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Bobby C
post Aug 11 2012, 03:19 PM

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Copy and paste from Pak Hen website:-

http://waletindonesia.blogspot.com/2012/08...ang-burung.html


Also you can download copy of Sarang Walet export guideline from Ministry of Trade of Republic of Indonesia from:- http://www.kemendag.go.id/publikasi_regulasi/#

Mana / Apa tu RFID?? Itu apanama Dr Baju Kuning memang berani cuba con semua kah? U dari bintang ET atau bulan Mars ke? rclxub.gif

Probably those scumbeg buggers will say, 'tak happy, balik Indonesia' .. laugh.gif

The way it goes farmers will be forced to export thru Indonesia, better than thru 1-finger middle gang under the cronies. icon_rolleyes.gif



Sabtu, 11 Agustus 2012
Indonesia Siap Ekspor Sarang Burung Walet ke Republik Rakyat China
Setelah menunggu sekian lama akhirnya pemerintah Republik Indonesia mengeluarkan Peraturan Menteri Perdagangan Nomor 51/M-DAG/PER/7/2012 tanggal 27 Juli 2012, tentang Ketentuan Ekspor Sarang Burung Walet ke Republik Rakyat China.

Permendag ini merupakan petunjuk pelaksanaan tentang eksport sarang burung walet ke RRC, setelah Republik Indonesia dan Republik Rakyat China menandatangani Protokol Persyaratan Higenitas, Karantina dan Pemeriksaan untuk Importasi Produk Sarang Burung Walet dari Indonesia ke China antara Kementerian Pertanian Republik Indonesia dan Administrasi Umum Pengawasan Mutu, Inspeksi dan Karantina Republik Rakyat China (Protocol of Inspection, Quarantine and Hygiene Requirements for the Importation of Bird Nest Products from Indonesia to China between the Ministry of Agriculture of the Republic of Indonesia and the General Administration of Quality Supervision, Inspection and Quarantine of the People's Republic of China) yang ditandatangani pada tanggal 24 April 2012.

Dalam Peraturan Menteri Perdagangan (PERMENDAG) tersebut di atas disebutkan bahwa Ekspor Sarang Burung Walet hanya dapat dilakukan oleh perusahaan yang telah mendapat pengakuan sebagai ET -SBW (Eksportir Terdaftar - Sarang Burung Walet) dari Menteri perdagangan.
ET - SBW adalah perusahaan perorangan maupun badan usaha yang berbadan hukum atau bukan badan hukum yang melakukan kegiatan usaha ekspor sarang burung walet.

Untuk mendapatkan pengakuan sebagai ET - SBW, perusahaan dapat mengajukan permohonan secara tertulis kepada Direktur Jenderal, dalam hal ini Direktur Ekspor Produk Pertanian dan Kehutanan, dengan dilampiri dokumen berikut:
a. fotokopi Surat Izin Usaha Perdagangan (SIUP) atau izin usaha dari kementerian teknis/lembaga pemerintahan non kementerian/instansi;
b. fotokopi Tanda Daftar Perusahaan (TDP);
c. fotokopi Nomor Pokok Wajib Pajak (NPWP);
d. fotokopi surat bukti kepemilikan unit pengolahan sendiri yang sudah mendapatkan Sertifikasi Nomor Kontrol Veteriner (NKV); dan
e. Berita Acara Pemeriksaan fisik oleh Tim Verifikasi dan Monitoring Kebijakan Ekspor Sarang Burung Walet yang ditetapkan oleh Direktur Jendral.

Direktur Jenderal akan menerbitkan pengakuan sebagai ET-SBW paling lambat 5 (lima) hari kerja terhitung sejak permohonan diterima secara lengkap dan benar.

Direktur Jenderal menyampaikan setiap ET - SBW kepada Lembaga Registrasi Akreditasi dan Sertifikasi China dan ET - SBW tersebut harus terdaftar di Lembaga Registrasi Akreditasi dan Sertifikasi China.

