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 V4. Swiftlet Keeping Discussions, All About Swiftlet Keeping Industry

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northface
post Feb 26 2012, 09:41 AM

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No bro, ppl want 2500 but middleman offering 2k.

If you pay 2.5k for nests, I think easily can get 100-200kg in no time.
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post Feb 26 2012, 12:35 PM

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QUOTE(maravanz @ Feb 26 2012, 12:02 PM)
Bro can you summarize in english?? Thank cannot read chinese mah...


Added on February 26, 2012, 12:03 pmBro can you summarize in english?? Thank cannot read chinese mah...
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The header of the news article read "Our tourists (China) not allowed to bring bird's nests into country".

They used to be able to bring 1kg nests per person and that's how they smuggle nests from HK to Shenzhen last time. So now it means even harder for BN to get into China, only big players in the game now.... rclxub.gif
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post Feb 27 2012, 12:54 PM

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QUOTE(benchai @ Feb 26 2012, 01:35 PM)
Thank you philoswiflet well said. I fact I think this wake up call will stablished the swiftlets industry as a whole and is benefit both swiftlets farmers and the populations who suffers as a result of in controlled and regulated swiftlets farms.

Fro those who are caught in the cross road I feel very sad but must endure the pain for a better future. Some will shout until they are Bule in the face but pls consider we all must live in harmony with our neighbour they also share the rights to live in a peaceful and healthy environment .

This also opens up opportunities for some to explore so many opportunities and all for a better future.

Please don't cures at me for my comment which is only my personal opinion. Our present predicament is our own making and only myself to blame . I have built my 24 th BHs and in progress my no 25th,26th, and 27th BHs. So I know what I am talking about! Pls be patients things will surely be normal again as the consumers are buying which is important. My friend with 10 processing plants with 1000 wokers was reduced to only 2 working plants told  me that demand is back and have all his 10 plants now back to normal. Surely price wil eventually increase.  biggrin.gif
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Sifu benchai, the only explanation for your friend's plants to be back at capacity is that China demand is back. However from news and from other sifus we know that the BN market in China is pretty dead right now. Has there been a change the last month or so? Anybody visited China lately please enlighten us on the BN market.

By now most of you should realize that China = Kingmaker. Without China's huge demand for bird's nest, the price will definitely stay low. The price will only recover once Chinese ppl start consuming BN again. A lot of Chinese national I asked still have the belief that BN is good and healthy for the body, but do not dare to buy/consume because of all the negative news surrounding this business, ie. red nests made with feces, fake nests, high water content etc. Once they start eating BN again the price will definitely come back up, problem is don't know how long this process would take.
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post Feb 29 2012, 06:02 PM

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icecold, I think Cambodia's weather should be similar to those of peninsular Malaysia's East coast, since Cambodia's shore line is located along the Gulf of Thailand, which is essentially connected to south china sea. It is slightly located northwards so the temp should be cooler.

I think for most ppl, the problem is how to manage your BH in Cambodia, not its weather.
And you're wrong about swiftlets, they are a tropical species therefore they love hot and humid weather, you go somewhere slightly higher like Genting Highlands and you will see zero swiftlets, a lof of grass swiftlets but no EBN-making swiftlets.
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post Mar 12 2012, 07:30 PM

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For those of you old sifus whom have been in this industry for >5 years I don't think this hit you hard because most of you have already make back tons of $$$ from your initial investments.

For someone like me whose BH are around 2-4 yrs, just started getting good harvest then this tragedy happen, investment not yet get back and now basically monthly income is 0.

I know in time this will get better, but it is very likely this will take years and not months to resolve. Until then, have to look for other ways to make $$$!! cry.gif
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post Mar 19 2012, 09:57 AM

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I read before that there are some AF in southern hainan island, although very little. According to ppl the nests so little therefore price very high sell for hundreds of k for a kilo.

http://news.hainan.net/newshtml/2007w6r13/190660f0.htm
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post Mar 19 2012, 05:14 PM

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QUOTE(West Wing @ Mar 19 2012, 04:29 PM)
Those found in China are of the feather type - Maximus  and not Edible-nest Swiftlet (Aerodramus fuciphagus) so there, the people pick the nests out unlike us, we pick up the feather. Their nests consist of more than 90% feathers and only a small percentage edible nests and so, their price is very high consider the danger of climbing up so high to get so little nests.

Oyes! If I am not wrong, India also have the Maximus type of swiftlets and early days, they infact took India's Maximus nests back to China.
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We should export malaysia EBN to hainan sell there locally as hainan EBN for 10x the price. shocking.gif
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post Mar 25 2012, 10:08 AM

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QUOTE(chitchai @ Mar 24 2012, 03:52 PM)
Try this.  Very helpful about BN Nitrate written by some Dr. from Jaho Baru

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=ppm...WpyYCHA&cad=rja

Summary: Birdshit and urine develop Ammonia (NH3).  After that NH3 develop in to NO2 (Nitrite) and After that oxidized into NO3(Nitrate).

Average Nitrate in cleaned raw birdnest from Jaho-Baru is 87.5 ppm.  And 384.7 ppm for uncleaned raw birdnest!  (sigh)

How comes YST birdnest claim their birdnests have only 11 ppm Nitrate?
http://ystnest.blogspot.com/
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A reason why some BH's nest nitrate content so high while others aren't, because some ppl's BH the bird droppings like a feet thick also never clean. I clean my BH once every few months, but some sifus say don't clean at all. rclxub.gif
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post Mar 28 2012, 11:27 PM

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Any sifus here lately send any EBN to HK? My friend wants to buy some just making sure if I fedex it our kastam won't confiscate it or anything.
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post Apr 2 2012, 05:38 PM

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QUOTE(tuckfook @ Apr 2 2012, 02:53 PM)
I recently had some nests processed by a local EBN processor.

