mislead the CABINET that this PROTOCOL is supported and agreeable by all the representatives attending the meeting to have it passed in CABINET.

Despite our protests and our disagreement on the spot and that we have the recording of the meeting, yet Dr Aziz refused and adjourned the meeting leaving us alone.

By signing and implementing the PROTOCOL on coming 20.09.2012, 95% of all in the industry will be bankrupt, wiped out and become jobless except the few cronies of the Ministers concerned. It is going to be sky breaking down on all of us.

We are very desperate and frustrated and as such, we hereby confirm that we will be publicizing the truth to all in the country and will be preparing to hold continuous waves of PROTEST ASSEMBLIES across the country as from now and as soon as possible.

Measures considered are to appeal to each and everyone affected to either individually or jointly organizing the protests and that all shall give full support, to create more awareness of the MONOPOLY, to either individually or in organized group to investigate into the SCAM and to expose all the culprits responsible behind posted on websites or facebooks and to report to police and or MACC for suspected foul play to cheat to monopolize the industry. Please do not be by-stander. Please help in to help yourself. We need to be united against those greedy and abusive Govt officials and their cronies trying to monopolize to rob us. UNITY IS STRENGTH. TIME FOR MOBILIZATION.

Please help email to all.


致全马燕农同胞，


附件的共33张就是之前我们全体反对和拒绝的所谓提议的协议书。也因为它，我们参加了721和729抗议RFID大集会。但今天很多位来自各州的大马燕商联合会属会代表在接到不超过24小时通知下受到误导赶紧参加了一项由兽医局总监阿兹医生联同联会高层主催在兽医局总部，下午2点举行的紧急会议商讨即将在9月20日欲签的马中燕窝协议书的修改。


然而在会议上，全体数十位代表都没被分发任何文件。后更在阿兹医生宣布今天邀请代表来只是印证通过几个月前已被联合会代表接纳与通过的协议书。当被问及有关是否有弃除RFID时，他默不出声。后众代表要求派副本给每个人，他也不答应和也不应许看。最后才答应读出来。当他读完时，大多代表都直跳起来和不肯相信，因为这份就是跟那份之前包含RFID而令到大家激烈反对和拒绝而后去参加抗议的一模一样完全没改过的。当多位代表强烈要求修改和弃除RFID时，他说已通过的不能再改。


多位出席代表才醒觉今天被骗了，因为阿兹医生将是利用他们今天的出席去误导明天的内阁会议通过，骗说这份协议书已获得全体燕业出席代表的一致通过与支持。
虽然众代表在现场与他争论与辨驳很久，和告诉他一切都已被录下，他还是无动于衷。最后他带着文件自行先离开，留下众代表议论纷纷。


如果在9月20日，农业部真的是以这份协议书与中国签，相信除了那班部长的朋党奸商获益之外，95%的燕业者都将深受打击和影响，很多将面对水深火热，失业和破产。对全体燕业者就是天塌下来。


我们都感到万分气愤和失望。不过也因此，我们将公告天下真相和呼吁所有燕业者从即日起，更需各自积极参于准备以更快速度在全国组织更多的大大小小的各形式自救醒觉抗议集会，此起彼落，连绵不息，巡回主办，一波又一波，形成反腐败，反垄断，救我大马燕业大海啸。
在此也建议，各自组织调查组，分头上网或从其他方面收集有关阴谋背后涉及者的身份和情报或资料。然后在网上或面子书全抖出来，好让其他去把他们揪出来做过街老鼠。


既然政府不能保护和救我们，我们唯有自救。能救我们的猫就是好猫！团结就是力量！开始总动员吧！

请速转发！

THE PROTOCOL

https://docs.google.com/open?id=1qZCOvKFkjp...cRyt3pp35UBX-C0

Organise Rallies in East Malaysia, East Coast States, Johor.

Must make our objections clear and visible.


Each State MUST have it's own organisers and participants, NOT the same group so that we cannot be faulted for being the same small group etc. MAKE THIS AS BIG AS BERSIH 2 & 3

Why so many riddles nowadays, my brain cannot connect.

Dato this Datuk that...in the end, Dato Datuk WHO ? Why no names?