PERMENDAG ini dapat di download di KETENTUAN EKSPOR SARANG BURUNG WALET KE REPUBLIK RAKYAT CHINA

Dengan adanya Permendag ini, sudah tidak ada lagi hambatan untuk ekspor langsung ke negeri tirai bambu, dan dengan demikian ekspor SBW dari Indonesia ke China tidak lagi harus melalui negara ke tiga seperti melalui Hongkong dan Singapura.
Harapan kita bersama, dengan lancarnya ekspor ke RRC maka harga sarang burung mentahan yang sekarang terpuruk akan bangkit kembali dan harapannya permintaan RRC akan sarang burung walet meningkat seiring dengan membaiknya pertumbuhan ekonomi di China.

Terima kasih kepada Menteri Perdagangan yang telah peduli dengan ekspor sarang burung walet dan melakukan terobosan yang sangat baik untuk kelancaran ekspor sarang burung walet ke China. INDONESIA BISA!!!

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post Aug 18 2012, 10:52 PM

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QUOTE(northface @ Aug 15 2012, 10:11 PM)
And there's the study that shows the mist from Usonic humidifier is too tiny it can carry a lot of impurities in it, since the water droplets are so small your nose will not filter it you can inhale it directly into your lungs. Regular mist droplets are much larger your nose will filter it and not inhale it directly.

Think of the virus/bacteria from your BH that you might inhale causing future problems from using Usonic ones, I've stopped using mine since.

From wiki:

This is an extremely fine mist, about one micrometre in diameter, that is quickly absorbed into the air flow. Unlike the humidifiers that boil water, these water droplets contain any impurities that are in the reservoir, including minerals from hard water (which then forms a difficult to remove white dust on nearby objects and furniture), and pathogens growing in the stagnant tank. Ultrasonic Humidifiers should be cleaned regularly to avoid bacterial contamination which may be projected into the air.[I]
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Read the same Wiki article before I purchased the ultrasonic humidifier.

Own solutions are:-
i. Installed flexible pipe from vent hole direct to humidifier air inlet to supply cleaner air from outside the BH rather than re-circulating dirty BH internal air.
ii. clean ultrasonic head with piece of cloth and drain out all water inside the humidifier every visit.
iii. Replace rubber hose with PE pipe. Extreme algae growth inside the rubber hose causing water contamination thus dirty heads. Hoping to prolong ultrasonic head lifespan with cleaner water.

So far so good after 1 yr. smile.gif

Selamat Hari Raya and happy holidays! thumbup.gif
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post Sep 5 2012, 06:25 PM

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Anyone watch NTV7 10.30pm news last night?

They already bulldozed their way, claiming only very few protested on RFID and going to sign agreement with China. Aiyo, why this Chua Junior sitting besides apanama Amar also smiling keeping mum leh. You fello memang boleh lah. Who cares protest? Got in bulldozer all old trees young trees mother of all trees and Taiping rain trees also gone with the wind. Who cares really. Tat's the way how cronies work mah. rclxms.gif flex.gif

So sit tight and shut up! Our way or no way! Follow Amar way and NO say PLLEEZEE! 1-M Finger pointing to all! mad.gif

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post Oct 12 2012, 05:54 PM

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QUOTE(gerald7 @ Oct 12 2012, 05:19 PM)
so my story so far... operational in end of July 2011... immediately (2-3weeks) had power loss issues (solar power). then in December, flooding and fungus then in June 2012 realize power loss again (using car battery, now kiasu buy proper solar battery still not yet arrive at bh after 2 months order) guestimate power loss everynite for 3 months as nest increment completely stalled. swap out battery and finally now past 130+ nests. then now amp rosak.. hais...

