No news is good news.

Good news, we will know the result after election, have few months of good sleep. We are not in the position to sell our votes to political parties to support us, town keepers. We will only vote to elect Clean govt with no corruption and parties that don't just Pembangkang all the way and forgot that they are there to help us.

Bad news, bird's nests price is dead and still dead. Demand is dead and still dead. The demand had nothing to do with whether our bird's nest has zero limits of nitrite but it is how we going to build up the image of bird's nests as a healthy supplements and this will takes years to redevelop.

the govt think we can move but they never think after we move then who going to support our family? can you create 400,000 jobs for us? we know nothing except cut nests and clean bird shits. that means, we are just hard laborer, or Chap Kong if u wish to call us. Maybe the govt can set up a 1Malaysia Buang Sampah Koperasi For Ex-Bird's Nests Keeper and we can tender for contracts to buang sampah for the govt...Maybe Khalid, and Ronnie Tieu are kinds enough to grant us the contract.

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Added on February 20, 2012, 9:11 amBefore we move, please move all the burgers stalls, and street peddlers from the street as it is threatening and polluting the longkang and surrounding area and we are not able to sleep as it is noisy till wee hours.

But then when we think of their family and why they have to do that, they are just trying to make a living to support their family...no way the govt can help all of them, we know that.

Same goes keepers in town that are been lured by our govt that encourage us to do it in town and now tape us illegal. Have u ever think it this way? You got ur own family to support? where u get the salary? From your tuhan or from the rakyat?

Turn off the sounds. Just turn it off. that we need to sacrifice.



This post has been edited by ChanK: Feb 20 2012, 09:11 AM

Bird's nests prices betul betul dead....

All are predicting it will remain the same for few more years to come.

rainy days for anothe three years?

dengar harga akan jatuh lain bulan, lagi turun tiga ratus satu kilo.

while indonesians, thai's, vietnamese are only worrying about prices, we have to worry about prices n survival. those who can afford already build farms in agri last year...just before the prices collapsed...now they worry about prices and how long it takes to start making money...

some ask, why no birds?? already two months...wait lah...wait somemore loh.

some ask, die lah, this kind of prices...bila boleh start profitable...wait lah....wait somemore loh.

some ask, how to sell at this price?....wait lah.....wait somemore loh.....if u can wait....wait lah....

hahahaha...

ask two buyers :

one said, better sell as next month prices will drop another few hundred.

one said, prices will shot up few hundreds next month.

so, who to believe? ..hahaha...sell half and keep half. just in case prices drop, u don't feel sad as u already sell half. if prices goes up, u still feel happy as u still have half of the goods and u can sell it at higher prices.

but lately, buyers are getting active back this week....last few weeks if u call, they just said, we will call u when we have buyers..

while waiting for our final destination to hohlan...maybe it is good to invest to buy some more lands as lately the market not so crazy liao, and the prices already stable..buy now keep for three years and sell at 200% untung maybe can cover our loses.

and again, how many can afford to do just that?...not many.

To check if the market of bn is getting better, just see how often nests processors come in here n comments, then u know they are back at work loh...hahaha...

so, now we know thai prices is rm1.8 to 2.0, what i know, indon selling at rm1.10, rm1.35 to rm1.75.

The demand is picking up as another big gang is starting to collect this week. cross finger to sell higher than 2.2.

Actually no one force us to sell,u can keep till another 100 years also can. i wish i can keep too. but all my legal ah loongs, cinb, armbank, pubicbank, citybank are side cornering me for interest...so what to do?.

today, one of our senior complained in newspaper, ` I don't think the govt know how many malaysians depends on this industry to survive', `without this industry n this income, u want us to sell 4D to make a living?, sell nests make a living better or sell 4D?, `with the ban of sending 1kg by mail or handcarry, 60,000 farmers will have nothing to eat.

So, lets see how the prices affected from here.

we faced so many challenges for so many years for so so many times, it is nothing new....just relax n don't go heart attack then go up back 4k also no use liao.

when come to price prediction, always remember whether tht guy is collectors, processors, middleman or etc....most of the times, they just gives out false info.....kena so many times liao...

my opinion, if can hold, hold it for good sake as the market will not be flood with too many nests, and let those who is desparate to sell it off first. never blame them as it is a free trade market mah.

Cambodia good place to invest!. when malaysia govt shut us down, all the birds will fly over there for sure. guaranteed 100%!.

don't worry about temperature, as hot temperature area will becomes desert and all birds will fly away, cold temperature area will becomes swiftlet heaven in future. always think of future when comees to bird's nest. above is my opinion after whole night tui in overtime.

