We have gone thru many ups and downs but only those God's creation but never have we encounter such forces of human interventions and problems of human creation.......again and again.

Good days will surely come but when, is the Q of the day.....but till today, no white/silver lining has been seen in the horizon yet.

We all know that every storm has an ending and no matter of how bad and dark the sky, it will turn clear again but when storms created by human intervention are involved, every up will became a new downward flow and worse maybe created although never expected. Imagine that more than a year has passed and no news of our natural unprocessed nests to be able to be exported and the authorities are boosting that the problem solved and what has been solved?? I will only be happy if the day they allow us to export unprocessed nests to any part of the world which surely hopefully include China, the biggest consumers of EBN.

Like our authorities went to China to solve palm oil export and return happily announcing that China will be buying our durians...oh God!!! how much durian in the form MSW can we sell to China. It's like going to sell cows and end up selling duck eggs and we don't have many ducks either.

Like always, my opinion on the matter only as nothing to do but Bla Bla Bla only...

Have you decided to go and buy D BH or that you are going to let go and to buy those BHs on sales cos now is the time to help yourself to cheap BHs and also helping others in financial trouble if you are loaded. Before estimation is Rm800-1K per nest and now, the nests practically FOC in some case.

Honestly, now is a good time to invest but not building a new BH but to buy one as you are paying lower than building one yourself and bonus is that there are already resident birds staying without you having to worry about securing birds. Best for those newbizs who want to venture into this Bus to do now cos there won't be another time that you can buy so cheaply so you got to thank the few "you know who" for it.... plus some knowhows that money also cannot buy........

Only if you can wait for a few years as every cloud has a silver lining.

This post has been edited by West Wing: Nov 15 2012, 05:44 PM

No problem and I will tell you all my secret of success....bare all as they say!!!

My cake type of nest I sell at RM5K/kg but I sell them in 5 to 6 pcs carefully pack in plastice boxs of 5 to 6pc each ans sell at RM150 to RM180 per box depending on weight. So, this way, everybody can afford to eat birdnests and

you may wholesale to other offering discounts if they buy in quantity.....people will buy if they find your nest properly cleaned and that there is no chemical used and no even one tiny feather in all my nests cos my QC manager is my wife who ensure no feather left in the nests which we sell.

People who buy from us will return for more for they can't clean so well and most of those who bought 100 gms or more uncleaned nests from us gave up and since then, buy ready to eat nests without the trouble and difficulties of trying to clean 100% the nests themselves ..then they will understand the high cost of cleaning the nests not to mention the impossibility to have a nest 100% cleaned without feather and no chemical added but we can.....with 100% refundable if not satisfied with our quality.

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Added on November 18, 2012, 12:57 pmR U taking about corners as till today, AB EBN never drop so low yet.........

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Added on November 18, 2012, 5:59 pmGreat News!!!!!

A friend just return from China told me that he saw that grade A nests at one shop is selling @ RMB38K/Kg but what's the use.

We can't get our nests to China and sell................so, meanwhile, just saliva rolling down the cheek only.............and the chinese there are complaining that no one take the initiative to take unprocessed nests to China as they are the buyers and so far, nothing has been dicuss about the unprocessed nests. By the way, Dato told us that the Govt. didn't prevent and do allow unprocessed nests out of the country and have anyone done that legally???????

This post has been edited by West Wing: Nov 18 2012, 05:59 PM

It was told by Dato Tok during the Committee meeting of the Fed Association @ KL recently. I was there because my President cannot answered my Qs and asked me to go with him to the meeting and asked from the horses and there I was.

He and his men told me that there isn't a problem exporting the unprocessed nests and the only problem was that China refused to allow the entry of unprocessed nests into the country. I told him that many have complaints that they cannot take out the nests and he even make phone call then and confirmed to me that there was no such thing happening and that's nest isn't forbidden to take out all.

Since I have no time to take nests out and I am banned by my wife for venturing too often to China ( just kidding), someone please forward some proofs if nests really cannot be taken out at our airports... then, we got good reasons to bombard these Dato and gang.... He even told me that VHM or any other certifications can easily obtained and if I encounter any difficulties, he would help me out..........but I wasn't interested al all with the processing of nests in the first place.

So, anyone here do have the experience of being ban from taking EBN out of the country but don't tell me about that you were not allow to take the nests into China cos that's will depend on your Luck and your strength with the authorities in China and which Airport, too.

My only newly finished Agriland BH also has the same problem and I still have no time to finish off the owl, either to send it to TBT or just catch it and release it but I think I would finish it for good with high voltage at the entrance.

So, I am not an expert in getting rid of Owl which is the first time I encounter myself and formally are all told by friends having the problems...and Owls are serious problem to BH....or you end up with no birds coming to stay...

So, surely we have some SF with experience in getting rid od OWL and can share their expertise on the matter.

This post has been edited by West Wing: Nov 20 2012, 07:19 PM

So, you got many interested buyers??
Before, they buy unprocessed nests from us and what they want now and I believe that they also import mostly unprocessed nests, right?