hahaha what an experience.. to all the sifu2 here.. is your journey as bumpy as mine?
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Ya man, initially met typical con-man in town like many pak blogger attack, rats attack, musang near attack, mad man who owns nearby BH 'attack' (complained to authority noisy but mine quietest, sound probably reflected from his own BH laugh.gif ), touch wood no owl attack but watching closely, now Amar attack, RFID attack ... I am born a fisherman with 30+ crazy fishing experience, even no fish also can imagine fish biting so can still tahan no give up spirit .. rclxms.gif. Else, could have give up long ago. laugh.gif

Many successful pioneers in town incl. old friend's mega highrise buildings for birds now also struggling with late comers. Collecting key for a new shop soon, initially intend for the birds but now can very sure forget about this industry just sell it off. At least at good tenable location. Thank God never buy an inflated agriland in the middle of no where, no turning back now. Good luck all ecoparks and cronies.

There are better investments else where with better return than this industry esp in Western peninsular towns. Thank you Amar and team for killing this industry. Future probably control by few swiftlet cartels. The rest can eat grass nests or own swiftlet nests. icon_rolleyes.gif

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post Nov 5 2012, 07:37 PM

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Nice blog from Charles, in remembrance of his good work. May be something good to ponder besides $$$ and birds.

http://my-swiftlet-farm.blogspot.com/2011_01_01_archive.html

RIP Charles ..

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QUOTE(West Wing @ Nov 29 2012, 10:35 AM)
Very good advice..on why build in town when we are expecting alot of negative respond from the local authorities and worst if it rented.

Let me give you a case history when a friend rented a 3rd.floor and converted it into a BH........5 years later, the owner want to increase the rent to a few thousands giving the excuse that the place product alot of nests or alternatively, 50/50 sharing. The tenant obviously refused and willing to pay Rm1200 per month which was rejected by the owner...

Really, what to do with alot of nests when the next door also belong to the same owner still empty and want to rent it out at Rm300 only. The owner now demand the floor tenant to return back the floor and the case will be mentioned in court and we all know why will win; the owner of course as the owner has every right to demand the rent he wants and if the tenant disagree, then move out and I hope your's isn't going to have the same problem later.

Reason that the floor now make alot of profit doesn't hold water as the tenant rented the premise empty and spend so much money and time to perfect it and now, the owner want half the share; where fair or logic lah?

Now, coming back to BH @ town, we are facing so much problems with the authorities when the price of EBN was good and now, no much problem with the local authorities as the price is so low that no one talk about swiftlets anymore and the local authorities also didn't talk about enforcing restrictions and control over the BH@town but once up, all BHs @ towns will face afain storms and what have you and hope that you won't want to join us to go to Hell when the burning start. Best think of building one out of town where no one will bother your or at least you can sleep well every night for the next few years until your BH has alot of nests when predators in human form will arrive and share your EBN.........

BH is a real problematic industry like going into a jungle and you never know what will happen tomorrow, maybe a snake, tiger or even an elephant may just appear front of you...........worst is what you never expected like a shark in the jungle..hahaha.have a nice day
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Sifu WW,

May be you can elaborate so newbies will have clearer picture before they put their hard earned blood and tears money into this industry. Guess out of town or agri land BHs share similar or higher risk compare town BHs.

Correct if wrong. May be I was thinking too much over the past years but here are some of the risks tat I think make sense now and glad didn't follow mad herd instinct rush during the peak investing in agri BHs:-

i. Investing average 300k for a structure exclude land price in the middle of no where aka agriland is like investing in failed townships like Bukit Beruntung, Lembah Beringin in the mid '90. Building can do nothing, ground floor cant rent to cover bank interest. Only hope is nests. One way ticket either to heaven or hell laugh.gif rclxub.gif

ii. For some reason, failure rate in agriland seems higher than towns. Correct if wrong. May be farm BHs less, hidden, far separated so concentration of bird population less for eyes to see so visually look less than town but during last hour mad rush different story.

