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 V4. Swiftlet Keeping Discussions, All About Swiftlet Keeping Industry

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tuckfook
post Mar 27 2012, 01:29 PM

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QUOTE(ChanK @ Mar 27 2012, 10:28 AM)
i always used Ozonated water to sanitize my nests before n after. never use tap water as nests becomes light yellow as soon as it dry or maybe i messed up during the process ( i m newbie in processing though, pls correct me if i m wrong). I only use filtered water to replace boiled water.

thts why when we or consumers are asking too much then processors will also think n do too much liked not changing the water too often....i don't know u, but i don't eat those nests though.....yukkk...

still best to buy nests from small, reputable, trusted processors. go inside the bird nests hotspot kampung area, u will find them..mostly manned by ah kong and ah sum..their minds are pure and healthy, less polluted so don't think too much. they are clever too, they only keep clean one to process n avoid dirty nests.

hmm....maybe TV8 can open a new TV show for nests search special with ah siang to promote kampung style bird nests, healthy, pure, natural taste bird nests. hahahaha...
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Ozone treatment of water only disinfects the water, but this effect will not carry on to the nests to be processed. Note that the bacteria needs oxygen to convert the ammonia to nitrates and nitrites and ozonated water supposedly contains more oxygen.

It is not pure/clean water we need alone, we need to KILL the BACTERIA.

Tap water is free from dangerous bacteria unless the water treatment plant is messed up.


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post Mar 27 2012, 10:55 PM

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QUOTE(West Wing @ Mar 27 2012, 05:23 PM)
Have anyone here clean the nest properly like no nitrite and how it taste? Even thinking of it, Yak!

Anymore of the egg white smell and is the taste remain the same?

I take birdnest so often and hate to destroy the original taste of birdnests...have tried adding many other food to ebn but still prefer the original taste just sweeten with rock suger.

Als, I would like to ask if 0% nitrite, will the birdnest becoming unhealthy after some time to eat as previously, birdnests can be kept for years and still taste OK and healthy....cos, if I am not wrong that nitrite also help to preserve food, right? Would it be still the same with 0 % nitrite if it become possible?


Added on March 27, 2012, 5:48 pmNow, coming to scientific facts:

1. Nitrates and Nitrites preserve the nests and help to kill bacteria during storage period.
2. Will the favour be the same without nitrite and nitrate.
3. IS the danger of botulum poisoning be present in birdnests without the Ns.

Since that EBN have been safely consumed for hundreds of years and only removing most of it during washing and cooking and now, removing it during processing and then storing them without the Ns, will it cause bacteria to breed and worst, botulinum poisoning in the process.

If removing Ns are the problem, then instruct users to rinse well before cooking  EBN to prevent  formation of Nitrosamines which occur in cooking in very high temperature which cooking  EBN only at 100%C.
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0% nitrite EBN smells of very very light egg white. It will be like a sweet plain jelly when prepared with just rock sugar. Not a distinct smell and taste as before. You should try it yourself for the experience.

Botulinum is usually associated with meat products so very unlikely to be present in EBN but just think if it were, you could plaster it on your face to remove the wrinkles.

I don't know if nitrites play a part in preserving EBN but if Clostridium botulinum was present in EBN and produced the toxins, it would not make any difference as botulinum toxin is destroyed at tempts greater than 60C or 140F so cooking the EBN will make it safe.

Cooking at high tempts will produce carcinogens from nitrites but of course we do not BBQ EBN. We do BBQ sausages though !

So, there is no real danger from nitrites in EBN just a good excuse to control the whole business. All the authorities are fully aware of the facts about nitrates and nitrites.


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post Mar 28 2012, 03:17 PM

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QUOTE(benchai @ Mar 28 2012, 08:30 AM)
Thank you TF and others for contributing so much infor, awareness and understanding on nitrites . Although I been involve in BN for eight years all these are new to me . TF must have done lots of research and so willingly share them with us. TF weather is great in KK. Take time off be my guest , come climb your mountain. Cheers.
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Thanks Ben. Will certainly take you up on the offer eventually.

Any information is for the betterment of our industry. After all we have invested billions in this, I am only doing my tiny bit as contribution.

Collectively, with all of us pooling all our resources together, we should be able to see ourselves through this current crisis.


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post Mar 28 2012, 04:24 PM

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QUOTE(ChanK @ Mar 28 2012, 11:41 AM)
we can have all types of treatment to reduce nitrite n nitrate but unless the consumers willing to buy broken nests instead of just want only the full cup nice shape....at the end nests still contain n n n one....we all know how nests are been ship to china......

from my minimal knowledge with ozone ( i m newbie in nests processing, do correct me if i am wrong) :

- Ozone is 3000 times more germicidal than chlorine. in europe, they already use ozone instead of chlorine to disinfect water as chlorine is harmful to human. and now a lot of food processing plants are using ozone for both food disinfectant n preservation.

- it eliminate nitrite n nitrate and kills bacteria such as e-coli.

i use it in nests cleaning as it is cheap to get,less than rm100 a unit. we used it to disinfect all cleaning tools, table n etc. then we used it in nests cleaning stages.

