Will someone please turn on the searchlight with the shape of a swiftlet at night; just like how one would summon Batman for help in time of crisis, because we are currently in the perfect storm for the EBN industry.

The headline news in Nanyang (7th Jan) observed that these are trying times for EBN players (maybe not the traders) which all of us in this industry already know so well. Supposedly, no officers from China had even yet visited Malaysia to check first hand before making reports that is needed to reopen importation of only raw/clean nests into China, no mention of raw/unclean nests.

Where is Swiftletman when we need him?

This post has been edited by philoswiftlet: Jan 8 2013, 07:19 AM

Today headline on Nanyang paper stated that government will give financial help (grants or loans) up to $20K+ to qualified farmers that have failed farms located only in agricultural areas that fulfill their conditions (?)

Glad that the giant rally at Stadium Merdeka went peacefully today. The gov must know that its not good to have violence and bloodshed again especially so near to the all important general election. My appreciation to all those who participated in this historic gathering and may we have a fair and peaceful election.... I know whom I will gave my votes to; do you?

Had a serious bout of roaches attack in my farm the other day; it seems an area at a corner where there gaps between the planks and the roaches made their base there.... I believe that years before, I had splashed some guano along the wall and part of it caught some of the planks and this sort of attracted the roaches to congregate there... I was lazy to clean the plank and just let it be.... so I had to spray a good bit of class IV insect spray from a can to destroy probably 100 roaches! Not a good idea to spray so much insecticide directly on the planks but it was an emergency.... later, wipe the effected planks with wet cloth and scrubbed away the shit of the roaches on the planks as well as residue of the insect spray with a wire brush...

Once you know your goal; there are three criteria for success:

Patience, Persistence, Perspiration

Wishing you the best!

Anyone can discuss about reducing the amount of feathers found in bird nests?

Thanks to our resident exponents Tuck Fook & WW for their inputs. According to nests traders; these problems are seasonal and nothing can be done about them. I came across suggestion that the length of planks (4 inches, 6 inches, etc) might be part of the problem but as the industrial standard is 6 inches and many suffer from this problem... so don't know if we can attribute it to the length of the planks...

In response to sifu WW:
1. molting period can cause such problems
2. a type of swiflet specie in Borneo produces dirty nests with lots of feathers.
3. Conditions of the farm i.e. high humidity

This is certainly an interesting topic which also determine greatly the value of the nests produced.

My contractor who build my farms spaced the planks 18 inches apart which I later felt to be too far apart unlike my friends who build his farms at 14 inches apart; yet a good many of the nests in my farms still have lots of feathers. But its true that with more rooms, the birds will not be so crowded together thus causing more feathers to stick to the nests.

Decided to dismantle a plywood door in my farm; wanted to do it long ago but difficult to unscrew the screws from the hinges. But as the humidity had gradually destroy the lower portion... I decided to force the door off.... and as the door was coming off... surprised... swarm of roaches scurried out from under the gaps in the lower portion.... so I quickly used the class IV aerospray insecticide to spray... later as I brought down the heavy door down the staircase... more roaches tried to escapes... possibly a few hundreds and I sprayed them liberally as the staircase is sheltered from the rest of the nesting rooms.... I never suspect there are so many roaches residing inside the door... luckily I got rid of the vermins!

With low prices of EBN going lower; no happy new year for many swiftlet farmers. It looks like we will be witnesses to history in the making in the coming weeks...

Could this good news be true?
Read from James blog that there will be a substantial price increase in raw nests within this first quarter... meaning by the end of March.
If so, this will really means GONG XI FA CHAI to all swiftlet farmers who have successful farms.

If this prediction comes true... then I venture we give a chorus of loud cheers:
"Hurray! Hurray! Hurray!"
The breaking of the dawn is at hand!

http://swiftletfarmer.blogspot.com/2013/02...est+Business%29

This post has been edited by philoswiftlet: Feb 15 2013, 02:17 PM

Some farmers complain about their nests piling up... what about those whose farms are not producing much nests? Its like the case of a man unhappy because he has no shoes until he see the guy with no legs.

I am still trying to increase nest growth in my farms come what may....
Keep in mind the saying that : "And this too will pass" Yes, bad times will end as surely as darkness ultimately turns into day.... Winston Churchill once stated that if you find you are going through hell; just keep on going.... good advice... contemporary translation is: "When the going gets tough, the tough keeps going."

