The Association should promote the birdnest for such special occasions include birthday celebration but till now............

Birdnest can never make it to Wedding dinner table because the restaurants didn't know how to clean it well to serve. At my son's wedding, we did serve birdnest cleaned by ourself and everybody were very pleased with it but the last time I went to a wedding that serve birdnests done by the restaurant and maybe processed and bought from a shop selling birdnests; I even dare not eat it as there are feathers in it. Maybe, those who normally buy from shops do know that birdnests bought from shops are not 100% cleaned or possible bleached if no feather as they do not provide 100% cleaning services as these really take alot of time and alot of rejects. Remember that the tiny feathers are infact harmless but then what we see, we are afraid and scared.

Maybe, some here may want to sell direct to restaurant with properly 100% pure without any impurity like feather that can be presented at wedding dinner without embarrassing the host of the night.....or don't serve birdnest pure with rock suger where the tiny feathers become so obvious but of parsan plus hongchor where the guests cannot see the tiny feathers in the bowl of birdnest.

If we farmers can successfully penetrate the restaurant industry with our direct selling to them, then we shall consider ourself a little successful in getting another way to market our nests at better profit instead of having being forced to accept so low a price.

With the present of low price and uncertainty of the industry, many new BHs are selling at give away price.

A BH broker just handed me a grant from a BH owner to sell his BH for Rm330,000 and mind you, a 3S BH with 1/4 acre of land. Where to find such bargain cos to build it need at least Rm300,000 and more coming.......

So, newbizs, if you are interested in building one, why not buy one completed BH and all you need is for the weather to clear up. A fair chance because it cannot go down much more but will be able to fly high once all clear; I mean the storm over and you shall make 100% profit or better if the BH increase the nests by a few folds during the time which may take a year, two or three but no more than three cos then I shall also be a goner....maybe.

Last year, I could help to sell this type of BH for double the price but now, all up to the Authorities for God also cannot help us as these are all man doing and only man can solve it.



This post has been edited by West Wing: Dec 13 2012, 01:59 PM

Someone told me that 2 Chinese sent by the Chinese Gmen were here recently to inspect the processing plants and anyone here has the details?

What's unbelievable is that how come no Gmen officials came together? If only the 2 Chinese men who are Guangzhou buyers, then something isn't right as no Gmen will just send businessmen to represent the Gmen without any Gmen officials accompany them or should say that the businessmen accompany the Gmen officials.

And they visited 2 processing plants, one that of Dato Beh and the other, the famous Puchong one and these are according to my information received so someone please provide the true picture if he knows.

SO, brothers here, we must wait much longer cos either our Datos are cheating on us or the Chinese isn't serious about the whole affair, either way, we also die...........and what's about our unprocessed one..... and as I understand the unprocessed EBN are refer to Mao Yen and the processed EBN also consist of Mao, too..........

The Indo and Thai problems, I understand cos they need to solve the Bird Flu and have to have the clearance before they can really export but the Malaysian problems are self inflicted wound if I am right.

What's DL has to say about this????

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Added on December 18, 2012, 3:32 pmGood for you and imagine that you used to get more than RM20K for the 6Kgs. nests.. Sad.

Maybe, now a time to discuss future plan here or how to improve what we have. I sincerely hope that may want to discuss how best to do BH like the better sound in your area, type of planks used or maybe someone here has gone into using aluminum or maybe just concrete beams and found them to be usable. Best topic is how to improve the population of swiftlets in your BH as the price is so low that you really need volume to make enough to survive.

Discussion like this would be good for everyone as they will have alternative ways for solving Bh's problems instead of going to the contractor and need to incur additional cost. There are many untried ways that we haven't experiment like is bare concrete wall better than painted wall or do swiftlets prefer white wall to black wall or what color attract swiftlets or are swiftlets color blind like cow.

IF we share information here, then all will gain cos no one person can know all and those who have tried them shall post them here so that others need not repeat the mistakes again.. saying time, money and effort. Nothing to be selfish about in doing BH as we all gain and we are wiser now unlike before many peers in the trade were so selfish to their knowledge and reluctant to teach. Years ago, many that came to see me to seek information were so surprise that I freely provide all information to them and all they could said was that none of others even want to talk to them about swiftlet farming as if these were secret only can be pass to their relatives and family members only.