- during the soaking n brushing of raw nests.
- during soaking when we pick tiny feathers from nests
- during soaking to shape the nests.

as just few minutes of exposure to ozonated water is required to do the job....why not?...and ah ma n ah sum in kampung is doing it...hehehe....talk about technology transfer n how fast our ah sum is learning...
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Read about Ozone.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ozone

as can be read from the above, Ozonated water may or may not be effective for the sterilization of EBN, many specific conditions apply which the layman may not be able to fulfill. It is probably good under controlled factory conditions.

Ozone on nitrite will produce nitrates. Neither is a problem anyway.

Ozone can disinfect water but the water(treated) does not have disinfecting properties and will therefore not kill any bacteria.

Ozonated water cannot be stored and it's disinfecting properties lasts for only a few minutes.

If Ozone is effectively used on EBN the EBN will become oxidized. We do not know what properties will change(taste, color texture etc.) Someone should experiment by dipping EBN in fresh hydrogen Peroxide or using a gas chamber with ozone. Report the findings.

I think for the home cleaner, boiling water does the job effectively.



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post Mar 30 2012, 10:59 PM

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QUOTE(philoswiflet @ Mar 30 2012, 08:22 PM)
Hi aeiou224,

Thanks for your story about the squirrels (by the way, do squirrels eat chicks or birds? I think maybe they do eat eggs) and how you go about preventing them from getting to your farm; you method with the rolicking water bottle and the use of grease is clever indeed. As to the rubber snake; I think nowadays, you should be able to find such "toy" at low market shops/supermarkets or pasar malam; I think city kids no longer play with such toys. Try rural or outskirt areas instead of KL.

I am still grappling with my problem with the shrew(s). The cage I set was tripped but no prisoner. I had since placed 3 mouse traps deep inside the nesting areas and I see the blue poison were still consumed. I had checked the traps one day after and no trap was sprung....
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The poison could be consumed by the dung beetles that are very abundant in swiftlet houses. Since these are insects, it won't kill them.

The mouse traps are easily sprung because the shrews and ground squirrels will very often jump around the cage before entering so setting the trap off whilst they are outside.

very ripe mangoes or bananas with worms in them will attract both shrews and ground squirrels. Inject the fruit with an insecticide called ' Hor Lin Tong ' or Furadans. both these are very poisonous to humans , vegetable farmers use these poisons to kill all worms and insects. Available at farming supplies shop, ie seeds, fertilizers, chemicals etc. Always use gloves and throw the gloves away after use.

Toy snakes will keep them away for a few days before they find out it is fake.

Fake Tigers in plantations, not a chance. You will attract more people who will be looking to hunt the tiger for it can fetch much more than stolen oil palm bunches.


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post Mar 31 2012, 04:04 PM

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QUOTE(West Wing @ Mar 31 2012, 12:27 PM)
Hi, TF,

Tiger hunters and oil palm thieves are two different group of people.; Tiger hunters are rich men as they own gun and they don't go for oil palm which are for the poorer group who had spend all on car or motorcycle but can't afford the high petrol these days...but wanna show off to GF.

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Added on March 31, 2012, 2:09 pm

I have seen and encountered shrews. Few years ago, there was a shrew in my shop and we trapped it with a cage mouse trap. Now, a mini market next to my shop has shrews.

Thing that I found out was shrew moves fast and straight like a train and I believe that shrew must be almost blind and they move fast but able to avoid corners only at the last second so catching one, you must be very fast............yes! if I am not mistaken, I did used burned cooked fish head as bait.
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Ha ha WW, you'll be surprised how many village people are hunting for Tigers once the news is out. Each tiger can easily fetch RM 20k for the hunter, RM30k for the middleman and I dare not speculate how much the exporter gets.

Each pangolin(scaly anteater) fetches RM200+ per kg. Wild boar about Rm50 for a large boar

Poaching is so very rampant in Malaysia as it is easier than working and the money is also much better. Our Govt issued RELA members with shotguns so that they can poach wild animals every night.

Shrews and ground squirrels can acquire a taste for small animals and eggs so they can cause havoc in a BH. Poisoned bait is effective and it'll remain active for months. Plus factor is that poisoned bait also attracts wasps which sometimes nest in the top floor of BHs.

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Any news from Dato Beh ?

I believe Dato gave a press release that 30ppm of nitrite has been agreed upon between Malaysia and China. Unfortunately I don't read Chinese papers so cannot confirm.


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post Apr 2 2012, 02:53 PM

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I recently had some nests processed by a local EBN processor.

The nest came back very damp weighing in at the same as when I sent the raw, dry unprocessed nest, and also full of ants.

After much work getting rid of the ants and drying the nest out, there was a loss of 30% in weight.

The cleaned EBN was tested then for Nitrates and Nitrites and the shocking result was 55ppm nitrates, 270ppm nitrites.

As a control, I had tested a batch of the nests before cleaning and the result was 50ppm nitrates, 47ppm nitrites.