Sifu WW is right; someone I know ventured aggressively into this field last year after he bought some land... he build 2 standalone farms and this was when the bird nest industry was in deep shock after the large fall in prices. But his reasoning was that even if the price fall to $500, its still worthwhile to do. I also heard seniors observed: what can compare to the value of bird nests in terms of returns from agricultural land... such as planting papayas?... I believe papaya is selling for around $1.50 per kilo.

For those already ashore (meaning with successful farms and raked in plenty of $$$ during the good times years before), they can easily ride out the storm... but for those not so successful relying on this industry to take care of their family... its really tough... and for those with few nests after years of operation... its even tougher.... and toughest are those that take large loans to renovate shops, buy shops and/or land and construct standalone farms...

All those who had a hand in destroying this industry have blood on their hands... seeing there had been a few cases of suicides relating to the drastic long period decline of this industry.

Hi,

There is a Chinese saying that goes: To be in a separate trade is like to be separated by a mountain.
It means that one person involve in an industry do not know how the other industry is doing.

So if you are not involve in this trade, its no surprise to be ignorant of what is happening to this birdnest industry in Malaysia.

I guess that many aspiring swiftlet farmers had been doing reconnaissance of the situations in Hong Kong and China and trying to find a route for their low price nests in Malaysia.

I believe only the established traders who good connections can find their nests across into China; its not so easy for the small and medium time farmers to establish such connections.

There is going to be a rally by swiftlet farmers on the 8th of March in which their aim is to demonstration for help to end the current crisis affecting the farmers due to the ban by China. Many farmers are suffering and they are letting the authorities know that this matter cannot go on indefinitely... the solution must come as soon as possible.

I would say that for the "manufacturers" of the bird nests; they would most probably like to have this situation exist for long period... so as to enjoy low costs for buying raw nests and then selling them for high profits... we just have to take the blows and see how it goes.... it don't seem possible for James prediction of a high jump in prices by the end of the first quarter which will end in 12 days time to come to pass.

This situation seems so endless but as Lincoln used to say during the nightmarish periods during the US Civil war: "And this too shall pass."

Its best if EBNs prices can recover soon but hopefully, it can at least recover latest by the time before the Mid Autumn festival or lunar festival when traditionally the demand are strong. Heard that many fledgings are migrating into inner areas from the coastal areas due to high winds... don't know its true of not... this rumor.

This dreadful disaster in Vietnam coupled with the unfolding event in China may prove to be the final straw if things truly got out of hands... do not know how the worst thing happening to EBN swiftlet industry here can become even more worst than we can ever imagine.... nothing one can do but just have to sit tight and see how thing goes.... Truly incredible!!!

