I was really thinking of the BH @ agriland and since I am doing one and planing to use LEDs aroung the entrance holes and also surrounding the BH so that anyone near the BH will be notice from far away and only the high initial cost and with so low electricity and no maintenance; just a thought to consider.

I bought some of the LED downlight and remove the diffuser plastic and without the diffuser, the super bright light shall scare off any predator wanting to enter the holes. You may on it every night and they still work years after years and cost so little to you. Since the LED is sealed off with epoxy therefore it is water proof and nothing to break.

Just thinking of it for myself and really haven't got any secret weapon hiding or else, I surely share as always.... any comment

Q: If LED’s need a heat sink,
why do people say they give off no heat?

A: LED's do give off heat. But significantly less compared to traditional (incandescent and flourescent) bulbs. Let’s look at the incandescent lamp one more time. They operate by making the filament so hot that it glows, or incandesces. Basically its 92% heat, and 8% light. Not a real good return for your energy. Fluorescents are much better. Both the linear and twister lamps are about 30% heat, and 70% light. Pretty darned good improvement over incandescent, wouldn’t you say? Sure enough, moving over to the LED, we have roughly 92% light, and 8% heat. That isn’t much heat at all, and unfortunately, there’s some folks out there making claims of “no heat” but this is really not the truth. This small percentage of heat is clearly a vast improvement, but because this small amount of heat is in such a tiny volume it has to be addressed. By that I mean it must be removed from the LED or the LED die, and that’s why there’s a heat sink. Most of the manufacturers will tell you a lot about how to best manage the heat, given some technical parameters. If you’re buying a complete LED lighting system, all this is already done for you. Many manufacturers include a overheat circuit breaker in the light. The big thing to watch out for is that the manufacturer has to do it right. Otherwise, you’re going to be sorely disappointed!

From the net

Well, all I can say that this is certainly the only "1Manusia" site where we all give our true honest views to share with all races, religions or creeks without hesitation nor greed........Whereas "1Malaysia" is only in words only till now.

Just a few weeks ago, many shop owners here got notice from MPK to put 1Malaysia Logo on their sigh board or face a fine. What's a shame! I went to the MPK and told the guys selling the stickers off by telling him that 1Malaysia should be from the heart and not force to and how shameful to force the raayat to pay for the stickers to show that they are for "1Malaysia".

1M should be from the heart but never dream to be forced into buying and placing tiny 1M stickers(Rm4) on the sign board or else face a fine. I gladly will place a sq meter "1Malaysia" display if allowed to but will not if being threaten a fine. Being a Pro BM all my life, I am thinking of voting for opposition this coming election....sorry for alittle of politic out of anger here to lower my blood pressure...

By the way, what has happened to all those talkings on clearing the air for the export of EBN to China and hopefully, the VDept does not just allow a few guys the rights to export EBN. Then, we will soon see that same like "100% BIRDNESTS, PRODUCT OF SINGAPORE" like our rambutan and other fruits.

"Should destiny decide for you
Or
You decide your destiny"

Fact is that at present, Chinese do not have faith in Malaysian Nests due to the scandal and at present, the Indo nests seem to be more in demand. Malaysia do not have the Red Nests but "Lembu punya susu, Sapi dapat nama nya" as this case is the BAD image......maybe, due to some BAD Malaysians cooperating with our neighbouring country to pass the contaiminated nests as Malaysian nests and so we all need to suffer for many more months to come.

Hopefully, we shall regain our former glory in a few years time and hope that in 2012, people will forget the bad past that happened like the milk scandal and start taking our nests like before.

We all shall learn thru this lesson and learn well so that in future, we shall not allow our greed to take the better of us....

For the past many years, only Malaysia and SIngapore can export fowl products to China due to the Chicken viruses in this region and Malaysia being Free from the viruses. Also that our country has long friendship with China, thus we do not have to pay duty/taxes on the EBN but not our neighbouring EBN countries like Indonesia, Vietnam and Thailand.

Although Free of Taxes, all we need to pay is Sales Tax in advance which the end users will have to pay when buying EBN @ shops but then, most of the nests in China are smuggled into China thru HongKong for years and all were mostly Indonesian nests which did not even have to pay the Sales Tax. Indonesian bought our nests to sell as their better nests as the Indo nests were mostly inferior type due to contamination and pollution.