I think the fair price for raw bird's nest is still RM2.80.Those who can hold pls hold it till that price.

Too bad this industry is not exclusively to malaysia. indonesia, thailand, vietnamese n etc are also big export players...i wonder if our govt know about it...the way they act n plan is liked we are the only one in this world supplying bird's nests.

It is power play in china, see who comes out the bird's nest king in china.

we in malaysia also cannot see clearly the future of bird's nests industry here...let alone helping u to see cambodia bird's nest future...

but my instinct told me, first find out how your govt think of this industry, their worry, their view, their future plan and if there will be future govt cronies want to monopoly the market ...but then how to see the future till that long...no one knows what will happen in the future...let alone the future of bird's....a human predicting the future of a bird...hahahaha....funny...very very funny....hahahhaaha....

if still think of wanting to predict the future of birds...hahaha....grab a map or google cambodia map...just like human...birds also created by five elements, earth,water,fire,air,and ai ya..forgot the last elements...too much tui in overtime....so, same like human....they might look for a better surrounding area that can provide them with foods and a save place for their kids...so, just liked our anscestors...they lived near to rivers, a place not too hot, and can find foods (hunting animals n etc) easily in walking distance...and when that area is lack of foods, they will migrate and move to a better place for the future of birds.

So, u look at the existing farms in cambodia, the hotspot area, then u enlarge the focusing area...and look potential area that u think bird's will migrate to...then u have a very good chances of hitting the right place ( the silver plate). And if you so lucky to find a place that u think...arr...this place is far better place to stay for the birds and why it all stay there? ...then u have a very good chances of hitting the gold mine....

or, if u don't liked to do that. Just do liked me when i first started, saw few birds flying...wah!!!!!...got birds woh....do loh!!!...

so, ends up i stuck here loh....tui............

the end.


The prices of bird's nest will shot up to RM2.8k, hold it if u can hold.

This post has been edited by ChanK: Mar 1 2012, 09:03 AM

hahahahaha.......

really.....hahhahahaha.....still old ginger more spicy.....

ai ya....buyers all go diving liao.....damn....

well....Yum!!!!!!....

now hokkian king is westling with guanzhoulang...so, we are the victims....hai.....

after this finish, then it is our turn loh, bn westling with pkt...then after tht, officers wrestling each other .....then only we can have a chance to take a breath...only n only if we still alive lah...hahahaha....

at the meantimes, wah...still got mood to chat about birds ahh...really something...go buy more lands and build more farms, when the market go back up in 6 months times...u can sell it and make a profit...don't worry, new investors are crazy...let them see few birds then they will Wah!!!..wah!!!!...wah!!!!!!...got birds ohh!!!...buy lah!!!..

hahahaha....fun.fun.fun.

why worry whether indonesian will still come n collect bird's nests or not?...if you are the processor, do u depends on just one source or two?

of course u want to have two suppliers.if indonesia again facing swiftlets migration n caused massive 50% reduction in bird nest's produced then at least they still have another country like malaysia to buy raw nests. and to have two sources of raw materials then they can bargain for better prices. so, that is not a worry.

the main worry is how to get chinese to eat bird's nest again...in large quantity......

without china...bird's nests is nothing...nothing..zero...kosong. worthless....without china, maybe malaysia and indonesia,thailand and vietnam can only have maybe 100 farms all together to supply enough bird nests to other country, any additional farms will just cause oversupply of it.

Read in newspaper that Our PM is very much interested to listen to NGO voices to get a better understanding of what ordinary citizens have to say.....How about NGO for Bird's nest keepers to voice our views?...

Anyone can lead us to set up one?

I think this is very very much very urgent while we wait for nests prices to stabilize...

yes indeed all associations are NGO....a very political NGO indeed...

no need to see far, in selangor, we faced this double sword as our leader is politically link to one party and what happened? we are been labelled as BN supporters...and what ronnie did?...bangkang all the way!!...

We will faced the dilemma if this continue. no one to blame.

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Added on March 7, 2012, 9:28 amNo one stopping us from selling low actually. We can sell Wholesale price for our bird's nests. The wholesale price now is around RM4k a kilo. we can sell it at that price if we want to. We can pack it into 30g packing and sell for RM120 a pack. and just post it in everyday or group on or milkit or makeadeal or ...damn so many new discount websites that mushrooming in malaysia as 70% discount from retail price .....We can labelled it as

`Farmer's Choice ' or etc...hahahaha.....

and post some pictures of ah mah n ah sum cleaning the nests and ah mah n ah kong cooking the bird's nests and ah chai feed the bird's nest to ah pah...wah....want to cry already.


maybe we can get Najib, aziz, anwar and Lim as our ambassador to promote our products and show to them that this industry helped many malaysians to keep surviving....