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In the past week (6-11/4/2013), through the media is posting information theaters adopted at the Thong Nhat Thanh Binh, Dao Long ward, Phan Rang - Thap Cham died suddenly last March extends so far, with over 4,000 children. After inspection, sampling birds nest in theaters Thanh Binh, through sample testing of dead birds found here have tested positive for H5N1.
Currently the Provincial Veterinary Services Local authorities have informed the swift emergence of avian flu (H5N1), examined, sampled at 54 the bird for testing and will be the main conclusions form on 15/04/2013, and guide farmers to clean the bird nest farming, disinfection surrounding farming areas.
12.4 evening, Mr. Nguyen Xuan Binh - Director of the Veterinary Authority said VI: New bird discovered by the U.S. Customs at Phan Nguyen Rang - Thap Cham is a dead bird tested positive for the H5N1 virus. The way the bird nest Thanh Binh 50m. Nha Trang Pasteur Institute, said the number of samples tested positive for the H5N1 bird pattern bird life and death
In the report, there are issues raised were:
(1) The first is the one raising banquet facilities in Cham tower, 2,000 dead birds nest, birds nest mostly silk, this facility has over 100,000 residents in the bird. Birds die from the end of the month 3/2013 and all new swift government declared the week beginning 6-11/4/2013.
(2) In the form of dead birds in the nest Thanh Binh took eight samples positive for H5N1 live bird samples testing above the uninfected
(3) the weather is very hot, live birds nest in the dirty environment.
(4) Many homeowners do not believe the bird nest died of H5N1 infection and can only die in the nest environment too hot and too dirty
(5) In a message dated 4/11/2013 morning, said the swift VTC1 radio Thanh Binh has made misting cooling environment in the nest, the bird dies just over the decades.
(6) the provincial veterinary profession and local government with the remaining oat landlord, the landlord agreed nest inspection, sampling and bird live in the nest for testing. Currently being monitored 54 nests in the breeding Phan Rang - Thap Cham until 15/4. Every day, veterinary forces are sampling live birds nest, bird nests and feces in all households moved to HCM test. In the swift adoption of trade Co., Ltd Yen Vietnamese and services, veterinary forces conducted disinfection, disinfection to prevent disease spread outside.
(7) Has the spread of H5N1 in 50 m distance from the nest to the nest Thanh Binh of Cars. U.S. Customs is 1 dead bird.
(8) The number of samples taken at the birds nest Thanh Binh tested positive for the H5N1 bird life form hiding dead birds.
Information bird die-off in the swift Thanh Binh Phan Rang to swallow many homeowners learn shaken and bewildered many comments yet.
1 / - Birds nest died of H5N1, H5N1 infection source for birds nest of the nests Thanh Binh derives from?
On the afternoon of 02/07/2013, Assoc. TS. Nguyen Thanh Long in Steering Committee meetings, against dangerous diseases, said "H5N1 avian influenza has returned to Vietnam. After almost 2 years of no new cases appeared, from early 2012 to now, the country has recorded two cases of influenza A/H5N1 and 2 cases died in Kien Giang and Soc Trang.
According to MARD, from the beginning of 2012 H5N1 influenza in poultry have reappeared in Quang Tri, Thanh Hoa, Soc. In addition, Thai Nguyen, Bac Lieu, Ha Noi, Nghe An, Kien Giang had killed suspected avian influenza H5N1. Ministry of Agriculture and Rural Development have identified a new outbreak of H5N1 influenza outbreak on a large scale
Afternoon 11/4 Nguyen Xuan Binh - Director of the Animal Health Agency 6 - to know is "do not know the source of H5N1 infecting birds nest bird house from where Thanh Binh Ninh Thuan province because in recent years there is no avian flu. "
In the neighboring province of Ninh Thuan province where the birds nest Phan Rang-Thap Cham could fly insect prey is Khanh Hoa, Binh Thuan, Lam Dong were not detected avian H5N1 infected waterfowl and far more than half of the provinces of Phu Yen and Dong Nai has not detected any signs of emergence of H5N1 avian influenza.
And further in the two major centers birds nest is Gio City. Ho Chi Minh City, 11/4, Mr. Phan Xuan Thao - The Head of the Veterinary Department HCMC - that have enhanced control measures, monitoring birds nest in the city. Department of Animal Health has taken 12 sample birds nest birds nest in the area of ​​Gio waiting for H5N1 test results but before that, in 2012 and quarter 1/2013, the Veterinary Department has tested 94 samples of birds oats, the results were negative for H5N1. And the way 11/4, Tran Van Lam, deputy chairman of Go Cong Town, Tien Giang, said: "The whole town is 217 oat farmers, has not found the bird flu H5N1 infection"
On the morning of 04/13/2013, VTV 1 station in Dong Thap said an H5N1 infections.
So the death of oats oat breeding silk Thanh Binh where H5N1 infection and how infection in the region with a radius of 500-700 km wide absolutely no H5N1 avian flu, there are many inference:
- On the way home nest after hunting all day, usually in the habit bird bath in lakes, rivers, fresh water, and the water may have been infected with H5N1, infected bird baths and bird brought home infecting birds silk and silk dead birds should have positive signs. This is not true, there is no basis for the birds to eat away, eat all day is not breeding birds are not birds or silk are nesting period and the night has been identified as negative charged with H5N1. And the birds of the parent birds are dying silk, only food foraging at close range during the day because they are usually bird baits from 4-6 meters, is within close proximity of Ninh Thuan province is not providing H5N1 flu, and if so, why the bird does not live H5N1.
- Influenza H5N1 to infect insect resources in the surrounding areas and Phan Rang-Thap Cham in Ninh Thuan province, bird of prey clumping parents insects for birds feeding on silk, silk birds die quickly but bird parents due to the high resistance of H5N1 should not be. Thinking this way does not have any baseline data recorded in the past and if parent birds of prey have H5N1, even with high resistance, but with the frequency of 4-5 times / day for 40-45 days H5N1 is not impossible, but if you really have high resistance to loosening the H5N1 bird saliva that works well in preventing the disease from poultry and waterfowl.
- If there is a source of H5N1 appeared in the Phan Rang-Thap Cham, the remaining 53 swift really no way is not infected, but until now the host nest was cooperating with authorities and confirmation is not status silk bird and the bird killed is being closely monitored each day sampled birds, feces, nests to be tested. Although the way through 12/4 with an H5N1-positive dead birds from the bird's nest 50m Thanh Binh.
- Source H5N1 virus from poultry usually waterfowl have been infected, they spread rapidly spreading epidemic killing turned into mass poultry, waterfowl infected, so maybe in the swift Thanh Binh had flu virus source H5N1 stay home because this nest containing animal or bird captive waterfowl H5N1 infection was spread from there and kill silk birds nest here. This problem is not difficult information and also happens to a bird's nest Vietnamese companies can still occur if the management in place do not know the harm H5N1 infection, accidentally locked for temporary storage few chickens or fighting cocks, the chickens H5N1 infectious disease killing birds nest silk, because if chickens have died, bringing the rivers, landfills unknown or discarded instead toss rooms spread bird nest silk orchids to swallow.
Many birds nest are questions like H5N1 infection that is killing more than 4,000 meters of the bird's nests Thanh Binh for their failure to prevent the measures.