Now, everything is open in internet and we only need to check at net but then, sometime info are right and some are wrong and the best place is to share here if you did tried them out.



This post has been edited by West Wing: Dec 18 2012, 03:32 PM

I want to ask Sifu here is the 7ins. Piling quotation below reasonable or not.

1. Mobilisation, installation and demobilisation og piling equipments Rm8,000
2. Setting out of piling points @ Rm8 x124= Rm744
3. 6m starter points @ Rm160x124= Rm19,840
4, 6 m extentiong points @Rm172x124=Rm21,328
5.Handle, transport and pich @Rm10x248=Rm2480
6.Driving of 175mmx175mm r.c piles Rm8x1488= Rm11904
7.Extention joints(bult weld) to piles Rm20x124= Rm2480
8.Cut off piles head Rm28x123= Rm3472
9.PDA test on 1st. Rm1750 if needed
10. PDA test on Subsequence Rm 1200 i

Total Rm68,240, I am surprised and can someone here enlighten me on the above....as I paid only Rm180/pile the last time inclusive of everything and how come the above quote?

This post has been edited by West Wing: Dec 20 2012, 06:30 PM

TQ for the suggestion but still blur blur on the matter but anyway, will seek out the formal piling contractor who did my last BH @ Rm180/pile inclusive of everything provided no return of unused piles....

Bad thing it that the piling contractor was done thru my last contractor who did a lousy jod on my BH........even the tweeters are not fitted correctly as advised............

In this world, good people will suffer and bad people will gain..............but, as I said and wil say it now .......BE HAPPY

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HO HO HO HO HO………..no worry cos Santa Claus is here………HO HO HO HO HO HO

Jingle Bells, Jingle Bells, Jingle all the way……………………………

MERRY CHRISTMAS & A HAPPY NEW YEAR AND MAY YOU ALL HAVE PLENTY INCOMINGS this New Year AND NO OUTGOING
and may the price of EBN be high up like nothing before,,,,,HO HO HO HO HO HO.


Fortune WW says.............This year, all the BH owners will have good health ( as eat alot of EBN) except that don't worry too much on everything because all will be well "Ship reaching harbour will be straight".

This post has been edited by West Wing: Dec 24 2012, 10:44 AM

I really don't know about the situation of processed nests and those Dato Dato are lying cos December is almost over and maybe they were taking about December 2013 lah. My apologies, Dato.

As far as know, the unprocessed nests still underwater into China and that's for sure, otherwise, we won't have buyers here and that's EBN haven't drop to ikan bilis price yet.......

Everybody know how to produce a pure white nest and the only way is to have your babies all wear diapers....otherwise, throw away the eggs and now, you will have a whitest nests. Also, by cleaning and washing your BH weekly and this will help your quality of nests, too.. but you will create unhappy birds..and lesser increment of nests.

Universe? NO NO NO , my friend only the world cos Martian are now selling EBN to China cos we worldly human all cannot export EBN and presently, other planets are selling their nests in China.

If the seminar free, maybe I go but if need to pay, I would pay even at Rm1K provided that I be given 10 minutes to talk at the seminar.

Here, we have been receiving sms on seminars on how to process and clean EBN and on other time, how to export EBN to China......c'mon what and why to learn all these if you are not allow to process or export nests anyway. It's like asking you to learn how to captain a ship where you don't have a ship or rather not allow to have ship.

Give me a seminar on ways or how to talk senses to our Gmen and China or those hard headed guys on the top lah...then, I will participate....or teach us how not to eat for a year and still survive like those crocodiles at the top.......don't eat but once makan, tau berapa banyak lah.

I have been there and surely and obviously, life is peaceful and the same as 20 years ago cos there aren't much development just like in Sarawak when the riches of the land feed only the few.......'

A place you wish to retire but what about the future generation, where will be their destination? Life is slow there and we do live longer and air are fresher but no bright future. All the wealth of the states taken away and only now the question why arises?