I then put a batch of cleaned nests into boiling water twice and then sent that for testing. The result was 15ppm Nitrates, 33ppm nitrites.

Now, 10 days after the boiling water treatment, I tested the same batch with similar results, no increase of nitrites.


I think I can conclude that the processor did not observe simple hygiene and sterilization procedures. The wet nests returned allowed the bacteria to increase the nitrite levels phenomenally.





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post Apr 2 2012, 06:32 PM

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QUOTE(northface @ Apr 2 2012, 05:38 PM)
Sifu tf, may I know what lab you send your BN to be analyzed? Must cost lots of $$ analyze so many different times! yawn.gif
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There are many labs to test food and products. Depends on which town you are in, you can look in the yellow pages or ask Health department.

I used an aquarium test kit that I bought many years ago. It is available in large Aquarium shops, especially those specializing in expensive exotic fish. You may have to dilute the test sample when the nitrite level is very high as some of these test kits are for 0 to 5 ppm of nitrite.

Since EBN is a 'dry' product, use a specific weight, eg.10gm and dilute with 100gm of distilled water to get one tenth dilution. Therefore test results x 10. (make the EBN into a dry powder first)

Home test kits are not the most accurate but I have found that it will be within +-10% of the lab test result.

The pro test lab will come with a certificate, that is the real cost!


Added on April 2, 2012, 6:44 pm
QUOTE(West Wing @ Apr 2 2012, 04:52 PM)
Yes, I too concur with you that wetness do cause nitrite level to increase and all processed or not are ship wet to prevent breakage. So, how to solve this or are we going to add preventive chemical into the nests?

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Just kill the bacteria by using boiling water or keeping the nest at about 80c for 30 mins. Get rid of residual nitrites with clean boiled or sterile water, washing several times.

I have asked a food manufacturer about radiation, ie using a radioactive material to sterilize the EBN. Unfortunately the machine is very expensive to purchase and run. Also requires special permits and personnel. This is used for processing seafood in some factories as it does not heat the raw seafood up so there is no pre cooking.

Sterilized wet EBN and vacuum packed should last for several months and much longer refrigerated. It is a matter of changing our ideas and mind set to meet the situation.

I'm sure everyone noticed that cooked EBN kept in the fridge stays fresh for a long time.

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post Apr 3 2012, 01:29 PM

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QUOTE(northface @ Apr 3 2012, 12:02 AM)
Has anybody tried to sterilize the BN by exposing them under ultraviolet light for say 30s to 1 min? That should do the trick to stunt bacteria growth hence reducing nitrite lvls.
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UV lights work provided the source is powerful enough to allow full penetration into the EBN as it is easily absorbed and reflected.

Kill the bacteria and no nitrites will be produced. It is our cleaning methods that are producing excessive nitrites.

Problem is UV light sources usually cost more in terms of electricity and they don't last very long.


Added on April 3, 2012, 1:38 pm
QUOTE(Cergau @ Apr 3 2012, 11:27 AM)
I wrote the above based on my maybe faulty recollection.
The writer then may not have used the actual word 'wind mill'...could have just described it.
Just googl* for toy wind mill. I recall he made it out of metal sheet.
Just make sure you make it with a protective cylinder that doesnt cut the wire when it rotates in the wind or your ground shrew starts to play with it like a toy  biggrin.gif
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It is standard practice on ships to prevent rats from climbing up mooring ropes, to use a large flat steel plate, up to 20" radius where the rope goes through the middle without any gap. Rats climbing up the rope cannot go round the plate as they have no grip on the steel and also cannot jump over the 20" plate.

I have used the cover of an aluminium pot, 20" dia. with cable thru the middle to stop rats climbing in. Worked wonderfully.

I recently caught 2 Paradise Tree snakes in my control room, fortunately they did not enter into the BH. These snakes can glide from a greater height into the BH if you are surrounded by trees higher than your BH.

The anti rat plate will also effectively deter snakes as well as squirrels and rats using the cables.


Added on April 3, 2012, 1:46 pm
QUOTE(Cergau @ Apr 3 2012, 09:31 AM)
Micro bubble cleaning.
Anyone research the viability of this. Accordingly the bubble generator is becoming affordable. Theoretically the nano sized air bubble can bind temporarily with most compounds.
Imagine a laundry machine running off this. No detergents required!!!  smile.gif

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5F9pnkDf5M

I also recall watching on Youtub* a SG based EBN processor wanting to patent this with EBN.
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Ultrasonic cleaners will also work, go try in your ultrasonic humidifier. It needs flowing water and the nests have to be presoaked and broken up.

Problem is that the market demands EBN in "whole pieces" or reassembled into almost the original shape which is difficult once the nest is broken up.

If the market accepts EBN as reformed round cakes,, without emphasis on original shape, the major battle is won.

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QUOTE(coolandy @ Apr 25 2012, 12:27 AM)
The sad thing about the event was that it seemed to be put together by politicians instead of sales people.

As you all know, there is a saying not to trust two types of people; those who are in love and politicians.