2 / - It's affordable oats oats Thanh Binh died too hot environment and dirty
- This often happens in many nests in the hot dry months but after finding dead birds, they adjusted silk nebulizer increased humidity and lower the temperature, the bird was no longer dying of silk or only few sporadic, no mass deaths. With the hot weather climates from between 3/13 and today, the temperature of the area Phan Rang-Thap Cham at 1 pm, 3-4 pm is recorded as above 39oC, 40oC is on top.
With this temperature, if handled well, capable of bringing the temperature from 2-4 pm in the swift adoption to 32-33oC, without follow-up care is not automatic misting machine to normal operation, the heat can not swallow the indoor 32-33oC to 35oC on the right. Bird's nests are located in the motor or beginner fly too weak to live in an environment too hot and too dirty bird discounts are not cleaned concentrations of toxic gases CO2, CO, H2S, NH3, SO2, SO, NO2, NO3 ... by bird guano decomposition creates increased 5-10 times higher or 100 meters will allow the birds are not anti poked, due to continuous live breathe air contaminated toxic gases.
Inference is consistent with the station's news VTC1 morning, after the swift 3/12/2013 Thanh Binh was cleaned, disinfection and fogging satisfactory reduced the number of dead birds fell A dozen of them, and if the results continue to repeat and dead birds are not the cause of the birds nest die silk can be clarified, but if so, 8 samples of dead birds tested positive for the H5N1 explain how.
- 8 thoughts about media issues information related to silk bird die-off, there are many ideas that silk bird died in the nest temperature is too hot and suffocating gases contaminated by function gas volume increases. After the death of H5N1 infected birds are staying in the distribution, in the dead bird's nests in the Binh Thanh ... because many samples of raw silk bird tests were negative for H5N1 and bird's nest the remaining 53 did not die here, although one H5N1-positive dead bird's nest near the nest design for years, Ninh Thuan province no avian influenza H5N1 occurred.
- Mr. Nguyen Xuan Binh - Director of zone 6 Veterinary Authority also stated that the "do not know where the source of infection for patients in Ninh Thuan province in recent years no bird flu" and he said the bird fly throughout the day and when the birds nest, a mother with a young bird so contagious disease is not as high and not as fast as other avian species.

3 / - The H5N1 bird virus that infected and they stay in the nest soon, it causes the user to nest.

- Infected with H5N1 live bird nests when nest is definitely infected with H5N1 bird's nest, but the bird live in the nest Thanh Binh, then negative for H5N1, and if infected, they will die within a very short time and so they will not have time to do the nest, or maybe the organization is doing. The question is what is the nest place for birds living silk, silk birds infected with H5N1 if the organization alive in the nest to be infected with H5N1
- According to Tran Tinh Hien said TS.BS eating bird nest H5N1 flu virus, the virus can infect, this is unlikely because the user does not eat oats oats that refined living. Oh. Hien also said the virus is normally found in the waste, guano, in low temperature environments, high humidity (in the nest), the virus can live for 2-3 days or 7-10 days or longer further, but they eat the birds nest was distilled, cooked at high temperatures, the virus should not be able to live H5N1 unlikely.
After the fact to obtain a nest, the nest is always stored in a dry environment, the temperature in the weather each day, the time of storage, cleaned out hair washed, dried, display and sale to consumers for takeaway or eat in place not less than 30 days, sometimes months or even years. And people used to eat before washing and cooked at a temperature of 90-100oC higher risk of H5N1 infection can hardly happen, as Hien TS.BS opinion.
- The danger to the user's nest toxic gas concentrations in the residual nest in nest refined, and limit the amount not allowed to affect the consumer. However, in the refining process, the concentration of the poison was washed out by water continuously.
- According Registered Office - Department of Animal Health's H5N1 bird can infect humans, such as avian influenza H5N1 in poultry should normally the birds nest, nest collection ... to perform labor protection, with masks, wash hands frequently with soap, disinfecting cages around ... to prevent H5N1. The processing of oats should also implement this prevention.


