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 V4. Swiftlet Keeping Discussions, All About Swiftlet Keeping Industry

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aeiou228
post Apr 3 2012, 10:39 AM

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QUOTE(Cergau @ Apr 2 2012, 11:14 PM)
You may want to try an addition to your bottle trick....thread the cable through a wind mill...was shared on this forum many moons ago for the same problem and was reported to be successful.
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Dear Cergau, I have exhausted all possible keywords to search for the wind mill trick in this thread as well as the previous threads but to no avail. If possible can you provide the link to that post ?
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post May 17 2012, 05:06 PM

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QUOTE(West Wing @ May 17 2012, 04:34 PM)

Added on May 17, 2012, 4:45 pmAs for man made food for the swiftlets, no harm producing or buying although it will certainly draw in birds but whether staying or not shall be another topic to discuss.

If you have seen ants/termites fledgling time, then you shall understand as thousand of swiftlets can be seen feeding off the flying insects and how they know, it must be their keen sight to be able to see from so far away.

I admit that I never have use these food for swiftlets and did help some friends to buy. No positive feedback from any of them on the improvement/advantage of using them. Infact, I still have another 2 unused cans and I should have to use it myself in my new BH as I wasn't been paid for it by a friend that didn't come to collect them after been reminded many times. Next time, must collect payment before helping to order...........Tak untong kena rugi lagi. 

Anyone here using the swiftlet's feed here?
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Tried it before but not helping whatsoever.
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post May 18 2012, 05:57 PM

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QUOTE(Bobby C @ May 18 2012, 05:15 PM)
Once saw fruit flies at the roving 1 mth after activating insect fed and at the same time swiftlets flying low at chest height believe feeding on flies. Usually they fly high nearer to ceiling. 

Some increase in nests not sure coincident. But only 1 bucket of fed weight 3kg, wonder how much insect can it produce? Tuck Fook kind of mass production more effective lah. Home made few buckets type just extra junk foods. Probably helps just for few not main colonies.

IMO more benefit to those selling insect fed than benefit the birds. Home made cheaper but how much can you make. 1 lorry of EFB or cow dung more effective anytime.
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Fruit flies powder not cheap and needs at least 5 days to be activated, once the powder fermented, it emits overwhelming rotten smell in the roving room. Not sure the birds like or dislike the strong smell though. I gave up the powder method and replaced it lower cost fruit flies attractant hormone and placed it at the main LMB. Yes it attracted a small number of fruit flies without the need to produce it but due to my BH design flaw, (I need to walk pass 3 nesting floors in order to replace the hormone placed on the edge of LMB located at the top floor) I don't want to kacau the birds inside the nesting room, thus I discontinued this method too.

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post Jun 10 2012, 12:59 PM

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I can't read what's in your mind by just looking at the sketch. Where is the LMB and LAL ?
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post Jun 10 2012, 04:55 PM

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I'm no sifu, but my gut feeling tells me that birds don't like hindrances and obstacles in their flying path. If I were you, I prefer no partition or 2.5' hanging partition from the ceiling for colony segregation purposes.

As for the Pond on the roof, if the purpose is to attract birds or act as a heat insulation shield, my opinion is that it is too much a hassle. No water leaking problem yet ??



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post Jun 10 2012, 07:29 PM

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I've seen enough BH with dried roof top or internal ponds. The owners gave it up after a while. Reasons being water leaking problem, hassle of maintenance, mosquitoes breeding ( I doubt fish can survive in such harsh water and environment) etc etc.
Regular roof top visits for pond maintenance work will disturb the birds in the BH.
Last but not least, No pond for BH license.

As for the partition, I like the idea of birds fly freely in the nesting room as if flying in a small cave. Minimum obstacles.

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post Jun 11 2012, 04:31 PM

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post Jun 11 2012, 05:45 PM

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If you like partitions, why not install 3' hanging partition ? Serve the purpose of lights blocking and colony segregation yet provide obstacle free flying path in the bh.
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post Jun 21 2012, 12:13 PM

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QUOTE(West Wing @ Jun 21 2012, 11:49 AM)
Oh Boy! When you post that 200Kgs only Rm1300/Kg and I was thinking maybe I will buy cos even 10 days ago, I was offered Rm1500 for corners and your's must be a blessing if I am a buyer with mostly AB, I think. Just imagine, at Rm2K, I shall make quite alot for a long Holiday @ China, my @2nd. Home...joking only....no news to my wife or I sleep in the hall tonight.