Just my opinion. I could be wrong.
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and the heads of some local and national EBN related associations are involved in politics doh.gif
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QUOTE(West Wing @ May 14 2012, 07:51 PM)
Below are just my opinion only and other may disagree.
Don't do any renovation when the good are going......but it's only my opinion on the matter discussed; it's up to you.
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Hey WW, change your name to WISE Wing it is more appropriate.

BTW, there was one night, a long time ago, at about 2am. that my timer failed. For some reason, the day sound played, at daytime volume and I observed that many birds flew out and disappeared into the night. Whether the same birds came back later or the next evening I do not know but I know for sure that it definitely frightened the birds with the sudden change at night. The same does not happen daytime.



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With the honest report from Benchai and Wise Wing, I must also say that after trying very many 'aromas' none of them conclusively proved that the birds preferred any of them in any way.

I concur with both our great experts that all it takes is shit ! It's all about a big load of shit.

In my school boy understanding of science, shit and water combined produces ammonia, plus other smelly stuff, so the use of pure ammonia as emitted by ammonium bicarbonate, it may mask the smell of a newly built BH. This is what I used when I first opened the doors of my swiftlet hotel. 2 bags per floor.

If you have a BH in an Agri area, as I have, maybe the use of fresh chicken dung in the field might also help. I ordered 100 bags of fresh chicken manure to put in the farm and that attracted hundreds of birds from sunrise to sunset everyday for about 3 months. I then switched to Oil Palm waste which is the left over from the fruit bunches after the fruits have been removed and these created a lot of insects which again attracted a lot of birds daily.

I am trying desperately to kill termites, have also given them instructions to fly to Wise Wing's BH but they won't leave and keep eating up my coconut trees, durian seedlings, killing off my bananas. I wish I could dig them up and put them on a lorry to the east coast.

Like the Rice industry with BERNAS, soon there will be a 'co-op' to control EBN, run by some UMNO controlled crony and we will have to sell exclusively to them or through them. What can we do about that ?
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QUOTE(Bobby C @ May 18 2012, 05:15 PM)
Once saw fruit flies at the roving 1 mth after activating insect fed and at the same time swiftlets flying low at chest height believe feeding on flies. Usually they fly high nearer to ceiling. 

Some increase in nests not sure coincident. But only 1 bucket of fed weight 3kg, wonder how much insect can it produce? Tuck Fook kind of mass production more effective lah. Home made few buckets type just extra junk foods. Probably helps just for few not main colonies.

IMO more benefit to those selling insect fed than benefit the birds. Home made cheaper but how much can you make. 1 lorry of EFB or cow dung more effective anytime.
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Cow dung is different due to the differing digestive systems !
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QUOTE(West Wing @ May 21 2012, 10:27 AM)



Added on May 21, 2012, 10:33 amStill taking about BS, I maybe interested to make BS into pellet and sell to users and anyone here know of any simple machine to compress BS into hard pellet and pack them into bag to sell.. maybe a small bag for Rm5 -Rm10 for coffee money.
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Bird shit is very light when dry but also contains a lot of visibly large particles, dead beetles etc. All these makes the finished product look "unprofessional"

So first we need to get the BS finely ground, which is not difficult as the particles are not hard. Just a roller type grinder will be efficient enough.

The product is then mixed with a binder like starch, seaweed, etc which will help with keeping the pellets together.

This is then well mixed with hot water and 'cooked' to kill bacteria as well as turn it into a thick paste.

The thick paste is then extruded into long 'sausages' which will break as it dries, forming pellets.

There are several 'Chicken Manure' factories already doing this. The 'all in one' machines are used to make animal feed, fertilizer pellets etc. are probably available from China or Taiwan or made in Malaysia.

When the BHs in my area matures, I might consider such a factory.
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Any Able Body please attend.


Tuan / Puan,

MESYUARAT “TASK FORCE” MENANGANI ISU / MASALAH PREMIS BURUNG WALIT BIL. 3/2012.

Dengan hormatnya saya diarah merujuk perkara seperti di atas.

2. Sukacita dimaklumkan bahawa Mesyuarat “Task Force” Menangani Isu / Masalah Burung Walit Bil. 3/2012 akan diadakan seperti berikut:

Tarikh : 29 Mei 2012
Masa : 2.30 petang
Tempat : Bilik Mesyuarat Cempaka,
Tingkat 15, MPSP
Jalan Perda Utama, Bandar Perda,
Bukit Mertajam

3. Bersama-sama ini disertakan agenda mesyuarat dan minit Mesyuarat “Task Force” Menangani Isu / Masalah Premis Burung Walit Bil. 2/2012 untuk makluman dan perhatian tuan / puan. Kehadiran tuan / puan amat dihargai.

Sekian, terima kasih.

“CEKAP, AKAUNTABILITI, TELUS”
“BERKHIDMAT UNTUK NEGARA”



(HAJI AHMAD FUAD BIN HAJI HASHIM)
Pengarah Perancang Bandar
b.p Setiausaha Perbandaran


Untuk pertanyaan sila hubungi:

Nur Faradilla Binti Fahruddin
Pen. Pengarah Perancang Bandar
Majlis Perbandaran Seberang Perai
Tel: 04-5497533

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QUOTE(ChanK @ Jul 1 2012, 07:30 PM)
[color=red][size=9][b]It means u are on ur own.