For that reason, Indo were coming here to buy our nests at a better price than they offered in their own country. All the while, they did not required to export thru Malaysia but only recently due to the harassment from the Chinese Authorities that they need our fellow Malaysian to do the export as Products of Malaysia and by doing so, cost do go up as the exporters need to pay service charges to local guys and also Sales Tax. One thing funny was that they do not need to declare the type of EBN like white or Red as Malaysia peninsular in particular do not have any real Red nests, if they did, the Authorities in China should have knew then that the nest were not of Malaysia originally. Also, we don't know if Chinese in China know how to make RED nests and if they do, thy may have done so in China itself so maybe also bleaching in China so why put all blame to Us.....Malaysian maybe the Victim in the whole Affair....created to cause our downfall as we Malaysia did offended big TKs in exporting EBN directly to China which for centuries done by HK supported by Indo.

Even in the earlier postings at the forum, someone did let us know on how to do Red Nests if anyone care to check it out but then nobody even bother cos it's never was our business on what they do with the nests as the demand of Red Nests were really popular in China and Rich Chinese only took Red Nests and Corporate Gifts to Government Officials are all in Red and should be the Big Red Ones which were mostly from the most dirtiest super sized nests which is really very cheap but when processed in to RED Nests which could be sold up to RMB60K per Kg in China Outlets. The producers of such nests make tons of money while the rich, powerful and famous in China are suffering from poison for years without knowing because they buy the advertisement that RED is the Best and nothing can persuade them from not taking RED ones and that I did tried years ago in China but failed.

When you hurt the powerful in China and this is what happened.....

Above are what I know and share but maybe wrong and if someone wish to comment on it, welcome and share but pls. no bad mouth as all I want is to share.

This post has been edited by West Wing: Jan 11 2012, 05:09 PM

WITHOUT PREJUDICE

Proper governing is good but I am scared that worst will come but I hope that I am wrong for all sake!!!

Like all products, once controlled tnen permit will be issued to only a few people with connection with the authorities and that will very bad. With the right to export, they will control the market price of the EBN and they will buy low and sell high and those wanting to sell may have to pay high service charges to them for the right to export. Like presently MChip required to export nests, once they enforce it but only issuing to a few selected ones, then other exporters will need to export thru these guys using their MChip cos no one will know the differences as where the nests are from?

Just look around you and you shall see what happen to everything begining with the AP which each fetch RM30K and who getting all the APs!!! Even Halal certification isn't spare, ask around you will notice for non Muslim to export or sell Halal food, you really need to fork up alot of money for the Halal Certification. Why non Muslim owned food buz managed by Muslim need to pay huge UT money to do Halal buz while Muslim owned Buzs managed by non Muslim have no restriction.

Can't blame all on the Authorities as they aren't so smart to think of these dirty tactics and only Chinese/Indian buz minds can think of it cos many of these problems are specially engineered by Malaysian Chinese/Indian esp. those converted to Muslim for the purposes only to make fortune.

> above, No Prejudice or else, you will see me in jail.

VDept requirement that the source of the nests must be identified before that nests can be exported and so each batch of nests to be exported must have the Chip code to determine of the source to ensure that any problem can be trace back to the source. Good intention but under greedy hand, all will be as corrupted like all Laws and Regulations in Malaysia where money could buy its faith.

All the Chinese want is that our VDept issue certification that our nests are safe but our authorities are not doing so unless they can be sure that our nests are safe for consumption. When there is money, everybody want a share and we shall see other depts coming in for the KILL and we shall see that to export or to have a BH, one will soon need to have so many premits or licenses to operate and I truly hope that I am wrong and foresee wrongly.

Wish that the authorities view our comments here and not joining in the KILL......for the raayat!!!!!

MOH just came in recently after the RED nests affair but an exporter wanted only the code so that he can export the nests to China trouble free. If I am not wrong, DVS certification is only required for anywhere in the world and never require MOH involvement except for this particular case when the Health Department came into the scene.