iii. Higher predators attacked inside BH as described above ie owls, eagles, snakes, men, ghosts, sharks .. laugh.gif

iv. Higher predators attacked outside BHs ie men, ghosts, sharks .. laugh.gif

v. Reason i) alone says it all. Do or die. No u-turn esp during downturn unless some buyer/Savior willing to takeover at dirt cheap price

vi. Agriland higher investment cost if you are not big plantation or existing land owners. Land + BHs min 500k depends on locality. Bank only willing to loan up to 60% of land valuation excluding cost of Bhs. Bank willing to loan cost of shop house (land+building) to 70%. Town Bhs at least can afford min cost of converting only top floor, risk of 20-30k gone. Ground floor/1st floor still rentable or to do own business.

No offense. Hope to give clearer picture of risks investors subjected to when invest in agri BHs vs town BHs. So far think many agri Bhs suffer in silence unless you are cash rich land/Bhs in cash; and of course many success stories too so need to hear both sides stories. icon_rolleyes.gif


Disclaimer:- The opinion above applicable only to West Malaysia, excluding East Coast, Sabah & Salawak smile.gif

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post Nov 29 2012, 08:03 PM

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QUOTE(West Wing @ Nov 29 2012, 03:19 PM)
Let me just brief all:

As I said many times before that the local authorities are 100% up against this industry in towns and it only take a small spark to burn down all Bhs @ towns. It only need an excuse to remove BHs from town and that's going to be easy with so many uncooperative and greedy BH owners @ towns to make it happen sooner.

Before, I was always very positive that we will be able to hold the authorities behind the line but now, this confidence is all gone and it just a matter of time before we all will be forced out of town. It may not happen in a year or two.

So, the best solution is to have your dream to riches scheme at agriland if it's still a "get riches scheme" anymore with the price of today.  As for the predators in the clothing on man, stay in your agriland when your BH is making money; to protect your investment like during the durian season when the owners will stay at the plantation and collect durians otherwise, the durians will go missing. Those thieves found on your land will make excuses like they are looking for their missing cows or goats or even fowls.

Long ago, I mentioned that the best place to get results is in the town where the core were, it was then and now, that's doesn't apply anymore as most of the town BHs are harvesting nests faster than the birds can produce and no chance for the birds to fledge at all........so, it doesn't make any different now where you build your BH and as long as there are birds around searching for food, there shall be chance that you may find some new birds.....at good locations where there are no or less BHs, the better shall be the place if all are harvesting all before the birds can reproduce new birds.

Bhs @ town Vs BHs @ Agriland; as of at present................the winner is Agriland cos even with human predators included, you still will have your BH intact forever; you only need to solve the problems , while else in towns, the possibilities of losing all  is there..........after you have success in getting the birds to stay......and the local authorities have openly remind us so.

ps: Agriland BH may not be that expensive as one friend has built a single story BH@Agriland costing Rm50K  8 years ago and has over 6K nests and recently builld another one bigger one behind using the income from the previous BH.
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Many thank WW for clarification.

Your friend must be the smartest of all. Some successful folks in my hometown investing near a million for each BH in town. Again, these pioneers already pocketed their funds from first few successful BHs so can roll. If gomen rules change, wonder what are they going to do with these mega buildings? rclxub.gif

Some states councils are happily collecting extra income from licensing. While other states are less friendly. If anything happen to towns BHs, guess we shall see many billions disappeared from livelihood of town folks. At presence highly competitive global economy with dipping FDI, gomen running on deficit for near 15 yrs, basically they are committing own kamikazi and at the same time kill rest of the nation esp those in towns if ruling imposed. Just my 2 cents.

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Perhilitan signboard on the nest export still at KLIA as I left the airport early this week. Just a banner behind the column. Nobody bother to look at it with current market.

Oii, just buang tu banner lah. Truly eyes sore.

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BN in Penang Airport 3-4-13, near Air Asia check in counters. shakehead.gif rclxms.gif

Sudah menang tanpa bertanding! Talk is indeed cheap.