Join the up coming protests to protect ur own future.

Spread the news out, many still blur..

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Added on July 2, 2012, 10:10 amFrom Guangzhou news, they have rejected the use of RFID and are using QR code.

Question  is why we still want to push for RFID??????

Question is why we don't use QR code tht u can even use open source code n u no need to pay a dime for it.

Question is why when the Chinese govt already said tht they only want the processing plant name n address included in,why we push to track from farms and ask all farmers to pay for thousands for the equipment.....
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Please make all this information known to ALL the local news including online news.

It is obvious that some Malaysians want to monopolize the EBN business, from the production in the BH to the export of cleaned and raw EBN.

Now is a good time to get your YB involved.

If Barisan and MCA get back into Kedah state, the Horse will be even stronger to strangle us.

Get the Guangzhou News into our newspapers and save our industry.


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post Jul 3 2012, 01:27 PM

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QUOTE(Awakened_Angel @ Jul 2 2012, 09:42 PM)
Dear All,

I oversee this product, anyone tried it?
http://birdnestfarm.wordpress.com/2010/12/...-swiftlet-farm/
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Why feed swiftlets when we now don't have enough to feed ourselves.

I'm disillusioned, why support any swiftlet association when the heads of these associations who are supposed to help promote the industry are probably the very ones who are effing us !


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QUOTE(West Wing @ Jul 5 2012, 05:25 PM)
If the upcoming rally is the truth, the Ajib Ko need to be informed of this and if he come forward to solve the problems facing us, then there shall no longer be necessary for any protest of any sort. We are not going to make it into a political show to enable opposition party to gain mileage but rather we wish to survive and be allow to sell our EBN at reasonable price without some much nonsense here and there and we are still in the middle of the ocean with no land in the horizon plus those guys just wanting this and that...like the V-kursus that I attended over 5 times and now, back to square one. Now, RFID and more useless requirements that really make you sick and before you know, you already die of heart attack.

If we have to show our displeasure and anger, then we shall and we do it only because we have to and not we want to........for our future and our families.
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Daily Task Tracking


4-Jul
No Item Resp Target
4.1 Propose get pro Event Planner fully organise events (banner/backdrop design, meal, security, etc). Estimate the management charges is $5500 Committee members to-be discussed
4.2 Federal Press Statement will be released on July 10. Follow by state press release (after few days) Carole 10-Jul
4.3 Slogan is opened to all, PLEASE email in, WELCOME to ALL ALL On-going
4.5 Dato Tok invites President of ACCCIM Dato' Lim Kok Cheong to give a speech during Rally opening ceremony Dato Tok 21-Jul
4.6 Leaflet/Slogan/backdrop detail contents/design Allen/Phang 5-Jul


Follow up item
2.4 "State's association logo:-
Received from Kelantan, Perlis and Melaka" Ooi SH On-going
2.5 "Donation (received):-
(1) Mr Phang K W ($5K),
(1) Mr Chaw Soo Peoh (1K)
(2) Mr. Chieng Lea Phing (1K)" Allen Tan On-going
3.1 "Police Permit:-
Carole prepare a letter and get Dato Tok to sign off" Carole/Dato Tok 5-Jul
3.4 "T-Shirt:-
Get quo from Dato Lee at $12/pc.
Order 2000pc" Ooi SH/Dato Lee "Delivery before
16 July"
3.5 "Recruitment:-
No update yet" Alex Sim On-going

4-Jul
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4.1 建议聘请“活动策划公司”来管理活动(横幅/背景设计,膳食,安全等)。估计管理费是$5500 委员 to-be discussed
4.2 7月10日将公布联邦新闻声明。几天后, 州公会发 新闻声明 Carole 10-Jul
4.3 标语是向所有人开放,请发送电子邮件,欢迎各界 ALL On-going
4.5 Dato Tok 邀请中华总商会,总会长拿督林国璋局绅在仪式开幕上致辞 Dato Tok 21-Jul
4.6 详细内容简章/标语/背景/设计 Allen/Phang 5-Jul


跟进项目
2.4 "各州的标志(logo):-
收到来自吉兰丹,玻璃市和马六甲" Ooi SH 进行中
2.5 "捐款(已收到):-
(1) Mr Phang K W ($5K),
(1) Mr Chaw Soo Peoh (1K)
(2) Mr. Chieng Lea Phing (1K)" Allen Tan 进行中
3.1 "警察证:-
Carole 准备一封信给 Dato Tok 签" Carole/Dato Tok 5-Jul
3.4 "T-恤t:-
Dato Lee 寻价每件$12/pc, 订购2000件" Ooi SH/Dato Lee "Delivery before
16 July"
3.5 "登记:-
没有更新" Alex Sim 进行中