This post has been edited by ChanK: Mar 7 2012, 09:34 AM

buyers are back with lower price....1.8 again...super white 2.3....

if can hold..hold....but i heard ppls start to dump tons of bn as their patience wear out...shits...will go on months or so....winter indeed for bn industy.

all these caused nests prices to drop :

1) nitrite issue
2) ban on smugling nests to china
3) our local govt dept strict condition in exporting nests to overseas.


even if nitrite issue solved, we still faced the other two issues that still affect the prices of bn. winter plus flooding........dui lah!...

i think we have a better bet to hope that indonesian govt can solved the issue and then indonesian nests processors will come back and collect nests at better prices.......i think keep the boycotts for next round of demolition mode in another 3 years is a better play....just hope that by then all associations branches will not chicken out and ka ki ku kaki...

still the sounds is the killer and time bomb.....even association committee member don't care abt it..just liked in selangor, this member blast his sound in his farm and when advised to lower the sound, he just smile and said he will do that....and after 3 months...he still blasting the sounds liked no tomorrow....typically selfish dude.......and this guy is representing all selangor bn keepers....hahaha........

it is good for consumers but bad for us...

with the low prices of bn...i wonder the conventional way of building standalone farm at few hundreds thousands still feasible or not? or is there any other way to build affordable farms that we can recoup our profits in a shorter time?

anyone use the LCM services to build light weight concrete farm? how is the quality after few years? any cracks or leakings? just curious as it is still very attractive on costing itself.less than 100k can kautim and for ordinary keepers,this allow them to bet few times instead of one time sailang.

don't be too negative thinking lah, don't worry be happy.

this time around, it will be a long long winter but still ppls eats bird's nest then we still have hope lah.

at least ur farms are doing well n not selling well only. many keepers with farms not doing well n not selling well too....so, they are 200% kena than u.

but....but.....

if u look at the current scenario, on the bright side, this is the golden opportunity for anyone who is been thinking, talking, planning, calculating and still calculating,searching, planning to own a bird house for retirement pasttime...this is once in a lifetime to get one.
the success rate will be much much higher than few years ago due to :

1) no one allow to build new farms in shops.
2) low bird's nests prices.

if u do your new farm now, competition will be low and this translate to higher success rate if u find silver plate or best gold plate.

but, my opinion is we cannot do what we did last time, build farms conventional way that cost easily few hundreds k to build just one and it takes 6 months to get one ready.

by using ready made panels which is low cost and fast track, we can build one farm at 1/3 of what we pay and only take 2 weeks to get one farm build n operate. We can build 3 farms within a month at the same price...this is much better if you are thinking to own farms in agri lands..elese uncle WW suggestion of buying existing farms in town will be an even better suggestion.

but, i think the 100% foam concrete still very very light weight to secure the building (unless they can secure it with more steel bars but they only have steel mesh which is so so wide n thin). if u ever want to build farms in agri land, the buildings must at least can secure it for at least 30 minutes for someone to breakin, and by then, ur police friends woould have arrive to tangkap them.

but most of the time, it is not how u secure the farms but how to secure yrself when u go in or come out from yr farms.

hehe....something to think about to distract from the low low prices of bird nests......news are indicating weak china economy data lately...no surprise as most data are fake anyway...but this will add more salts to us as weak economy translate to low demand of bn too...

satu lombak belum habis, lagi satu lombak hentam lagi...banyak susahlah...

but look at the bright side, we still breathing !!!...yeah!!!

Indonesia is still better positioned to bargain with china as their population is 200 plus millions while we only have 30 plus million...7 times our population....

with us,eur,uk n many big nations now facing bad consumption n low demand for china goods.....china is depending on asia countries and local demands to sell their products....

Malaysia boleh punya...shout boleh, action boleh (lambat sikit lah...tapi action juga mah or actci saja)...tapi ada orang dengar atau tidak....tak tau lah......harap bukan hanya syiok sendiri cukup lah....hahaha...


hai ya.......2.2 lagi....mana 4 .....i want empat lah.....ze better number.....

well...many calls....many buyers are offering...but..

prices still macam itu juga....ooommm.....nak tidur lagi lah...