At least "Horse" I understand otherwise there are so many Datos that if I sneeze I'm sure to sneeze on one.

Please clarify or I cannot sleep.

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Added on August 9, 2012, 4:16 pmJust got idea, I'm gonna try make Birds Nest Ice Cream


This post has been edited by tuckfook: Aug 9 2012, 04:16 PM

https://www.facebook.com/groups/190852104363307/

Look there!

I should get paid for this !

Anyway, the best way to maintain a steady temperature is to have double walls of clay type bricks as these store the heat from the daytime and slowly release it throughout the night. Since this was not done initially, it'll be difficult to make such corrections now.

Use a coil 100m. of 25mm Black Poly pipe and 2 large 100+ gals Poly water tanks for storage. The poly pipe is your solar heat collector and the tanks store the hot water. Insulate the tanks with 3" styro foam. Increase the length of poly pipe if you need hotter water.

For a convection type solar water heater, bear in mind hot water rises or otherwise use an electric water pump to circulate the water. Make sure circulation is not on at night.

Use this hot water for your humidifier, set the humidifier to switch on and off via a thermostat.

Another method is to build a moat around the BH. This method is employed by many for BHs around Thailand but it requires a lot of space.

A water pool at the roof of the BH also works but that attracts many other problems with leaks, weight etc.

Please note that in the Indonesian protocol, the raw nest are first treated by 'Pastuerization' ie by treating with high heat, for a few seconds and this effectively lowers the active bacteria to low levels for a few days. Without active bacteria the nitrite level will be lowered.

Pasteurization is similar to how raw products like fresh milk is treated to make it safe for immediate human consumption.

This process is clearly indicated in the Indon protocol and anyone with a basic knowledge on Health and Veterinary science will note. Clearly people like our Ministers, DVS, MoH, and MCA are not working in our interest by ignoring this fact.

Pasal 2
Sarang burung walet yang dapat diekspor ke
Republik Rakyat China hanya sarang burung
walet yang termasuk dalam Pos Tarif/HS
ex. 0410.00.10.00.
Sarang burung walet sebagaimana dimaksud pada
ayat (1) harus memenuhi persyaratan:
telah memenuhi proses seleksi, pencucian,
pembersihan dari kotoran, pemanasan sama atau
lebih dari 7O'C (tduh puluh derajat celcius)
dalam waktu sekurang-kurangnya 3,5 (tiga koma
lima) detik; dan
dibungkus dalam kemasan dan dicantumkan
label yang memuat informasi dalam bahasa
Indonesia, bahasa inggris, dan bahasa China
sekurang-kurangnya mengenai nama dan berat
produk, nomor registrasi dan nama produsen
peternak walet, nama, alamat, nomor registrasi
produsen, persyaratan penyimpanan, tanggal
produksi, nomor kontrol veteriner (NKV) dan
informasi terkait lainnya.

Also very clear that Indon does not need RFID, which indicates that China NEVER set RFID as a requirement, but our Ministers and Associations say the opposite. Indon only offers traceability to the source of the EBN via registered labelling.

There has been no proof given on China's requirements.

So, why the complicated process for Malaysians. Why is Chua junior not standing up for a predominantly chinese Industry.

We all know why mdm Carol from Penang said what she said cos she does what the horse demands.

After 21 months NO nest, you've seriously got to find someone in your area who can help you. Where are you located?

If you are building your own BH and doing it all by yourself or using the same"Experts" you better think again. There is something fundamentally wrong with the approach.

All the fundamental requirements for a successful BH are in this forum. There is NO set style and as such requires keen observation of the surroundings. One method that is successful in one area may not work at all in another area, but the fundamental requirements are similar.

You need someone who is willing to spend time to study your intended BH and immediate area to see if it can be feasible. It takes time, effort and experience to ascertain if the building and area will be good or mediocre. Having said that, even the most experienced sometimes produce 'lemons'.

Good Luck.

WW we are all very discouraged by what has been happening to our rice bowl but we are doing our best to reverse the current trend. Let us hope for if we do not have any hope it will be the end for all of us.

