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 V4. Swiftlet Keeping Discussions, All About Swiftlet Keeping Industry

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post Feb 26 2013, 11:14 AM

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A friend asked me once why I tried so hard to protest against the decision of the Gmen to ban export of raw EBN as I certainly do have enough to live a happy life without the need of the sales of nests to subsidize my income. Even if the price fall below Rm1K, I still make a good living out of EBN but when we are doing well, we must think of our brothers that in need of extra cash to live and not making fortune now; enough to pay for installments and children's education.

So, I isn't important here but for the fellow raayat in the trade that I am sad and angry. For me or those having successful BHs,
Rm4K or 1K isn't a big thing cos only maybe lesser by Rm50K per month but still have Rm20K/month but what's about those having 1Kg of nests per month? From 4500 to now,Rm1000, how a whole family survive with Rm1K income?

We have the money to wait out the storm but for those poor in trade, another month is another danger after spending all their money on BH ( Sorry, I was also one of those smart Alexs that advice
you to venture into this industry and a promise of prosperity for next 3 generation ) and six months later, there will be no longer possible to return after going to the Along for help.

So, HELP must come now in the form of better price for the EBN.



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post Mar 19 2013, 11:31 AM

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QUOTE(philoswiftlet @ Mar 19 2013, 06:05 AM)
I would say that for the "manufacturers" of the bird nests; they would most probably like to have this situation exist for long period... so as to enjoy low costs for buying raw nests and then selling them for high profits... we just have to take the blows and see how it goes.... it don't seem possible for James prediction of a high jump in prices by the end of the first quarter which will end in 12 days time to come to pass.

This situation seems so endless but as Lincoln used to say during the nightmarish periods during the US Civil war: "And this too shall pass."
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Rightfully quoted "And this too shall pass"……Ishaallah, the sooner the better!!!! but how many brave men need to die before one can see the moon again.

Only if our Gmen allow free export of all EBN now then our suffering shall be lessen and the Gmen and friends can still go ahead with their dream and ambition of making Malaysia No.1 in the industry with our “1Malaysia Best” with “1Malaysia Nests” .

Till today, I See no reason for our Gmen to ban export of unprocessed nest and it is illogical and silly to even quote that because just China doesn’t allow the import of EBN into their country. When the restriction of any other countries have to do with Malaysia. WHAT If China are to ban rubber and palm oil, are we going to ban these commodities from being exported also.

Alas, my homemade Cleaned Nests also cannot be taken out of the country....legally, I mean without all the required documentation and certificates plus packaging as the banner @ airport is concerned.

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post Mar 21 2013, 05:10 PM

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QUOTE(gerald7 @ Mar 19 2013, 12:38 PM)
What are the current conditions for exporting processed (cleaned) nests? Information is so vague...
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Recently, the news about the Gmen sending a formal MCA President to China concerning the export of unprocessed nests
after the Election and all I can say is that "after the Election, I give you the minister post" ..........read that in cantonese cos it sound better....hahaha with tear lah.

After the Election, I will expect worst thing to happen cos after spending so much these few months, raayat will need to pay back by installments but if you are below Rm3K per month, you maybe still OK by then everything will go up and Rm3K may worth less than half, I guess.

I hope election is tomorrow cos it will be less pain now than later as more monies ( billions maybe running into trillion now) will be spend as days go by and more will need to refill the country's coffer after election. This is no politic but true facts and worst for us in this industry as we are earning much lesser and most find it difficult to make ends meet but after election, more pain and sorrow when price of everything go up and EBN remain the same....

My advice is to buy some foreign currencies now if your children are staying oversea to cushion any unforeseen situation if you get my breeze.

OMG! I hope that I am wrong here.
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post Mar 28 2013, 12:09 PM

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someone again asked the same Q again?

How much is the price for EBN? It shall be repeating again and again same Q.