4 / - The nest in Malaysia, Indonesia, the cases have occurred silk bird die-off is not?
- We have discussed with many experts in Malaysia, Indonesia ..., they assert that no condition occurs silk bird die-off, the reason for their country's climate is tropical equatorial climate, islands, temperatures above 33oC warmer months Nhut new but rare, and humidity is usually 65-75% because of rain in a short time often occurs during the day, so the temperature and humidity in the nest are suitable habitat for the bird nest is 28 degrees Celsius and 75% humidity should be no such thing as death by hot chicks, environmental pollution caused by toxic gases from decomposing bird guano.
- Since 2000, the government here has made provisions for building, operating the nest, the nest all right here monthly bird guano clean, disinfect. They are not allowed to use the fresh bird feces odor attractive to birds that nest on the use of other sources of odor, bird guano for fertilizer decomposed. In Malaysia they are now classified and licensing standards for the export of bird nest is good hygiene. They are not licensed to use the broken nest bird nest cement because of the amount of cement additives in the nest.
- The rate of nest failure in these countries is higher than in Vietnam for reasons of technical


5 / - hygiene and epidemic prevention, disinfection in the nest
- In Malaysia and Indonesia hygiene, disinfection of the bird has been prescribed since 2000 and the host nest was made, there are companies dedicated to the collection cleaned the house nest periodically 30-45 days. However, in Malaysia (Penang) regulating the oats in the inner suburbs to move out there has been 8 years but have not done so far.
- Disinfection of infected oat Thanh Binh is over 4,000 died of H5N1 bird and is very easy made of silk, chemical disinfection may be chlorine, Choranim A, B and possibly because of the swift Ioded The H5N1 epidemic, bulk mass death ..
- For the oats in Vietnam are operating normally, periodic sanitary regulations bird guano cleanup, wash all floors can be done, but swift disinfection routine is difficult to implement because they fear strange smell from the chemicals used disinfection chased the bird away. And when not done cleaning, disinfection is the swift bird die-off situation may also occur for many other nests elsewhere.
- Currently in the fisheries sector is a new innovation solutions Nano Silver is used for disinfection, sterilization, deodorization, removal of toxic gases in the pond water.
Mechanism of catalytic decomposition of toxic gases in the swift Nano Silver by decomposing guano.
When using Nano Silver sprayed onto walls or water-mist, Nano Silver will become the catalytic reaction mechanisms:
Ag + O2 = AgO
AgO + HNO3 = AgNO3
AgNO3 + NH3 + H2O = [AgNO3] NH4OH (silver nitrate-amoniacat Complex)
[AgNO3] NH4OH easily decomposed into N2, H2O and AgO
Such concentrations of toxic gases CO2, CO, H2S, NH3, SO2, SO, NO2, NO3 ... in the oats will reduce a lot, especially during the preparation of Nano Silver can be used NH4OH characteristic odor suitable for the swift do not shock the bird away. Currently have a product that uses Nano Silver FUNKIL with Glucosamine (in the birds nest) and Tanali (Japanese vinegar) to eradicate mold in the swift and disinfection, this product can hopefully help the nest environment is better hygiene, disinfection of the nest with material.
We hope that with the general opinion of the owners of the nest and technical workers birds nest will be a small presentation to the relevant authorities look more professional help Vietnam to swallow Sustainability is the ability to resolve employment for many people and resources exports likely to withdraw each year several hundred million dollars.
And we're looking forward to the conclusion of the relevant departments on 15/04/2013 to determine the cause of dead birds infected with H5N1 bird silk ... to the host nest has more knowledge and experience to avoid epidemics are raising birds nest throughout Vietnam.