For a few hundred years, EBN has been in great demand and because of the action of a greedy few, consumers have lost confidence but I hope eventually this confidence will return as we learn to control the cheaters, adulterers and the profiteers.

We, to protect our industry must make a concerted effort to stop anyone from adulterating natural EBN. Even if it means reporting the persons to the authorities. We cannot risk another incident. There will always be cheaters but if we show them that we mean business, there will be fewer. I know most of us had been guilty
of turning a blind eye on those making 'Blood' nests and false or adulterated nests for the past years. We got to change.

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Added on October 3, 2012, 6:46 pmYes, observation is the most important aspect in improving your BH.

It is quite well known that joining a new BH to an existing BH by taking down a wall etc. will usually not work.This is because the birds in the old BH have already got the map of the old BH into their heads and the new annexe does not 'exist'. The simplest solution is to have separate in/out holes for each BH. You can keep the knocked down wall but have another dog kennel or well and the birds will think it's a new place. The advantage is that young birds from one house will populate the adjoining house not knowing that it's the same. That has been basic knowledge for sometime now.

For unknown reasons AF are attracted to the calls of the same specie but will not always react in the same way. A good call here might be a bad call elsewhere.They always react when there are changes to the call patterns which is why many people are making constant changes to their calls and also editing new sounds. All these are basically just the same sounds recorded from the birds when they roost. Just mixed and edited over and over again to make it seem different. We need to understand the birds' language but failing that, mixing and editing seems to work wonders.

For any machine to work flawlessly for a long time it has to be simple and strong. The chicken coop humidifier is proven and tested over many many years, simple and built of materials that should last for several years. OTOH the ultrasonic humidifier, in principle is very simple but prone to fast wearing. The crystal surfaces have a fine conductor layer which is corroded by water. The conductor is often made of cheap copper which through electrolysis will not last long. The crystal being quartz glass will fracture when over stressed or the conductor will delaminate. The frequency the crystal is made to vibrate is very high, 20,000 cycles per second or more and made to work in a dense medium like water which in turn causes more stress similarly our tweeters last much longer because it works in the air. Think of the chicken coop humidifier at 1000 rpm or 17 cycles per second and the ultrasonic at over 20000 cycles per second, which will wear out first !

Luck is expertise that others do not understand. Careful and keen observation will go a long long way in eliminating 'Luck'




This post has been edited by tuckfook: Oct 3 2012, 06:46 PM

Insects and Parasites in the BH

There are many insects and parasites, as well as bacteria in any BH and it is these that maintain a balanced mini ecosystem.

On the floor, there are dung beetles that consume the bird shit.

In mid air, there are also many flying insects that are usually hatched from the feces of the birds as the birds often eat insects that are carrying eggs.

There are also other insects like cockroaches that are opportunistic that feed on the remnants of the bird shit.

If one looks carefully, it's like an insect zoo down there, on the floor of your BH.

The birds will naturally carry blood sucking parasites, as do chickens. The greater the population of birds the greater the number of such parasites.

I do not know the life cycle of these parasites but they are natural. An infestation will of course spread to any human entering the BH, similarly with a chicken farm.

There may be a connection between the bird shit on the floor with the hatching of the birds' parasites but no conclusive study has been carried out. In a chicken farm, the birds are sometimes dusted with an insecticide as well as treating the shit on the floor. The similarity in both is that the chickens and swiftlets are both elevated above the shit.

Fendona is a 'Human' safe insecticide as it is approved to be used in areas where food for human consumption is prepared, ie kitchens, restaurants etc. There are many other human safe(by following instructions) insecticides that are by far cheaper. Carbaryl, Sevin is commonly use for this purpose.

Since swiftlets never touch the ground (on purpose) it can be assumed that theses parasites climb up via the walls to infest the birds on the nests, so spraying the walls will kill all the parasites trying to infest theses birds. Continuous regular spraying the floor will destroy the balance as all insects will be killed and this may reduce the 'smell' that the birds are so happy to live with.

If you inspect a nest closely, you'll often see worms/maggots, parasites and eggs on the nests, especially the 2-3 layered nests. These are quite easily removed by first freezing the nests and then blowing them away with compressed air.