Where to keep these nests cos my store is full with my own. Now, EBN seem to be the cheaper type of health food in the market with others going up and up as people are aware of healthy living. Instead of trying hard of seling to buyers, try selling gms wise to locals and you can sell @ Rm4K/per K this way. I have already started selling cleaned nests @ Rm6K now to locals and no complaints as many want to buy, cook and eat immediately. Have you ever wonder the difficulties in cleaning a nest if you don't know the method cos once, a guy bought 200 gms from me and came back a week later to buy cleaned nests. He told me that he throw away the nests after the impossible task of trying to remove all feathers and in the end only making him almost blind and frustrated and throw everything down the dustbin including the bowl and tweeter.

Maybe, you can think over my suggestion of doing something to help to pay off your Along.
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Uncle ww, Ive been asking you how to clean EBN for reselling purposes (not for self consumption)before but still waiting for your vast knowledge sharing in this thread. Can you kindly share with us? notworthy.gif Your suggestion is good and practicle to small time farmers and I think I want to sell processed EBN too for better pricing.

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post Jul 20 2012, 10:44 AM

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QUOTE(philoswiflet @ Jul 20 2012, 06:16 AM)
To Patrons of Jalan Pasar shops,

Regarding the electronics shops at Jalan Pasar; any particular better shops to recommend? Better meaning well stock in terms of the ranges of inventories for swiflet farming usages and reasonable prices and more or less honest sellers that do not sell consumers faulty equipment or junks.
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Go to Darson Electronic

It has few shops within the same vicinity, inside e-Mall also has an outlet. But I prefer to go to Darson main shop next to e-Mall. The boss (from Johor I think) is also a swiftlet keeper, he has BHs all over the country. Darson not only sell amps and tweeters for BH, it also sells fake nets, harvesting scalper/net, timer, desktop magnifying glass with LED and many other EBN related products ( at second floor).
I like to buy from Darson because the after sales repair fee is reasonable. Just recently, I got a burned amp fixed for RM30 only.

Btw, they even have swiftlet sounds to test on the amps.
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post Jul 20 2012, 10:33 PM

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QUOTE(philoswiflet @ Jul 20 2012, 08:33 PM)
Hi aeiou228,

Thanks a lot for your info.
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You are most welcome, pls share your shopping experience at jln pasar too.
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post Sep 26 2012, 01:59 PM

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Hi Sifu,

Is it possible to courier about 500gm of RAW NESTS to a home address in Singapore ?


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post Oct 25 2012, 12:04 AM

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QUOTE(northface @ Oct 24 2012, 04:12 PM)
Need some advice from sifus here. Lately my BHs have very serious flea problem, go into BH fleas crawl all over my feet and you all know how itchy it is for a few days to weeks after these fleas bite you.

I've sprayed Fendona in my BHs every 2 weeks and everything seems under control, but the Fendona is very expensive la, one litre bottle like $70-80? Any cheaper alternatives or any other brand name that kills those BH fleas more efficiently?
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A forumer bought it early this year for RM65 in Brickfield.
http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...post&p=48355816

You can't spray Fendona too often, the flea can develop resistance to Fendona. A resistance management planning must be adhere to otherwise the effectiveness of Fendona would be greatly reduced.
Spray once every quarterly to be on the safe side.
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post Nov 1 2012, 11:13 AM

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QUOTE(philoswiflet @ Oct 31 2012, 11:58 PM)
Hi WW,

Instructions for uploading photo/image file to forum:

1) At FAST REPLY, see and click MORE OPTIONS

2) Down the bottom, see FILE ATTACHMENTS

3) Click the BROWSE button and navigate to find your photo/image file at FILE UPLOAD box (for example if store at DESKTOP)

4) Then click to select the file

5) Then click to select ADD THIS ATTACHMENT and soon you will see a file of your photo/image registered under FILE ATTACHMENT that give you details of the name of the file and its size 

6) Then finally, click ADD REPLY
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post Nov 13 2012, 08:44 AM

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QUOTE(West Wing @ Nov 12 2012, 07:50 PM)
Let me teach you a way to make back some of the lost income from EBN.