Even if Calvinswiftlet said is the truth that the agents here sold the nests to HK for Rm3500/kg, that's not fair to give us Rm2K or less.....so, my advice to newbizs, better go into export of EBN and make assured profit and, need not do the waiting gamble and much much more profit than us, the poor farmers..........like farmers elsewhere, it's the middlemen that make the most!!!!!!

Bro,

Calculation out lah.

When doing cake form, we used patahan and patahan sell at Rm1K or less and even using corner, now only @ Rm1300 and the loss is only max. 20%.

When I was in HK 2 years ago, the offered RM4800/Kg for unprocessed nests ( mind you that HK buyers provide in RM) and HK knew our price well then and they even told me that M'sia unprocessed nests are only Rm4300/KG.

If cleaning, Indo cleaners charge only Rm400/Kg for half cup but M'sia double the charges.....2 years ago news

This bring us to processing plant. We cannot compete with Indo due to the fact that
1. Indo cleaners clean faster; 2X faster
2. Indo wages are cheaper by 50% and worst if Govt' impose Rm900 min. wages.
3. Indo already have strong market oversea.

So, when Indo throw prices, our processing plants will close cos we cannot compete with them in production costing so I do agree that we go for high end processing in Malaysia but never at we farmers's expenses........as I always emphasized in meeting with the Fed.....having 2 separate way........an old lane for our unprocessed nests and a super highway for the highly quality nests.

This way, we can build up and perfecting our own high end processing EBN industries without affecting our farmers income.. We can seek new high end market which has been abandoned due to Red problem and we don't have fight a price war with Indo which we will be the loser.

This is my feeling and believe.



This post has been edited by West Wing: Nov 22 2012, 03:04 PM

As we are all aware of the facts that 100PPM and up has nothing to be with our unprocessed nests as one of my friends has his nests tested in the Lab and found to be below 20% PPm, So, how come these below 20% can suddenly become over 100%; your guess is as good as mine and need no scientist to tell you...........mostly , it's the way they export.

Argument from the exporters and more from the Datos and ministers friendly to these Datos are that it's impossible to export without wetting the nests so they must first process the nest so that there will be no impurities in the nests to cause nitrites to increase.

If they can export eggs without damage to eggs then how come not EBN???? Or do they also wet the eggs during exporting or will wetting make the eggs stronger...hahahaha

It's all in the packaging of the EBN and if they can manage it with eggs then why not use similar method to the EBN......only a slight higher costing in transportation and packaging but doesn't this really a matter in high end products like EBN. If a few sens egg can has the facility, then I see no reason that the EBN cannot afford to do so and must be even more secure as it's expensive and the middlemen make so much more compare to all other goods exported.

If you ever saw the way they export the EBN, you will understand why the EBN nitrite increase so much; they pack it like sardine fish and sardine has better space than EBN.

I know that those ministers and their men are politicians or at least well versed in the science of politic but politicizing us and don't take us like fools and believe what you said...........

kami ada Otak bukan Udang hanya kepala besar!!!!!!!!!

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Added on November 24, 2012, 8:35 pmBro,

Is the banners still there as I forget to mentioned that Dato and his BOD told me that these banners have been taken off because I was angry and told them that the only thing we, Malaysian cannot take out is EBN and no mention on drugs or others so does it mean that we can take out drugs and maybe that China and HK allow Drugs to be imported!!!!

Any news on those filthy ugly banners that shouldn't be there in the first place.



This post has been edited by West Wing: Nov 24 2012, 08:35 PM

There you see, my friend that all that you posted are all Singapore news and there, they do take action against these idiots but here, it's so different and even the cows in Aircon still free and many more cases of absurd and too much such nonsense are still no action taken. With one case known, hundreds not even mentioned so you think that our EBN will be solved....

At least, we have good dreams after hearing these assurance but no matter cos nothing we can do as the assurance words are good for the heart for the time being...until you wake up in another year and find all still the same.....then, we all shall blame on own fate as we are Malaysian and Malaysia boleh.

The situation has not been improved although the Fed. Association Boss has said otherwise. Here, we are facing unhappy BH owners who are frustrated over the delay and of the presently low price of unprocessed nests.

They want action and see no positive action so far and now considering of forming new Association to counter the problems facing the industry and I believe many here are also thinking of it. They came to ask my opinion and support for the new club but I strongly oppose such dramatic action but suggested some reasonable solutions.

1.Go to see local Association President and get explanations for all your worries and questions.
2. Still unhappy with the results, hold an EGM to settle the matter once and for all.
3. Your intention to have another clue is have your ideas or proposal going so there isn't a reason to weaken the already weak club by dividing the BH owners into 2 or more difference camps. Splitting and dividing the people will only weaken our strength and allow the authorities to break and destroy us, one at a time...remember that united we stand, divided we fall!!!!!

If you really have a point, most of the members will surely support you in the EGM to pull down those unworthy leaders if they are so otherwise, help them to spear head the industry by giving your ideas and suggestions to solve the present climate that has taken a toll out of most of us.....

Hope that all here do take positive action to help the industry cos if you don't, nobody else will care; provide good suggestions and ideas to the leaders..... remember that even the Head of the Federation can be taken off this way but can you do a better job if given a chance..................