3-Jul
No Item Resp Target
3.1 Police Permit - Letter acknowledgement to KL Jalan Han Tuah- Dato Mohd Salih (Ketua Polis) Carole 5-Jul
3.2 Mineral water sponsor by President of ACCCIM Dato' Lim Kok Cheong Nil Close
3.3 ACCCIM Vice President, Datuk Ter Leong Yap will attend this rally Nil Close
3.4 T-Shirt, final quo for 2000pcs (standby 500pc if needed) Ooi SH 5-Jul
3.5 Kelantan and Perlis start to deliver the "Register Form" for recruitment Ooi SH, Khor SH, Alex Sim On-going

Follow up item
2.4 Each state's logo (for banner printing) Carole ask Por for the softcopy On-going
2.5 Donation (Please update) Allen Tan On-going



3-Jul
No 项目 责任人 目标
3.1 警察证 - 发认同信给Dato Mohd Salih (Ketua Polis), Balai Polis Jalan Hang Tuah Pudu Carole 5-Jul
3.2 中华总商会,总会长拿督林国璋局绅将赞助矿泉水 Nil Close
3.3 中华总商会副总会长拿督戴良业将出席这次集会 Nil Close
3.4 T恤,最后的现状为2000件(待500件,如需),报价 Ooi SH 5-Jul
3.5 吉兰丹州和玻璃市开始提供招聘,请位请用“登记表” Ooi SH/Khor SH、AlexSim On-going

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2.4 各州的标志(为布条所用) Carole ask Por for the softcopy On-going
2.5 Donation (Please update) Allen Tan On-going




2-Jul
No Item Resp Target Status
2.1 "Install Skype
Person needed: Dato Tok, Mah, Allen (Carole Ooi SH and Khor SH already DONE)" Khor 3-Jul Done
2.2 Police Permit DatoTok/Carole 3-Jul on going
2.3 T-Shirt Ooi SH come out design 3-Jul on going
2.4 Each state's logo Carole ask Por for the softcopy on going
2.5 Bank Account detail for donation Dato Tok call Por for the detail, and instruct Allen for the collection 3-Jul on going
2.6 Find out Event Planner Carole 3-Jul on going



--- On Tue, 3/7/12, CAROLE LOH <swiftletfan@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: CAROLE LOH <swiftletfan@yahoo.com>
Subject: CONTRIBUTIONS FOR RALLY ON 21.7.12
Date: Tuesday, 3 July, 2012, 4:28 PM

Dear All

Contributions for the Meeting on 21.7.12 at KL Chin Woo Stadium can be paid in the following ways :

1) BY CHEQUE

Cheque payable to PERSEKUTUAN PERSATUAN PEDAGANG SARANG BURUNG MALAYSIA



2) DIRECT BANKING INTO ACCOUNT

PERSEKUTUAN PERSATUAN PEDAGANG SARANG BURUNG MALASIA
CIMB account no. 02023-1304715-05-0

(Please send copy of bank in slip to inform Allan Tan of Johor that you have banked in. His h/p no. 019 7136 886)

Thank you.

Carole Loh



This post has been edited by tuckfook: Jul 5 2012, 08:35 PM
tuckfook
post Jul 6 2012, 03:21 PM

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Joined: Oct 2008
Like I said before, I am disillusioned by the various associations. It would seem that many whom we voted to be leading the associations, to act for the good of all of us, have perhaps led us to 'Timbuktu'

Suggested 30ppm for nitrite level when WHO and other world bodies accept higher for similar products.

Did not stress that EBN is a raw product and has to be soaked and rinsed at best, before stewing, thereby reducing the nitrite level by at least 90%

Accepted RFID system and MOA recommendations without the consensus from all EBN players.

Probably have a hand in trying to corner the market by direct export to CN bypassing HK, and creating chaos by not quickly dissolving the imitation and Red nest issue.

It's now too late to do anything else but remove these 'Heads' of associations, who are now scrambling to correct their mistakes for they too have been stung by the low prices.

We are a group that is selfish and greedy, doing things to benefit ourselves regardless of the pain caused to others, fellow EBN producers.

Sadly, that is prevalent amongst us.


tuckfook
post Jul 8 2012, 06:29 PM

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Joined: Oct 2008
Date: Saturday, 7 July, 2012, 1:58 AM

Greeting...

5 July and 6 July


No Item Resp Target
5.1 A modify registration form is released, additional information on PPSB letterhead, rally address and map . Please refer to another attachment file name "Registration Form.doc" Alex Sim Done
5.2 Additional One new slogan propose by James Koo (see "Slogan" sheet) NIL Nil
6.1 Activity Arrangment/Schedule Phang 8-Jul
6.2 Leaflet/Slogan/backdrop detail contents/design Phang July 5
July 7
6.3 Printing : Leaflet/Slogan/backdrop Mah TBD
6.4 Media/reportors arrangement during 21 July
Committee 16-Jul
6.5 Slogan (2 categories):
(a) 26 States Association's Letterhead and logo
- Printing
(b) Industry Message Slogan (a) Ooi/Mah
(b) ALL (a) 16-Jul
(b) 20-Jul




