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What this Chua junior burger try to do?? Playing screw driver like the daddy screwing everyone?? mad.gif

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post Apr 23 2013, 10:13 AM

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QUOTE(West Wing @ Apr 22 2013, 06:06 PM)
You make want to cry cos it remind me of "Et tu, Brute!" because of he so powerful can do all the goodness and kindness to us but prefer to stab  us in the back. All I can say is " Et tu, junior Chua" then I UBAH! hahahaha still can laugh...
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While Pakatan Bird and Barisan Nest fighting each others, we the Barisan Rakyat the two party system supporters told the Pakatan Bird hey guys/gals, you people outdated already lah. What is Ubah??

Kami rakyat now toking not about Ubah. Kami toking kasi BUANG masuk tong sampah, TUKAR!


ps:- Next time anyone go to Korea, go take some photos and show how Korea gomen promote ginseng. Every visitors that visit Korea must bring back Korea ginseng as gifts, else your Korea visit not counted, Korean will ask u 'r u sure u oledi visit Korea?'. Korea can make ginseng sweets for the visitors, how cum Msia tak boleh copy cat make bird nest sweets for our visitors? Kasi taruh cap Halal lagi bagus can jual sama Arabs. Mrs Yen Yen apparently spent wrong money lawatan sambil belajar di Oz and Nz. If they visit Korea may be the industry better now with no more excuses. shakehead.gif rclxub.gif

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While it is illegal for tourists & all to hand carry bird nest out of Penang & KLIA international airports without hassle running around various departments, this is Bangkok International Airport. Biscuit shape like nest selling B$134/g. Small full cup B$150/g. Omar & Chua Junior Burger go sell nasi lemak to foreign tourists la.

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QUOTE(West Wing @ Jul 15 2013, 01:01 AM)
Most of BH now harvest EBN before or with neststo ensure quality big EBN to satisfy the buyers requirements so much that  some buyers aren't even wanting to quote slight brownish EBN with shit in it. As long as we are not allow to export excess EBN about more than 50%, we are always at the mercy of the local buyers. First, they give us low price then they become so selective on quality and size and most BH owners seem to toe the line by helping the buyers to secure best EBN for China market.

In Guangzhou, most EBN sold are of cheaper INDO type and these are of lower grade and therefore are selling at about RMB6-8Kin Guangzhou. Malaysia EBN are of higher value EBN and normally sell at well established outlets.

Above are my understanding of the present situation of the industry and just to share. I disagree that market is bad and if so, how come buyers still buying but only farmer's price getting lower...........if no demand, no purchase should be right?
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Dear Sir,

Any good place in Guangzhou recommended for sightseeing looking for bird nest? Beijing street? Going next month jalan-jalan makan angin hope can do some favor get some info and share to all insha'Allah for the benefit of all of course exclude cronies laugh.gif

TQ

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QUOTE(West Wing @ Jul 17 2013, 12:45 AM)
If you are looking for cheap EBN, you can get these EBN at ChanPing EBN market/centre where the whole complex sell only EBN. One thing very funny is that the 4th.Floor supposedly "Malaysian EBN Centre" sell all Indo EBN. If you tell them that you can differentiate and that the EBN are Indo's, they will tell you that they can get you Malaysian EBN but the price is higher.

The bosses of most of the lots @ 4th.Floor are Malaysian when I was there 2 years ago but those selling are young Chinese girls.
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All right, with home minister around, focus on the nests. Trying not to get distracted by chicks and eggs .. laugh.gif
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I saw huge advertisement board from China company on bird nest some where along the North South Highway towards KL. Tot I was in Guangzhou since hardly see advert in 普通話

Just wish light at end of the tunnel as we celebrate 50th Anniversary of Malaysia. Cheers! thumbup.gif

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Just got a new amp from Pudu. What is the good and reliable internal amp in the market currently?? Swallow Sound (discontinued) amp that bought earlier still running while Nik***do only last less than 3 yrs old already kaput.