Whether it is good or bad is up to the future to see but I rather have one department handling the matter and make the exporters responsible for the quality of nests exported...

It's history that we all knew how the RED nests or Bleaching is done but no one even bother then. Just set the reasonable standard and the people involved ( The Exporters) to ensure that no dirty tricks when exporting and what happen later is the fault of the importers. Do you think that the Chinese merchants in China are honest and clean?? NO! many are playing very dirty and will cheat if given a chance to do so. This, I have experienced many times over the years of dealing with Chinese of China and was cheated a few times.

We all heard of the Chinese were here to discuss about our export of EBN to China but do anyone know that they mostly discuss were the export of processed nests to China which we don't have as we only have mostly unprocessed nests.

What is needed to be able to export unprocessed nests and MOH failed to understand this and go ahead and get approval for the processed nests and they don't even allowed representatives from the Fed. Swiftlet Association to be present to give their opinion.

All these are from what I heard as the situation got so bad that our Fed Secretary even wanted to tender in his resignation over the matter and all because the Malaysia authorities didn't understand that Malaysia all these while exported mostly unprocessed nests to China and having the Nests to follow the standard for processed nests; all of us shall die cos there is not enough nest processing plants in Malaysia to process the nests.

Wanting to promote downstream EBN industries is very good but not now, 1. we must have enough factories build before we allow only processed nests to export.
2. We must allow trained Indo EBN workers to come freely to work in our plants and train Malaysian workers but this isn't easy as we experience with Indo Maid, plus overhead charges will be killing you.
3. Our best nest cleaning plant will definitely has less than a hundred and how to cope up with our unprocessed nests.

Above are what I heard cos I am not in the Fed committees and anyone here that can give a clearer picture is appreciated.

Hey Friend!!!!

Don't use ant poison to kill the ants or else, we may end up with another storm before this storm end.....Ant poison.

Just rinse the nests again and fan dry them; very dry and store the nests air tight container if you don't have a chiller..and it will stay white longer as the little bit of possible shit does not dissolve into nest to turn it brownish fast. Also, remember to put them in dry and dark place not expose to the sun cos sunlight will turn nests brown.

Don't build one but rather buy one now if you are interested cos many are selling and more will sell off if situation continue. Cheaper to buy then to build one. We are already in deep water and we don't need bystanders to throw stone at us. If not lending a helping hand then rather not help and create more difficulties in the near future.

Wanna build your own one, wait and see if this storm clear or not and if persist, invest elsewhere or buy into MAEBD&TC for 1Malaysia Birdnest Export Share and maybe that will give you more security for my money.

I rather die now then suffer another stroke again and again. We are not the only one country having EBN but rather only 15% of the total nests far behind Indonesia and Thailand and very soon,we shall be No.4 behind Vietnam like everything we have before due to wrong intervention. The Govt. should help to promote the industry but never try to monopolise it. Give out permit to export to any Malaysian who can abide with the regulations and not just to afew C..ny.

I smell fish...rotton fish and more rotten fishes.

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Added on January 17, 2012, 1:49 pm[Malaysian bird's nests to re-enter China in April]

Above Headline make me wonder from now till April, where the Chinese are getting their nests????

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Added on January 17, 2012, 1:57 pmAlso in April, how are we going to allow exporting nests to China??? One must has the 3 Certificates and are these Cs open to all are just for a few selected ones? How long to get the 3Cs? I heard that requirements are very strict and your plant need to be inspected fully like having even dust proof door.

No talking about unprocessed nests at all??? Are we allow to export unprocessed nests? Are we then at the mercy of the EBN cleaners????

Too, many Questions without any Answer?

This post has been edited by West Wing: Jan 17 2012, 01:57 PM

Some of us here did have a share in getting us in the present trouble but then all were past and we all should look forward toward a better future. I think that we shouldn't laugh at others when all of us are in such bad situation and maybe help if possible but never put salt in to already deep open wound caused by those greedy ppls but the rest of us like me do have our share to be blame as we never tried hard enough to prevent such incident from happening although we knew of it long ago and some maybe forsee the problem will be expose later.