I was like them as in all my life, I thought that peace is the most importance thing of all and I just want a continuity of peace and why care of development as long as I make my own fortune. But watching others Asian countries become richer and stronger than us make me wonder if did I make a correct choice all the time. Oyes, we are developing slowly but lagging further behind others which should be the opposite way as we do have everything which others don't have...

Now, we are trying to sell papaya and monkey but infact, we suppose to develop the land in to a paradise that the world can spend billion in our tourism and shopping industries. We can't even sell birdnests as they can't even take out our birdnests and how and what to promote birdnests in a state that it's illegal to take out the primary natural product (Birdnest) produced here.

Hopefully, I am mistaken and that's unprocessed natural EBN can now be legally taken out of the country but if only Sabah and Sarawak, then we all must again protest why favoritism or discrimination are prevail here. If I am wrong, I apologies to all offended by my posting.

Don't believe what you read in paper today; all election vote fishing only. Get it first, then we will know as so many time, someone high or powerful said that we could export EBN and till now, nothing.

Dato told everyone that there isn't any banner disallowing EBN ( All taken down as he said that the ministry make a mistake then) and it still there? Who to believe?????

Like the recent flood victim, newspaper said that all affected can get Rm500 but when those affected went to apply only to be told that only those registered and stay at locations for flood victim can apply. Others who didn't cannot apply even if you stay back to prevent thieves from stealing your properties.

My friend who is a millionaire and his daughter get the Rm500 each as he knew correct way to get it by registering at the location and getting the official form as he is a JKKK while some poor people who didn't know the requirements didn't get.

Most buyers have already stop buying for CNY and only a handful will be buying now as there isn't enough time to process for CNY sales. So, don't be afraid if buyers tell you that there is no quote at present as these is not because of what the Dato said in the paper recently.

Remember that we cannot export EBN for 2 years already and any bad news cannot affect us anymore. So, if you want better quote than today, then you need to wait after CYN and if you are desperate to sell, then sell as even they are not buying, if you offer to them, they will buy.................

If you do get good price for your nests, do PM me on the contact as I, too do have alot of nests, provided of course if the price is reasonable.

Maybe, some cash now is needed as CYN is near and everything going rocket high with EBN which is on reverse gear.....buy your fishes, meat or sea food now or otherwise, you will be paying even much more...and where is the Rm25K grant as advertised in the newspaper and have anyone here got an idea on how to get the money as these extra money may come on handy for CNY....otherwise, dry fish and sotong for CNY..........canned fruits and vegetables, too.

Really, I got many calls from friends asking me about the Rm25K grant and I really know nothing about it and not to mention how to obtain it and if anyone can help them, appreciated................TQ

Must be the same person selling RFID as he do and still have alot of unsold RFID. I believe and the sms maybe his doing, too. Stupid to believe that by installing RFID, one will get better price as China still do not allow export of nests into the country.....so, what to do with RFID. The only possibility is that by installing RFID, God may hear you and give you 4D number..

Maybe big white nests will get you better price as these are higher priced in China and at least 3X the normal type of nests. As long as we cannot export unprocessed nests out, we are at the mercy of those few buyers.... the one that came to see me only offer Rm1300 as he consider my nests OK size but not white!! Very white and big may get you Rm1700 on such bad days like today...

Really, no one here interested in Rm25K grant given by the Gmen? This may be possible due to the fact that the Gmen consider this industry to be agricultural and as such, grant can be given out as in the case of replanting in rubber and oil palm and other agriculture buz and more, now is near polling day and heard that only states controlled by BN can get it...........so, according to friends. it is given to failed BH that need to be renovated and only on agriculture land........and the closing date is 28 of this month...

So far, I have no news about anyone getting the grant or is this the same, a fraud or April Fool joke that come too early.

This post has been edited by West Wing: Jan 16 2013, 03:31 PM

Oyes, the buyer that came recently is from Surabaya, and who said that Indo has too much of nests and not buying...but he is offering Rm1300 for light brown EBN and can offer better if better grade EBN which can mean

1. That the market isn't as bad as we are told
2. Indo still have way to export ie their Gmen not banned them for exporting.
3. He buys from here must be either that the Indo nests must be lower grade and the demand of higher grade EBN is there or that they don't get enough EBN in Indo for buyers oversea.