Process you own nests and the most easier and simplest way is to do it into cake form and if you are at my age (cannot focus near too well), employ someone SYT  to do the job.
Let say you employ one @ Rm600/month and even new young girl can easily clean  1.5K  (100% cleaned) in a month.
Calculation/justification:
1. 1 Kg of patahan or 3S birdnest can only fetch @  Rm1K Max.. presently
2, Cleaning worker cost even 1Kg per month            Rm600
Total cost of birdnest            Rm1,600
You can easily sell the nests @ Rm3500/Kg and faster if you sell at smaller quantity like few hundreds grams giving you additional income of about Rm1300 per month per worker more than selling those rejects @ less than Rm1K. Id you don't believe, check it out @ medical shop and you will find that you are giving special offer @ this price.
Addition to this, you can proudly claim that your nests are 100% pure and direct from the farm…. just like what I preached all the time.

Thank me later when you sell more than 10K of nests and roughly about Rm13,000 more………
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Cake form ? Can elaborate more in terms of size and shape ?
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post Nov 13 2012, 12:24 PM

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QUOTE(West Wing @ Nov 13 2012, 10:58 AM)
"Yen Pien" and maybe someone can provide pic of it here for our friend. Well, size and shape can come in many other shapes like heart if you are going for the V day sale or come out with special designs for special occasion....only if you come out with the mold of your design.
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I guess this is what you were referring to as "cake form" ?

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post Nov 14 2012, 11:27 AM

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QUOTE(analaiser @ Nov 14 2012, 09:31 AM)
Sifus,

If I were to service loan RM3k per month, to breakeven 500 birdnest is required in the BH assuming birdnest selling price is RM3K per kg.  Every month harvest 500 bn X 0.2 equal to 100 bn per month which translates to RM3K. In short so long there are 500 bn in e bh, i can get RM 3k per month which will enable me to service BH loan. Is the calculation correct? But then again is it easy to get so many bn given that there are 66BH constructed simultaneously in that particular area? Sure got stiff competition.
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Let help you to include the worse case scenario factor in your feasibility working paper to help making a more accurate decision.
Assuming your BH fail to generate income, below are the costs you need to bear.
Loan Interest rate: 7.6% p.a.
Loan amount: RM380k
Cash deposit: RM250k
Loan interest cost :RM29k per year.
Loss of FD interest income : RM10k per year
Total cost of holding each year if no income from BH : RM39k
Total cost incurred if no income for 4 years: 630k + (39x4) = RM786k

Can the shop sold for rm786k if you decide to give it up ?

The above excludes initial internal setup cost, maintenance, overheads, traveling, AES summons sweat.gif , your executive time loss, Panadol and Dormicum, Cukai pintu, etc etc ...


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post Nov 22 2012, 03:36 PM

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QUOTE(West Wing @ Nov 19 2012, 01:49 PM)
Since I have no time to take nests out and I am banned by my wife for venturing too often to China ( just kidding), someone please forward some proofs if nests really cannot be taken out at our airports... then, we got good reasons to bombard these Dato and gang.... He even told me that VHM or any other certifications can easily obtained and if I encounter any difficulties, he would help me out..........but I wasn't interested al all with the processing of nests in the first place.
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Here's the proof back in Dec 2009. Not sure if it still valid though.
http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...post&p=30415392
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post Nov 28 2012, 08:13 AM

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QUOTE(alvin8866 @ Nov 27 2012, 10:20 PM)
Guys, I would like to do a online payment. I have no idea about swift account/payment. Can someone explain it?

Thanks in advance

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Wrong thread Bro.

Swift code for overseas remittance and swiftlet birds are two different things.
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post Jan 16 2013, 01:14 PM

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The China Press reported that farmers received smses from buyers that if their BHs are equipped with RFID, the buyer will pay higher price of RM2100 for their BN, whereas BHs without RFID, will get lower price below RM1k.

Who is the supplier of RFID for BH ??

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