Just for discussion, phone up to the Puchong processing plant and ask for a quote for your nests. You need send there personally to get a valuation for your nests and you disagree with their quote, then you may take the nests back; how dangerous to take back your nests as someone may just rob you of your nests. What you get is Rm2000 to 2300 per Kg and only interested in A nests. Other nests not interested, so how much of your nests will past the standard required so better to smuggle out the nests.

What's about corners and broken and dirty nests; how much does it worth?
Since CNY is near, better enjoy eating your own nests and maybe, make a few dishes out of EBN and enjoy the nests for it's the only opportunity like this that you can afford to live like a Emperor and eat birdnests for breakfast, lunch, dinner and supper and even " Long Hou" with it.

Meanwhile, Let's all forget about the birdnests and enjoy the CNY with joy and happiness cos only with happiness and joy will bring a better New Year.

"KONG XI FA CAI" and "Dragon" will be a Great Year for all.

This post has been edited by West Wing: Jan 18 2012, 03:29 PM

[Noh said the Government would not be held responsible for products without the “1Malaysia Best” logo. Noh said previously only a Veterinary Services Department certificate was needed but due to the decline in quality, additional requirements had been added. He added that only eight companies had acquired the certificates so far.] from News Reported.

Does that mean that the VDept isn't doing its work right and efficiently and the Agriculture and Agro-Base Industry Minister has kicked the VDept between the legs! or am I wrong???

Below, my opinion only

I would suggest a better way is still to have the only Veterinary Dept Certification but under a sub committee dealing with EBN comprising of the 3 departments or more if and when necessary under the supervision of the VDept and in this way, we can have all departments under one head without a case with too many cooks. Do we really need 1 for everything for the No.1 is to earn but not just by proclamation.

What is the use of always taking about one stop centre and now, we even split the one into three and maybe more in the near future. Also, this will save faces for the Veterinary Dept.....which has done alot for the industry.

This post has been edited by West Wing: Jan 18 2012, 08:13 PM

You may want to try GYM of Klang and his shop has almost everything you need for Birdhouse.

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Added on January 19, 2012, 2:40 pmOne Exporter of EBN came to have Coffee talk with me on export of nests and he told me after many months, he only has 1 certificate and he is still waiting for another 2 more.

What piss me off is that he paid Rm20K+ to a consultant/expert who has the string, connection and reputation on it to do it for him. How many of us can afford RM20K for the 3 certificates! So, what leave us if we are to apply; a year, 2years maybe never in our life. In afterlife, I believe YLW, Emperor of Hell will be more lenient with us in the application for export right.

By the way, how many of us here do process the 3 certificates and really how many of the 8 approved holders are BH owners. If ABCDEFG and H are in the same gang, what that leave us....to the guillotine !!!!!

Fear and scare for the whole communities of Bh owners. Not for me cos I am not interested in doing exporting of EBN buz and rather wish others be given opportunity to do it if they want but never allow just a few to monopolise like everything else. Where are the so called Raayat Right Groups or the MCA or GERAKAN or others always boosting of defending raayat. Don't give us Angpow of Rm100, Rm200 or Rm500 cos it will last less than 1 month, help us to earn our living by giving us back the opportunity; fair chances without one hand tied behind our back.

We are not beggars. The proverb that say that " Don't just give me fishes but teach me how to fish and I can have fishes for the rest of my life" should now be " I know how to fish without you teaching me but just allow me to go to the river"...........how do you expect me to fish when I am not allow to be by the river.

AH JIB KO maybe a kind and caring PM but he isn't effective without the cooperation of his generals which I see far lacking in quality and faithfulness not to mention COR........




This post has been edited by West Wing: Jan 19 2012, 02:40 PM

Hey my friend,

Really bad taste to put the pic here, I would say. Opinion may differ but She's after all the "The First Lady of Malaysia".

Gong Xi Fa Cai to you and family.

Something to ponder as CNY is still not with us and we aren't working.

If nitrite appear normally in birdnest and people have been eating birdnest for hundreds of years and are very healthy eating them, why is the problem now??? Although, I am against those additives to birdnests or even giving supplementary food to swiftlets inorder to produce bigger nests or even whiter nests for that matter.