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I'm not arguing about whether or not the H5N1 bird that only the logical analysis of factors that press coverage:
1. Why information given from the from Mr. Lam - Vietnam Veterans Nest owner and he is very eager to take samples to be tested and known to the press for publication
2. Internal company with strong contradictions, from where his family owns Lam, now almost no longer working for Vietnamese Yen
3. The two sides fought for control of the nest to have the police intervene
4. If the service then why only dead chicks, adult birds no matter what and all the other birds are unharmed. This is contrary to the law of poultry died of H5N1 infection
5. Why did the government not take samples from the dead chicks take the test but the results of tests carried away Lam then heard screaming for water
6. The like to the swift, just spray insecticides per room, the very first room that morning birds rotating all
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Uncle note to all you Dum this question, because these are extremely important questions for thought article. I'm sorry I can not PM, so all is not enough.

- Infected with H5N1 live bird nests when nest is definitely infected with H5N1 bird's nest, but the bird live in the nest Thanh Binh is not negative for H5N1, and if infected, they will die within a very short time and as Therefore, we will not have time to do the nest, or maybe the organization is doing ...


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Groschien wrote:
Uncle note to all you Dum this question, because these are extremely important questions for thought article. I'm sorry I can not PM, so all is not enough.

- Infected with H5N1 live bird nests when nest is definitely infected with H5N1 bird's nest, but the bird live in the nest Thanh Binh is not negative for H5N1, and if infected, they will die within a very short time and as Therefore, we will not have time to do the nest, or maybe the organization is doing ...

This statement must be modified so that "the infected bird can not nest"

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duykhiemphuyen wrote:
Groschien wrote:
Uncle note to all you Dum this question, because these are extremely important questions for thought article. I'm sorry I can not PM, so all is not enough.

- Infected with H5N1 live bird nests when nest is definitely infected with H5N1 bird's nest, but the bird live in the nest Thanh Binh is not negative for H5N1, and if infected, they will die within a very short time and as Therefore, we will not have time to do the nest, or maybe the organization is doing ...

This statement must be modified so that "the infected bird can not nest"

No logic in the "non-negative" with the word "but" sir. So says the front is definitely infected.


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duykhiemphuyen wrote:
Groschien wrote:
Uncle note to all you Dum this question, because these are extremely important questions for thought article. I'm sorry I can not PM, so all is not enough.

- Infected with H5N1 live bird nests when nest is definitely infected with H5N1 bird's nest, but the bird live in the nest Thanh Binh is not negative for H5N1, and if infected, they will die within a very short time and as Therefore, we will not have time to do the nest, or maybe the organization is doing ...

This statement must be modified so that "the infected bird can not nest"

The main question is so that doctor! This sentence is an opinion word "no" and I was correct. Thanks for the suggestions of the doctor!


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Mr.Tran wrote:
duykhiemphuyen wrote:
Groschien wrote:
Uncle note to all you Dum this question, because these are extremely important questions for thought article. I'm sorry I can not PM, so all is not enough.

- Infected with H5N1 live bird nests when nest is definitely infected with H5N1 bird's nest, but the bird live in the nest Thanh Binh is not negative for H5N1, and if infected, they will die within a very short time and as Therefore, we will not have time to do the nest, or maybe the organization is doing ...

This statement must be modified so that "the infected bird can not nest"

The main question is so that doctor! This sentence is an opinion word "no" and I was correct. Thanks for the suggestions of the doctor!

Thank you, doctor. Since the article or should I see a need for people to understand and discuss.
Hopefully the answer will soon be obvious to nest industry continued sustainable development.


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Why only bird nests in the Binh Thanh theater influenza A H5N1 virus infection that the addition of a few dozen meters Nest uninfected child does not die?

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Gửi bài Posted: April 13, 2013, 14:02
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Million Being wrote:
Why only bird nests in the Binh Thanh theater influenza A H5N1 virus infection that the addition of a few dozen meters Nest uninfected child does not die?

This morning it was there in the 54 samples positive basis of other doctors and behold! sm=42sm=42sm=42


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Million Being
Post subject: Re: Thread 02: Birds bird positive for H5N1 died
Gửi bài Posted: April 13, 2013, 14:05
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YenSaoHoangSon wrote:
Million Being wrote:
Why only bird nests in the Binh Thanh theater influenza A H5N1 virus infection that the addition of a few dozen meters Nest uninfected child does not die?

This morning it was there in the 54 samples positive basis of other doctors and behold! sm=42sm=42sm=42


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