Oh, the sales guy said now price increase his customer sold >2000. Asked him for the contact even offer to pay him commission no no no contact at the moment. Just hearsay.

Just doubt accuracy of info as amp seller also claimed to be BH consultant. In my heart said I oso self made consultant managed to turn dead BH by other consultants alive and kicking now ... hehe

Anyone got contact >2000 pls let all know. Many will even offer for delivery service. biggrin.gif

As for now, back to zzz ... till the phone rings. yawn.gif

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QUOTE(tuckfook @ Oct 14 2013, 04:51 PM)
We have no choice but to endure.

Selling the investment means the realisation of a loss. Perhaps to endure there is a glimmer of hope as this business does not require large monthly expenses. Hopefully capital gain from the property will cover the holding costs.

Nothing amazing but disheartening.
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Guess the ministry prefer people to be non productive, to be more speculative on empty properties than to be genuine productive farmers who generate export income to the nation.

Many would have made even more by investing in empty lands or building in strategic locations in KV and around the country since recent property hike than to invest in swiftlet farming and taking high risk of little nests, predators and worst policy change and harassment from the officers.

All of us dreamers finally come to our senses. rclxub.gif
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QUOTE(West Wing @ Oct 28 2013, 01:58 PM)
Dear All,

I forecast and see white lining soon so no worry about the price of your EBN; it shall be much better than today........

What I can see are either
1. That our Government was not telling us the truth when they told us that China do not allow the import of EBN.
2. That China Government is cheating our Government if the Chinese allow only processed nest into China.

From what I know

China is setting many huge EBN processing plants in Hainan island Free Trade Zone signifying that the Chinese Authorities allow unprocessed EBN to go to the Free Trade Zone @ China to process EBN and only a fence that prevent the nests from entering Chinese mainland.

The Chinese offer very cheap land to companies to invest and setup EBN processing plants @ Hainan and maybe many other regions, too and this only mean that there are certainly good market in China as no other countries are eating birdnests like China......and setting up @ Free Trade Zones maybe only excuses to allow and want the process of EBN in China and not elsewhere.... and not offending neighboring countries.

From my info

The Chinese is also learning to breed swiftlets in Hainan Island according to my source.
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Wow, that's great news for mid to long term thumbup.gif

Cronies or kingpins also cannot CURI (bukan CARI) makan so easy and need to fight for survival as pressure from globalization and inter countries free trade agreement building up.

What is bumi / non bumi all these nonsense? End of the day still got to kau tau to mighty China, second largest world economy for trade and investment. You think apanama cronies dan alibaba aka few companies accredited & certified by the ministry can do the same?? LOL .. in their wet dreams wink.gif

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QUOTE(West Wing @ Nov 27 2013, 05:38 PM)
Malaysian are now lazy lots esp. those you know who and with the Govt. handout make worst with 1Malaysia so need not ask how much in Malaysia as Thailand is surely cheaper and cheapest is in Indonesia.

With petroleum output going to reduce or end very soon, they must get enough to support the raayat who don't work and wait for hand out. So, don't be surprise that when the price of EBN up, so will the whom you know come visiting!!!!

Just you imagine that there are so many jobless Malaysian out there but we still can support million of Indonesian labourers earning few thousand ringgit each to send home.......billions each year. No wonder one Indo minister said without Indo labourers, Malaysia economy collapse.
 
Sad but true and I m ashamed, too.
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Our hardworking partime domestic helper from Indo once told us .. local here are generally lazy. Someday their children's children will be forced to work in Indonesia.

I swallow my pride and think with my head. Ya, she got a valid point. Even when Fri/Sat off, request Thus 1/2 day to compensate for 'lost' Fri. Better dont work, wait for grandpa handouts.

Good on Johor the leading state. Who dare to invest wins pants down?? rclxub.gif notworthy.gif

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