Follow up item


2.4 Received State's association logo:-
Perak(?), Johor and Muar Ooi SH On-going
2.5 Donation (received):-
(1) Mr Steven Sow Chee Hong (Teluk Intan) - $1K
(2) Khor SH (Perlis) and Member - $5K
(3) Jessie Tang (Sarawak) - $5K
(4) Ooi SH (Kelantan) -$5K
(5) Out TM (Muar) - $2K Allen Tan
(total received till 6 July, 8pm, total = $25K On-going
3.1 Police Permit:-
Letter is ready Dato Tok to sign off Letter handcarry (by Rela) to Pudu Balai Polis, for receiving aknowledgement Carole/Dato Tok/Ooi SH 9-Jul
3.4 T-Shirt :-
Order 2000pc . Black logo $12/pc, Colour Logo $14/pc. Final decision order colour logo
Ooi SH/Dato Lee Design finalise by Jul 7
Delivery before
16 July
3.5 Recruitment:-
According to Ooi SH,
1) Mah SL said Selangor 500 participants will join this rally
2) JP John Chen send 3 buses Alex Sim On-going
4.1 Event Planning:-
Cancel hiring outside Event Planner.
PPSB organise ourself:-
1) Meal (chicken rice) - Dato Tiger Lee
2) Security (Rela) (Who??)
3) Sound System (who??)
4) Projector/screen (who??)
5) Video/Camera-man (who??
6) Chair (Liu CH)
7) Registration (Alex, need 10 person)
8) First Aid (Who??) Ooi SH (ask MABA) 8-Jul




















5 July and 6 July


No Item Resp Target
5.1 修改"登记表“,增加信息如PPSB信笺,活动地址和地图。请参考另一附件的文件名“ Registration Form.doc” Alex Sim 完毕
5.2 James Koo 建议的口号提出由詹姆斯·古永锵(见“口号”表) Carole 10-Jul
6.1 活动布局,安排(时间表) Phang 8-Jul
6.2 详细内容简章/标语/背景/设计 Phang July 5
July 7
6.3 简章/标语/背景/设计 Mah SL TBD
6.4 7月21日的媒体安排
Committee 16-Jul
6.5 布条(2类):
(a)印刷26公会的信笺和徽标
(b)燕业信息口号 (a) Ooi SH/Mah SL
(b) 公开 (a) 16-Jul
(b) 20-Jul





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2.4 收到州公会的标志(logo):-
Perak(?),Johor, Muar Ooi SH 进行中
2.5 捐款(已收到):-
(1) Mr Steven Sow Chee Hong (Teluk Intan) - $1K
(2) Khor SH (Perlis) and Member - $5K
(3) Jessie Tang (Sarawak) - $5K
(4) Ooi SH (Kelantan) -$5K
(5) Out TM (Muar) - $2K Allen Tan
(至今 6 July, 8pm, 已收到 = $25K) 进行中
3.1 警察证:-
Carole 已备好一封信给 Dato Tok 签. 信由RELA 亲手交给 Pudu Balai Polis, 要签收 Carole/Dato Tok 9-Jul
3.4 T-恤t:-
黑白徽标每件$12/pc,
颜色徽标每件$14/pc。最终确定颜色,订购2000件 Ooi SH/Dato Lee Delivery before
16 July
4.1 活动策划: -
取消雇用活动策划公司。
由PPSB来安排:-
1)鸡饭 - Dato Tiger Lee
2)保安(RELA)(谁?)
3)音响系统(谁?)
4)投影机/屏幕(谁?)
5)拍视频/相机(谁??
6)安排椅子(Lee CH)
7)入场登记(亚历克斯,需要10人)
8)急救队(谁?)


Added on July 9, 2012, 12:41 pmLeader,
Tomorrow (10 July) Carole will release Press Statement, annouchment of 21 July Seminar (so-call), to our local Press Media, inside the Press Statement will include belowing contact list (for registration of 21 July Seminar), those participants from your correspondence state/district that interest to join (or to understand) this Seminar will contact you (and/or your second-line person),

PLEASE verify the your information below before this Press Statement is released. TQ

各位领导,

明天(7月10日), Carole 将发布“新闻文告”(全国版)给新闻媒体,关于7月21日“燕业汇报会”的招募,新闻文告里将包括以下联系人,有兴趣参加(或了解者)将联系与您联系(和/或您的第二线的人),

在新闻文告还没发布之前,请确认您的信息, 谢谢

No Association
支会 Contact Person
联络人 Tel
电话
1 Perlis Khor Swee Hock Vincent (Secretary) 012-4167230