Just my observation to share if you agree.

Let me give you my little understanding in the art and science of swifltets sanctuary on wooden plank.

1. Most birds don't build nests at moldy planks and worst if new BH so you need to clean up the mold or replace the planks if necessary.
Only old and seasoned BHs moldy planks can also accommodate birds to build their nests there as there is no choice as all good planks being used up.....and such nest produced are usually very dirty and out of shape.
2. Before doing so, find the reason why the planks became moldy and most of the cases are due to
a. The humidity @ BH is too wet
B. Your humidifiers are running too long hours
c. Your BH is too low and if so you must use humidifier cap to lower the direction of mists dispersing.
d. Your planks are getting rotton due to poor quality or too lon exposure to high mist or water.
e. Alot of these cases are also due to leaking roof or having water pool on the top of the BH where the water will seep into the slab and wet the wood planks.

If the situation is more due to the place of the BH where there is of very high humidity, then no humidifier must be use and allow free flow of air but never wind in the BH so that the wood will be dry at all time.

Hope that my findings can help you to solve your prblems and any other suggestion from Sifus here shall be appreciated to know, too.


Best of luck to you and hope that you can solve your problem.

OMG, with so little buyers around and with the present crisis that we are in; all buyers even if I am one will surely take advantages to buy cheaper and cheaper as there are willing sellers every time they drop the price.

Mark my words, unless the Gmen allow free flow of unprocessed nests out, the price will get lower each time buyers come around and worst, they will be so selective that you wanna cry.

Each time the buyers come to buy and return with huge quantity, they shall be planing for next price drop and most of the time will be Rm200 each time...........that I called the art of controlled manipulation of business cos if they drop too much, you will not sell but at Rm200/kg, you will not notice and will sell.

Ask around in China or HK and you will see that the consumers price is still the same as before and then how come that the farm price is getting lower and lower each sale. Buyers will tell you and make so many stories out if you ask them the Questions......like the authorities are taking action against sellers in China and that the cost of transportation have all gone up.

Maybe, they will tell you that before the highest price is RMB 60K and now only Rmb30K and that's because there are no such super grade of RED nests anymore and so, no quote for it.

I am really very sad that now, the buyers are insisting on very white big nests and for that, you will need to sacrifice your BH growth for white nests. You must be vigilante and harvest every months to remove all completed nests and destroyed all eggs or chicks to meet the requirements so as to obtain good price for EBN.............and this is something that I cannot do and my heart will not approve my doing so.

God forbid and one day when thing get so bad and I got so mad, I will invite the minister, his MCA deputy and all his gang include our Fed President to light up a bonfire made up of EBN to show my dismay and anger of what happening now.

This post has been edited by West Wing: Jan 23 2013, 10:18 AM

This time of year is supposed to be the best of time for us, BH owners but alas, price still low and buyers are here telling you to sell now or else, after new year, the price will drop further and of course, most BH owners panic and sell fast or else face more price drop soon. One thing for sure that the price in retail still high but raw EBN getting lower and lower.

This year, palm oil price is also affected and normally, during this time, price is high but this year it is difference and estate owners are expecting price to drop further after the CNY when good harvesting starting.

Have we think it over and maybe all these are due to human interference by future selling the oil palm or manipulating the situation as these super rich people do have the money and if you remember "Soros" and alone, he almost bankrupted all Asean countries.

The only way out of this is to allow free flow of EBN from Malaysia like years before and all EBN are considered smuggled goods and those involved in the lucrative buz will once again rule....and those Gmen officers @ buying countries will be happy as money is going into their pocket....and they have no reason to prevent our EBN from going in....and all countries will gain.

Having a high dream is good but it must be at the right time, the right opportunity and with the right people.

Anyway, we all shall forget and look forward to the year of Ulala...

Many factors
1. the time of year as swiftlets are known to change feathers at certain months of the year.
2. Type of swiftlets as some do produce nest with more feather than other.
3. condition of BH as too warm or cold and wetness, too will cause the amount of feathers.