Nitrite in certain food are bad for health but maybe a necessary ingredient that promote good health in the case of birdnest but I am no scientist but it don’t take a scientist to know. Even today science may not be able to prove that nitrate or nitrite for that matter in natural form as in birdnest is bad for health. And when cooking will remove and dilute the N’s to much lower PPM. We never encourage or even allow artificial additive of such matter into birdnest although the Food and Drug Administration allow these compounds to be used as food additives as long as they are of food grade and only in the amount needed. The FDA maximum amount of nitrite allowed in smoked and cured fish and meat is 200ppm!!!!

What’s about Chinese waxed ducks and preserved meat that we import from China esp. for CNY, these products must have even more without the FDA supervision. Didn’t the MOH or other Departments inspect these products or that our lives are of no value at all.

Just watch again Bruce Lee's movies and you see yourself bigger than what you are as Size isn't always matter and sometime, being bigger and taller is worst. Like falling, tall people often break a bone or two. "The taller you are, the harder you fall"

Since we are in holiday mode, did you heard of a true story that happened to me?

Long ago, 2 JPJ officers stop me and asked me for my driving lessen and I asked why. They said that 1 overtook another car at double lines which I told them that I didn't but I knew that they wanted me to follow them and pay bribe. When I tried to reason with them, they shouted at me, "Kalau tak puas, jumpa diMahkamah".

This, I did and went to see the head of JPJ at my area and explained to him. He sympathized with me but told me to pay a compound of RM50 only instead of Rm300 because JPJ cannot cancel summon issued and only court can. I can pay but don't agree to admit guilty.

So, I went to court which is over 200 km away not just once, twice and over 6 times driving as early as 5 AM everyday to be in time for the case in one year to hear each time hearing the court calling my name and then told me that it's postpone again and again.

Over that period, I met 3 indian lawyers at the court's canteen and they laughed and said, " If Malaysian are all like you, Man with Principle, We lawyers are all very rich, Ha, hahahahaha" Dammed these Indian Lawyers!!!! Even my wife told me to just pay the compound of Rm50 and forget about the matter. I told my wife that just if you happen to walk by a shop and the giant sized shop owner come out and told you to clean away the shit infront of his shop cos he said that you did it as you are the only one that walk pass his shop. What do you do; just wipe the shit off and say sorry or just ignore him and may end up being beaten.

I won the case and got my principle intact but I spend over 4K on the case. I wanted to sue JPJ to get back my money but my lawyer told me that JPJ cannot be sue for this and is it worth 4K for a Rm50 fine and to admit guilty?


STAND TALL, my friends

This post has been edited by West Wing: Jan 21 2012, 02:27 PM

I think the problems don't lie with China Authorities but with our own cos they don't know what to do. The Chinese willing to allow EBN with our Govt. recommendations on the PPM but it is our side that told them that we can provide 0%PPM.

Just give the Chinese the true picture and the Chinese isn't stupid and those that came to Malaysia were infact Professors and Scientists well verse in EBN. They know about the PPM in natural nests but our side don't and that's why the mess is about.

Our sides are so fickle minded due to lack of knowledge on the EBN and make changes here and there and I guess, the Chinese are infact laughing at us on how we are to solve the problems which we created. In the mist of all, our team are thinking of how to make money by creating like " Export Tolls" and you need to pay to export or that "export "AP" you may need to pay to go thru to export.

Either way, we lose but then, they still cannot decide which way to do it and maybe which way will bring in better returns for the days ahead......I just guess. That's why "1Malaysia" permit come into scene......anyway, your guess is as good as mine cos like all, driving schools, annual car inspection for example, just pay enough and you get it pass; shit or no shit.

CYN is near, best go to Genting and make bets cos that way, head I win and tail, I lose unless they come up with no head or tail coin!!!!

Gong Xi, Gong Xi...
"GONG XI FA CAI"

Don't play "Tong Tong Chang, Tong Tong Tong Chang, Tong Chang Tong Chang!!!!!!" cos it may mean "Steal Everything, Steal Everything" in Mandarin.....joking lah.

"Honest Government, Happy People, Caring Government, Blessed People"

Have a Happy and Blessed New Dragon Year