2.2 lump sum pergi now offer....oommm....tidur lagi lah.......

any better offer kah?

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Added on March 26, 2012, 11:38 amgreat info bro chitchai,
some small processors that want to research or want to set up QC lab in their own plant to check on Nitrite n nitrate can use this method instead of sending samples to certified labs but though this is only for internal QC check...still need major labs test result when u want to ship to china loh...

maybe farmers can do some QC in their farms using this method..

take 3g of nest, grind it, take 1g n dilute in 10ml deionize water. steam cook in 70-80C warm water for 15 minutes, then use API nitrite n nitrate tester.

if anyone interested, can do the test n shares the result here for those who is keen on researching.



This post has been edited by ChanK: Mar 26 2012, 11:38 AM

i always used Ozonated water to sanitize my nests before n after. never use tap water as nests becomes light yellow as soon as it dry or maybe i messed up during the process ( i m newbie in processing though, pls correct me if i m wrong). I only use filtered water to replace boiled water.

thts why when we or consumers are asking too much then processors will also think n do too much liked not changing the water too often....i don't know u, but i don't eat those nests though.....yukkk...

still best to buy nests from small, reputable, trusted processors. go inside the bird nests hotspot kampung area, u will find them..mostly manned by ah kong and ah sum..their minds are pure and healthy, less polluted so don't think too much. they are clever too, they only keep clean one to process n avoid dirty nests.

hmm....maybe TV8 can open a new TV show for nests search special with ah siang to promote kampung style bird nests, healthy, pure, natural taste bird nests. hahahaha...

we can have all types of treatment to reduce nitrite n nitrate but unless the consumers willing to buy broken nests instead of just want only the full cup nice shape....at the end nests still contain n n n one....we all know how nests are been ship to china......

from my minimal knowledge with ozone ( i m newbie in nests processing, do correct me if i am wrong) :

- Ozone is 3000 times more germicidal than chlorine. in europe, they already use ozone instead of chlorine to disinfect water as chlorine is harmful to human. and now a lot of food processing plants are using ozone for both food disinfectant n preservation.

- it eliminate nitrite n nitrate and kills bacteria such as e-coli.

i use it in nests cleaning as it is cheap to get,less than rm100 a unit. we used it to disinfect all cleaning tools, table n etc. then we used it in nests cleaning stages.

- during the soaking n brushing of raw nests.
- during soaking when we pick tiny feathers from nests
- during soaking to shape the nests.

as just few minutes of exposure to ozonated water is required to do the job....why not?...and ah ma n ah sum in kampung is doing it...hehehe....talk about technology transfer n how fast our ah sum is learning...

hahaha....in che wei tou shu, when u see money star (lu chuen), u will always have to be careful as both back (chien yang) n front(tou lou) have bad stars follow. we have blasting the sounds so loud unrealistically to govt that we make few billions a year from nest income, what u going to expect? but the reality is, the few billions are in fact make by the few dozen pioneers tht been in this industry for at least twenty years...hahaha...90% of us still survive with some penny after paying the bank installment every month...but at least we are been recognized and published in today newspaper that our govt acknowledged that bird's nest industry is contributing to malaysia economy and they need to do something to help us just liked they helped the aquacultural industry when faced with export problem in europe....hope the association cut the newclips and keep it.

the culprit all the while is sodium nitrite, and we all knows why it exist in those nests.....for fun to talk about reducing nitrite only...the real situation...hahhaha...

ozonated water have about 15minutes lifespan..dipping it for even 1 minutes will do the job when the nests are in the right wet condition...but then if u want the nests to have smells...hahaha...can always do the traditional way....yuk....hahaha...

sweating....really sweating....hope my gut feeling is not right again.

today news our agri officer declared or launch or whatever u call it..the biggest bird's nest company in the world while also gives info to the media that they are finalising the final document for bird's nest export to china.....

one is final approval..one is biggest bird's nest company in the world...why have media coverage together...does it mean ??...sweating...

bird's nests is just liked property market...now prices shooting up...but u see not much buyers.....waiting game.....

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Added on April 9, 2012, 11:38 amanyone know who are the eight farmers associations that sign agreement with the biggest bird's nest company in the world ? n what is the price they agree with? just curious....

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Added on April 9, 2012, 11:39 amso, RFID is the main condition in export....who win? help who? u know i know lah...

i heard holland is a good place to retire.

This post has been edited by ChanK: Apr 9 2012, 11:39 AM