1. I sold some @ Rm1700 few weeks ago but many sold much lesser.
2. What's the market price? Sorry, really no market price, just like our wet market now; today this price, tomorrow another story for as long as there are buyers, price OK and as long as there are ready sellers, price never up.
3. If anyone sell better price, just post it here but any lower, keep it to yourself unless you are buyers lah trying to get good fish at give away price.
4. Hopefully, be honest here as we are all suffering already and don't try to cause panic selling as many have done already and in long term, it's not good for buyers also as end users will also want lower and lower price and buyers at the end may not gain anything at all. With lesser EBN in future market as many BH owners are starting to convert their BH into Rest house which earn much more than BH and most of Hotels @ towns are full and room normally @ Rm50 now double,

You all may hate or even curse me for what I said but at least, I am Honest and Sincere to all.
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post Mar 31 2013, 01:21 PM

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QUOTE(mois @ Mar 17 2013, 01:50 PM)
Look like the raw prices are very hard to recover. Almost every week the price drop. Now mostly average RM1100-RM1200.
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Just to share some knowledge

For your information,

1.Prices vary from place to place depending on quality and demand at the location.

2.For example, price of EBN @ Klang is afew hundred lower than that of Trengganu as the nest @ Trg are whiter and bigger thus demand higher price.

3.So, when selling beware of buyer giving quotes base on other area but remember that the buyers know much better than you do but just want to undervalue your EBN.

4.Also, do remember than at same area, different BH nests may fetch different price due to quality and size.
and many have fallen into buyer's trick by showing proof what he just paid to someone else.

5. Here, many sell EBN @ Rojak meaning all together and buyer will quote what he see include dirt and patahan, too. I rather sell by grouping as I think that that's fair to both party and for those patahan or dirty nests, I can always clean them myself; eat and sell these cleaned nests @ Rm4K plus to neighbors or tourists unaware of the ban of export of EBN, even cleaned nests. Remember that those big and dirty nests are the best when you want to eat unlike those small white ones that tend to dissolve readily when cook abit longer.

. So, teach the locals to buy the big dirty EBN at cheaper price and are much value for money....good to eat and cheap, too.......only stupid CM want white nests and last time fell for the Red, too. I always tell CM to buy at least light brownish nests as these are the original and too white maybe bleached nests.

Now that you have read what I posted, let us know if you disagree as I maybe wrong as I am not the know all...... just wishing to share among the large EBN family.




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post Apr 9 2013, 06:38 PM

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QUOTE(birdnestbuyer @ Apr 9 2013, 12:19 PM)
Hai Mois,

I want to inform you that i had a buyer who willing to pay RM 2,600 per kilogram, mix grade. They are bird nest processor. If you separate A,B and C, they won't buy as if you in processing line, you will know it is not ideal. I sold almost 8 kilogram to them every 2 weeks after gather all my relatives and sell to them. Don't be fool like me, been conned by all people saying RM 1000....1200 or whatsoever, the price indeed had gone up.

Taiwan did not ban bird nest and i have selling to them ever since the crisis. This price are been control by processor and not us. I sold my bird house with a very cheap price and i am so piss now. Sending to China have loophole and i won't reveal here. So for those who think the rice is still RM 1200, you are wrong. Find out how the demand had rise because of so many people refused to sale and also current bird Flu had given a window of opportunity..

MIRACLE IS JUST ANOTHER NAME OF EFFORT......so i urge everyone who have bird nest, try sale at higher price as demand had indeed increase.

Do contact me if you want to sale higher price, maximum 5 kilogram per person and i don't accept A, B or C. Only serious seller please.

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Oyes, that's good and you may PM me the contact as I can get him any amount at any time......but make sure that he bring in CASH and no Chq.

By the way, why maximum 5 Kgs. per person?????


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post Apr 9 2013, 06:47 PM

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QUOTE(Bobby C @ Apr 4 2013, 11:08 AM)
BN in Penang Airport 3-4-13, near Air Asia check in counters.    shakehead.gif  rclxms.gif

Sudah menang tanpa bertanding! Talk is indeed cheap.
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So, we all know what we must do to ensure our future as so far, all said were rubbish and lies. Just listening to them make you feel foolish, don't you??/
Where is the "Promises fulfilled" n maybe our's still pending ............maybe, need another 5 years.
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post Apr 13 2013, 12:38 PM

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QUOTE(kohloh @ Apr 12 2013, 08:07 PM)
If the News is correct, then my warning and prediction long ago come true. I warned that swiftlets shouldn't be hand feed cos we may transmit the disease to the swiftlets which never touch the ground and therefore. will forever be free from any viruses. Secondly, their immunity to diseases may not be there as we are not feeding their normal diets and may even include antibiotic which will be harmful to the swiftlets in future.

We have done it to so many animal include ourself by introducing artificial food for babies and now, only to understand that breast feeding is the best..........so, we should and must leave baby birds to their mothers..