The nest came back very damp weighing in at the same as when I sent the raw, dry unprocessed nest, and also full of ants.

After much work getting rid of the ants and drying the nest out, there was a loss of 30% in weight.

The cleaned EBN was tested then for Nitrates and Nitrites and the shocking result was 55ppm nitrates, 270ppm nitrites.

As a control, I had tested a batch of the nests before cleaning and the result was  50ppm nitrates, 47ppm nitrites.

I then put a batch of cleaned nests into boiling water twice and then sent that for testing. The result was 15ppm Nitrates, 33ppm nitrites.

Now, 10 days after the boiling water treatment, I tested the same batch with similar results, no increase of nitrites.
I think I can conclude that the processor did not observe simple hygiene and sterilization procedures. The wet nests returned allowed the bacteria to increase the nitrite levels phenomenally.
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Sifu tf, may I know what lab you send your BN to be analyzed? Must cost lots of $$ analyze so many different times! yawn.gif

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post Apr 3 2012, 12:02 AM

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Has anybody tried to sterilize the BN by exposing them under ultraviolet light for say 30s to 1 min? That should do the trick to stunt bacteria growth hence reducing nitrite lvls.
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post Apr 3 2012, 09:30 PM

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QUOTE(coolandy @ Apr 3 2012, 08:00 PM)
What type of nest rm2k?
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I think should be all lumped together no picking. Just few days ago I bought some for my friend 1.9k lump sum but seems like have 30-40% cup nests so my friend considered lucky.
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post Apr 11 2012, 09:11 PM

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I have this even worse problem just discovered last week. On my agri land BH there are these tiny mice, not the common house mice but very little like hamster size went into my AV room.

Now they chew thru some speaker wire and have to re-wire a lot of speakers. The little bugger don't chew through wires near the amp which is easy to replace. They chew through speaker wire between floors and hard to reach the spot to change!! sad.gif

I was surprised how to go so high, then I was chasing 1 it can actually scale the vertical wire like spider man all the way up to ceiling.
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post Apr 22 2012, 08:38 PM

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QUOTE(coolandy @ Apr 21 2012, 01:27 PM)
I was informed that if ebn is stored in a freezer, the texture will change after thawing. Just like fish balls stored in a freezer, they will be different from the normal ones.

I have never tried it, so input from those with food technology expertise is most welcome.
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The fish balls taste different because you boil it while it is still frozen, if you let it thaw completely only cook then it shouldn't taste any different, maybe even fisher smell because meat has an expiry date biggrin.gif

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post Apr 27 2012, 06:49 PM

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I'm going as well, I hope they don't interrupt the LRT services to impede people from going. But given the ruling party's history, they will probably do all they can to obstruct ppl from getting to Dataran.

Right now federal hwy damn jam, I heard ppl saying there are already roadblocks everywhere. They just doing this to piss ppl off and discourage them from going.
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post Apr 27 2012, 08:25 PM

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I'm disappointed, I called some friends up today asking whether they are interested in joining me, some agreed but MOST of them have the same reply, basically saying "Why go there and take the risk? We don't do need to do these things although I support bersih, let others do it" !

Sometimes I think RPK is so correct, we Malaysians deserve every bit of UMNO. Because so many ppl don't have the balls to stand up against what is wrong. They think they just stay home and the others will fight for justice and equality for them.


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post May 22 2012, 08:16 AM

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QUOTE(bmanz @ May 21 2012, 10:02 PM)
Curse those 3 idiots in the article. Seriously, another 1st in the world, 1st to track BN using RFID! (must be to damn pround!! rclxms.gif )

So these jokers are assuming the contents in the box cannot be switched from beginning until end, which makes the RFID box completely useless. Way to go, an idea that only BN cronies can come up with. Excuse to con the rakyat of their hard earned $$$$.

In this coming election these ppl need to be sent home and never show their faces again. I'm at a loss of words how can such a flawed idea be implemented and being forced down our throats.

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post May 22 2012, 01:49 PM

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Wow what pisses me off more is the fact that the CEO of this company is someone by the name 拿督蔡千根. (Dato Chua 'Thousand Roots')

So his Last name is 'Chua', has a Dato' and he's from Johore and coincidentally he is the CEO of a company that is forcing RFID down the throats of EBN industry players. With the blessing of our government of course!

I don't even need to do any research to know this guy is someone related to the MCA porn star.
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post May 22 2012, 06:38 PM

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Sifu WW, no he's not T.Y. Chua. But happens to be another Chua from Johor that is going to gain the most from this RFID monopoly imposed on us.

Just goto their website to read his profile.
http://yanminggroup.com/%E5%85%B3%E4%BA%8E...88%91%E4%BB%AC/

Can anybody dig anything up on this guy? If he is related to the Chua family in anyway this stands to be a very good excuse to bring them down. (ie. conflict of interest + shady underdealings)


The guy 2nd from left is him.

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post May 23 2012, 12:38 AM

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The more I think about this RFID tracking, the more stupid it is on a gargantuan scale.

Let me introduce Iron Ore RFID tracking. Every Iron ore you mine will be put into a container with RFID tag, after smelting and turning your ores into fresh steel bars they will need to be put back into the same container. This is to ensure if there's any problems with the steel bars we will be able to track back to source, to the exact mine the ores were extracted from.

Sounds absurd isn't it? Just replace Iron Ore with the word BN in the paragraph above. How can you track something like BN? They all look the same except for quality, and for processors they have to process every single RFID box separately so they can be placed back into the original box they came from. Wow, how can someone possible do that if they process hundreds of kilos a month, the answer is NO.


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