As we do know that if string of nest dry fast, there will be less tendercy for feather to stick to it so the condition of Bh do play important part in how and type of nest produced in the BH.

Molting do cause some problems but if you do have space for the birds, you do get better nests and also, condition of BH do lesser the number of feathers on the nests. If the nests dry up faster, the tendercy of nests sticking to nests shall be lesser and more will drop to the floor. Remember that the bird need to turn around to stick the string of saliva onto the edge of the nests and if too conjected, it shall be problem not to have some feathers sticking onto the nests whille making nests. O remember that once long ago when my BH was very dry and warm, alot of feathers were on the floor during molting period unlike now, when we want well build nests, we intentionaly created good enviroument for the preferred shape.

We can and do have the ability to control quality of nests unlike in cave where most of the time, the wall are moist and therefore, the nests in cave consist of alot of feathers and our's are better in quality and feather wise.

My recommendation is to allow space for the birds and wider the planks apart and width, the better but these are easily said than done as when we advance, we need to provide more nesting area for the birds to make nests, thereby preventing movement for the bird and all end with money first and birds comfort second.

GONG XI FA CAI
We are the same as before and if anyone tell you that you may export or sell your nests as tourists can take out one KG; don’t you ever believe them. Tell them straight to their face that I said so as I just return from oversea to see the banner there at KLIA…now on the incoming custom area and not at outgoing .


“The banner”

RULES AND PROCEEDURES
For movement of product of Edible birdnests (EBN) from Malaysia
Export of EBN
.All exporters must register with the Department of Veterinary Services ((DVS)
Every Permit shall have the following documents
. Export Perrmit Haiwan 25) and
. Certificate of Freedom of State from Diseases (Haiwan 29) and
. Veterinary Health Certificate (VHC)
These Documents must accompany the consignment to be exported

EBN as Souvenir(s)
EBN as souvenir(s) is exempted from export permit,
with the following conditions.
. 1 kg ((net weight) or less and
. Only Raw-cleaned EBN and value added EBN products are allow and
. Wrapping must be transparent and properly labelled with the name of producer and
.Product derived from Veterinary Health Mark ((VHM) accredited processing plants and
. Must be accompany a copy of Veterinary Health Certificate from the outlet/distributors.
INSPECTION OF EBN
Inspection of EBN will be conducted by Malaysian Quarantine and Inspection Services (MAQIS) and Royal Malaysian Custom Department at the exit points.
NON COMPLIANCE
Action will be taken on products that fail to comply with the exportation conditions and the consignment will be confiscated.}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}

It’s mean that your nests and mine cannot be exported Raw or Cleaned legally without the certificates required.
*Only a handful ppls can export and so, don’t “harap” the tourists can buy our nests and only those cleaned by the selected and approved few can be exported. So, don’t believe what you read or hear from the newspapers or the Datos here as they are all LIARS of the worst kind. They didn't mention or care which countries or what other requirement but that it is our Gmen requirement all the while to save their C/ friends in the RFID and processing plants. You shall see that the RFID will return in a sheep clothing and that all will required to comply or else your nests cannot even sell at pasar malam as "Keropok kering". Also, I see no mention of Drugs, durian or any other things banned except EBN and I think they are out to make dammed sure that we do abide by their rules and orders or else, you die.

About the recent increase of EBN price (but the buyers are very selective), it's all depend on the fancy of buyers now as they are smuggling the nests out and we cannot as we are law binding citizens and will sooner become also smugglers;; thanks to the present Gmen's policies which are forced upon us and helping the few and also those who dare to take risk.....others like me are sitting ducks during the year of snake and what's goodness can be there and just pray that the buyers do have big order for for the nests irrespective of color and that they are gracious enough to share some of their big and fat profit with you.

So, you all know what you all gonna do to save Malaysia esp our Industry.


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This post has been edited by West Wing: Feb 18 2013, 03:24 PM

Best Rate I got last week was Rm1700/half cup but still balance alot more...but many ppl were selling much lower and even now not a harvesting time, I saw many fellow BH owners were harvesting nests to sell as there are buyers and only want quality white nests which at present are as most of the BHs have only eggs and recently hatched chicks but ......Whatever you do, make it a Dhamma