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post Apr 14 2013, 08:28 PM

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QUOTE(Semuabumi @ Apr 14 2013, 11:25 AM)
H5N1 Virus is detected in Vietnam .Indonesia is the first country to have H5N1.
Uncle W.W, Vietnam doesn't practice hand feed. Indonesia started hand feed. That is why China wants Malaysia nests not Indonesia or Vietnam.
If H5N1 comes to Malaysia sure Si Liow! shakehead.gif
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We all know that Malaysia is free from the bird Flu and that even Indo, Thailand and Vietnam are still consider not out of danger from Bird Flu so that's why everybody know that Malaysia and Singapore are the only two Asean countries that allow to export EBN to China until Someone bought the Red nests true picture out in to light.

So far most of the birds that rest or feed from the land may have the deadly bird diseases; may it any Hs and Ns and birds that never touch the soil haven't and shouldn't get the diseases. Now, swiftlets are getting the disease H5N1 and we need not do any research into what cause the disease in swiftlets and my educated guess is that we human created the problem by rearing the swiftlets.

In its natural wild life, only dead swiftlets touch the earth and now, we encounter this deadly disease in swiftlets so this shall be another beginning of sorrow and hardship for the poor innocence swiftlets farmers who did nothing to cause any of these problem but will suffer the full blow.........

Long ago, when a Utube show how they breed swiftlets here, I did protest against such doing and even complained that they shouldn't have keep a chicken farm next to their building that house their swiftlets, chicks and eggs.

Hopefully, that our inhouse breeders of swiiftlets if any is still around, be very careful and ensure that no one or any thing that might have the disease to be near the swiftlets....or else, HABIS LAH KITA SEMUA !!!!!!!

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post Apr 15 2013, 05:03 PM

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captivated breeding of swiftlets should NEVER be the a route to prosperity...

swift4ever, you make it sound so beautifully. TQ
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post Apr 22 2013, 05:52 PM

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QUOTE(tongserseng @ Apr 22 2013, 02:27 PM)
my place all go less than rm 1000, any here have better offer ? can recommend ? rclxub.gif
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Hi,

Last week, buyers phone up and offer Rm1600 for half cups but I asked for Rm1700 and he would like to see the nests first and told me that he would be at my place on Thursday but didn't turn up at my place.

If buyers here can quote Rm1600 for half cup and Rm900 for corner....why youR buyers offer so low, man??????????

Last month, when I sold some to a buyer at Rm1700 for mix of half and round EBN, I wasn't even want to sell off my corners for Rm900 telling him that I would process my own to sell locally @ Rm4K.........

Can sell but slow cos Malaysian don't know about the goodness of birdnests which our Gmen didn't help to educate but acted in the opposite way to cause more hardship to us fellow birdhouse owners. If China Gmen can help theri coconut planters by introduce coconut at Gmen functions why not our Gmen do it at their function, this way, Malaysian can and will learn to drink birdnests.

Really, more than half of Malaysian never tasted birdnest and don't know the goodness of it either......

Our federal Association must help to spread the good news about the goodness of birdnest to Malaysian or to the world and not only allow the bad news about the birdnest in newspaper. Do seminars or exhibitions on EBN with the Chinese Medical Association or any groups associating with the health food.

Maybe, we can go further by approaching the Iman to speak on goodness of birdnest after the Friday prayer as this product is Halal. If the Iman truly understand the goodness of birdnest for Muslim, then he would like to see all muslim becoming healthy and safe.

I have some Malay buying birdnests from me but these are of the low earning types and buying at Rm100 each time but what we want are the rich Malay that can afford the Fs and the Ps cars that cost millions but didn't know that birdnest is good for their health...

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post Apr 22 2013, 06:06 PM

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QUOTE(Bobby C @ Apr 21 2013, 06:10 PM)
What this Chua junior burger try to do?? Playing screw driver like the daddy screwing everyone??  mad.gif

From Penang to KLIA
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You make want to cry cos it remind me of "Et tu, Brute!" because of he so powerful can do all the goodness and kindness to us but prefer to stab us in the back. All I can say is " Et tu, junior Chua" then I UBAH! hahahaha still can laugh...
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QUOTE(tuckfook @ Apr 29 2013, 09:00 AM)
REMINDER.    UBAH for a new head at the Ministry of Agriculture. UBAH for a new assistant head at the MOA.

The previous ones f....d us good and proper.