Chuah Tian Hee Michael (President) 019-4438850




2 Kedah Dato Beh Heng Seong (President) 012-4223604


Tan Khang Phey (Secretary) 012-4780179




3 Penang Penang-Carole Loh Chooi Lean (President) 017-4737678


Liew Chin Huat (Secretary) 017-4614178




4 Kelantan Kelantan - Ooi Siong Hwa (President) 019-9825787


Lee Cheng Siong (secretary) 019-9548666




5 Kuala Krai, Kelantan Kuala Krai - Ho Chun Loong (President) 019-9829829







6 Trengganu Trengganu-Dato Tok Teng Tai (President) 019-9833696








7 Kemaman, Trengganu Kemaman-Lawrence Tang Meng Kuang (President) 019-9535555








8 Pahang Pahang-Dato Lee Kong Heng (President) 012-9218698


Leong Kah Foong (Vice President) 016-9520333




9 Kuantan, Pahang Kuantan-Dato Chow Liong (President) 019-9502985


Tan Kok Hua (Vice President) 013-9278163




10 Johor Johor - Allen Tan Swee Meng (President) 019-7136886


Pang Kam Wah (Committee) 019-7542943




11 Muar Johor Muar - Out Teck Meng (President) 012-6236103


James Koo (Special Assistant) 019-2746538




12 Melaka Melaka-JP John Chen Joon Onn (President) 012-2838578


Liw Chong Liong (Vice President) 016-6625211




13 Negeri Sembilan Dato Tiger Lee Ying Fang (President) 012-6183111


Liew Chai (Vice President) 012-6020345




14 Port Dickson, Negeri Sembilan Cheoh Thian Shing (President) 019-6619968


Ong Boon Hing 019-6608091




15 Selangor Mah Swee Lye (President) 019-3370005


Jackson Loo 012-3777985




16 Sabah George Ng Aun Heng (President) 019-8803770


Steven Ng 017-2563388




17 Kuching1, Sarawak Liu Thian Leong (President) 012-8877436


Voon Wuu Sheng (Secretary) 012-8888990




18 Kuching2, Sarawak Loh Siaw Kuei (President) 012-8086999


Wong Teck Heng (Secretary) 016-8906609




19 Sibu, Sarawak Jesse Tang Yu Hang (Deputy President) 019-8897678


Colin Wong Chun Ong (Secretary) 013-8083663




20 Bintulu, Sarawak Chieng Lee Ping (President) 013-8332123


Pang Leong Ming 019-8840757




21 Ipoh, Perak Lim Lai Soon (President) 012-5115156


Karen Lee Siew Kim (Secretary) 017-5734138




22 Taiping, Perak Lee Koi Chuen (President) 012-5123218


Raymond Yeong (Secretary) 017-2083663




23 Sitiawan, Perak Chua Soo Peow (President) 012-5050252


Chua See Peow 012-5039252




24 Teluk Intan, Perak Steven Sow Chee Hong (President) 012-5178881


Poh Bin Sei 016-5594676




25 Batang Padang, Perak Goh Siew Voon (Vice President) 019-5575515


Cheng Koon Kam(Vice President) 016-5512548




26 Tanjung Malim, Perak Calvin Chai Boon Seong (President) 012-2181894


Leng Wa Nam Prof (Vice President) 012-6135738


Team,
Untill today received donation from belowing donor

至今,只收到以下捐款:-

No. Association Members Authorised Official Representative Donation
10 Sarawak Jesse Tang Yu Hang $5,000
11 Perlis Khor Swee Hock + members $5,000
16 Kelantan Ooi Siong Hwa,PB $5,000
17 Muar Out Teck Meng $2,000
24 Bintulu Mr. Chieng Lea Phing $1,000
27 JB Phang Kam Wah $5,000
35 Teluk Intan Steven Sow Chee Hong $1,000


Those that not yet donate :-
还没捐的人有如下:-
No. Association Members Authorised Official Representative Donation
1 Kedah Dato' Paduka Beh Heng Seong DHMS,DSDK,PJK,JP $10,000
2 Terangganu Dato' Tok Teng Sai,
DSMT,DMPT,ASM,AMN,PJK $10,000
3 Pahang Dato' Lee Kong Heng, AMP $10,000
4 Penang Carole Loh Chooi Lean $1,000
5 Selangor Mah Swee Lye $5,000
6 Melaka John Chen Joon Onn, JP $10,000
7 Perak Tan Yoke Tian
8 Sarawak Wong Teck Heng $1,000
9 Pahang Dato' Chow Liong,
DIMP, AMP
12 Negeri Sembilan Cheoh Thian Shing $2,000
13 Negeri Johor Allen Tan Swee Meng $8,000
14 Kemaman, Terengganu Lawrence Tan Meng Kuang $5,000
15 Sarawak Liu Thian Leong
18 Sabah George Ng Aun Heng
19 Negeri Sembilan Dato' Lee Yuen Fong DSNS $3,000
20 Perak Utara, Perak Lee Koi Chuan $2,000
21 Burung Walet, Perak Lim Lai Soon $10,000
22 Kuala Krai, Kelantan Ho Chung Loong $5,000
23 Mr. Chai Boon Seong
26 Ipoh Dr Ho Boon Chan $1,000
28 Leong Kah Fong $1,000
29 Melaka Liew Chong Liong $5,000
30 Melaka Dr Wee Hui Kit $1,000
31 Hing Wah Ang $500
32 Johor Heng Kui Hua $5,000
33 Ipoh Alex Sim Kuan Ching $1,000
35 Tan Kok Wah $1,000




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