UBAH all Swiftlet association committee members who were part  of the nefarious plot that has sent us into hell.

Now I feel better  rclxms.gif
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The minister and his assistant must go no matter who become the Gmen so that we can live better and those in the F. Association must be UBAH as he did promised that if he cannot solved the export matter by Dec, he would resign but then he's still there and why...........sad thing is that he is my friend and still is but then he let us down....I got high expectation that he will do us well..

But if BN still rule, we will be in trouble as the news is that most if not all C want UBAH and @ this industry, more than 90% are C and they may want to do worst thing to us if they share the same view as DM who never forget and forgive ...........not politic but facts....remember that I told you that I m born MCA lah...hahahaha
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QUOTE(kohloh @ Apr 30 2013, 06:49 PM)
KL, it is the best utube that I ever saw.........if there are better ones, Kindly let us have it

TQ
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QUOTE(swift4ever @ May 1 2013, 11:09 AM)

On BN export, kudos to our newly appointed Malaysian-China trade ambassador former MCA
head who said he has no interest in BN trade business whatsoever; is merely trying to help the industry.
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For the sake of all BH owners, I hope that He sincerely mean us well and as I said, not all crows are black, there are certainly some white ones,too........hope that he is the white one.

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QUOTE(sgmati @ May 3 2013, 04:28 AM)
Hi all.
I have 1 kg of bn. What will happen if I put all into washing machine and wash?
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you must be kidding cos everyone can imagine what would happen and should happened to your 1kg of nests.

if you are serious, then my suggestion is to place them in a netting bag for just few min. then at least, you still have nest left,






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And so, Election over and we still the same but at least, young Chai will not be D. Minister of Agriculture.

Hope that there is a change in the ministerial posts and someone of better understanding and uncorrupted take over our agriculture post and we may still see the light......I hope that there must be some Chinese in the G'men otherwise, more problems coming in our industry.............
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post May 8 2013, 07:37 PM

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Just sharing and the name out.
One desperate guy forward to me the following and how do you expect me to answer

West Wing,

what job would you be doing in 10 years times?
What types of salary do you think you're with after your diploma? Why?
Any ideas? Sorry for disturbing you, I'm in the big trouble now plus I'm a student only. So seriously need your help thanks.

Someone may want to answer his Qs and for me.......maybe, Q1 to answer and for the rest, I am long past that period.
1. I maybe serving with God.

If he's asking advice on what he should go for then I would advice to take up technical ones instead of hotel management or +++++++ cos I got before many salesmen having such similar degree or diplomas......and don't go building any more BH but try to get approval to export or smuggle out EBN for better profit........Like others, Farmers that grow don't make alot of profit but middlemen do.......so be a EBN middleman and you don't even need a diploma for that.

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QUOTE(swift4ever @ May 8 2013, 03:55 PM)
Sorry folks, wish I can foretold it was a Chinese tsunami and

yet proven mathematically it isn't, read link below,

http://www.malaysiakini.com/letters/229377

Anyhow, I promise to foretell what tsunami it is in

future...LOL
With or without Chinese in the ministerial post, there will not

be a problem if it is truly 1Malaysia...
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Just alittle bit of Politic here......a group of Malays asked me why Chinese voted for opposition, I said that some Chinese are just adding another sail to their boat to speed up what they want.... Don't blame the Chinese for all Malay failure esp. BN!!!!
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QUOTE(adamisme101 @ May 10 2013, 09:10 PM)
Sifus, newbie here humbly seek for some advice..
There are several unit of 3 storey shop houses that have been converted to swiftlet houses and along the same row there are some 2 storey shop houses.

If I were to convert one of the 2 storey shop houses to a swiftlet house, will it be feasible? The population of swiftlets around the area has been thriving but will the swiftlet just stick to the 3 storey shop houses?   

Hope someone here can share their opinion regarding this matter. Thanks in advance smile.gif
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Do you own some of these Shoplots as your above sound so, or do you have a 2 or 3S or both?

If you only have a 2Storey, then you are at a disadvantage compare to the 3 storey shoplots already having birds staying. Even the timing in doing BH now are of disadvantage as the price is low and the birds?????? Chances of success is much lesser than before as no many ppls breed birds so where to get new fledged birds?

When the good is going, everybody want a slice of the cake......MPK, Kesihatan and etc and now, nobody cos we are already almost dying and nobody care.

My opinion to share.

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