This post has been edited by West Wing: Nov 27 2012, 07:08 PM

Very good advice..on why build in town when we are expecting alot of negative respond from the local authorities and worst if it rented.

Let me give you a case history when a friend rented a 3rd.floor and converted it into a BH........5 years later, the owner want to increase the rent to a few thousands giving the excuse that the place product alot of nests or alternatively, 50/50 sharing. The tenant obviously refused and willing to pay Rm1200 per month which was rejected by the owner...

Really, what to do with alot of nests when the next door also belong to the same owner still empty and want to rent it out at Rm300 only. The owner now demand the floor tenant to return back the floor and the case will be mentioned in court and we all know why will win; the owner of course as the owner has every right to demand the rent he wants and if the tenant disagree, then move out and I hope your's isn't going to have the same problem later.

Reason that the floor now make alot of profit doesn't hold water as the tenant rented the premise empty and spend so much money and time to perfect it and now, the owner want half the share; where fair or logic lah?

Now, coming back to BH @ town, we are facing so much problems with the authorities when the price of EBN was good and now, no much problem with the local authorities as the price is so low that no one talk about swiftlets anymore and the local authorities also didn't talk about enforcing restrictions and control over the BH@town but once up, all BHs @ towns will face afain storms and what have you and hope that you won't want to join us to go to Hell when the burning start. Best think of building one out of town where no one will bother your or at least you can sleep well every night for the next few years until your BH has alot of nests when predators in human form will arrive and share your EBN.........

BH is a real problematic industry like going into a jungle and you never know what will happen tomorrow, maybe a snake, tiger or even an elephant may just appear front of you...........worst is what you never expected like a shark in the jungle..hahaha.have a nice day

Let me just brief all:

As I said many times before that the local authorities are 100% up against this industry in towns and it only take a small spark to burn down all Bhs @ towns. It only need an excuse to remove BHs from town and that's going to be easy with so many uncooperative and greedy BH owners @ towns to make it happen sooner.

Before, I was always very positive that we will be able to hold the authorities behind the line but now, this confidence is all gone and it just a matter of time before we all will be forced out of town. It may not happen in a year or two.

So, the best solution is to have your dream to riches scheme at agriland if it's still a "get riches scheme" anymore with the price of today. As for the predators in the clothing on man, stay in your agriland when your BH is making money; to protect your investment like during the durian season when the owners will stay at the plantation and collect durians otherwise, the durians will go missing. Those thieves found on your land will make excuses like they are looking for their missing cows or goats or even fowls.

Long ago, I mentioned that the best place to get results is in the town where the core were, it was then and now, that's doesn't apply anymore as most of the town BHs are harvesting nests faster than the birds can produce and no chance for the birds to fledge at all........so, it doesn't make any different now where you build your BH and as long as there are birds around searching for food, there shall be chance that you may find some new birds.....at good locations where there are no or less BHs, the better shall be the place if all are harvesting all before the birds can reproduce new birds.

Bhs @ town Vs BHs @ Agriland; as of at present................the winner is Agriland cos even with human predators included, you still will have your BH intact forever; you only need to solve the problems , while else in towns, the possibilities of losing all is there..........after you have success in getting the birds to stay......and the local authorities have openly remind us so.

ps: Agriland BH may not be that expensive as one friend has built a single story BH@Agriland costing Rm50K 8 years ago and has over 6K nests and recently builld another one bigger one behind using the income from the previous BH.

This post has been edited by West Wing: Nov 29 2012, 03:25 PM

There maybe a big possibility that DVS isn't supporting the present Govt. as many govt departments are doing so and if these go on, all BH owners and supporters will definitely vote opposition in the next election. At present, many statements and news aren't favorable to the present Govt and if election is going to be held much later, more and more damages will be done as anti govt feeling is so hot..............

So, Ajib Ko, be smart, talk to us and not those Dato Dato or politicians cos they can be Katak and lompat lompat but we can't. We got our BHs to be concerned so help us to help you...........

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Added on December 1, 2012, 5:58 pmDo you know how many GP have been issued and how many meetings, dialogs or discussion with the authorities and still no outcome. What I heard from the Local Government Reps only were that they are against BHs @ town and will only consider allowing a certain number of years. We are safe from destruction due to the involvement of our PM who seem to support the BH @ town and only willing to listen how best to allow BHs @ town to stay.

So, even the Federal passed the GP1 long ago and the meeting of Local Govertment which include all menteri Besar and Chief Minister as members approved it, till today, no one state adopt the standard as their intention to kick us out, may it in BN states or opposition control states, I just wonder who to trust with my votes. Only one state, Kelantan who may see the need to allow BH@town due to the income they can collect from the high lessen they imposed on BHs. Other states under BN can get fund from federal Govt so they aren't concerned about money matter.

Pas state has an advantage is that they don't care about you much if you pay your bills and they are more concerned about religion matter; about how women need to wear and the world is just a transit point to Allah....if I got it right,..no offence, my muslim friends.

Just give the local authorities a good reason and tomorrow, your Bh will not see light or should I say, will not see the dark as all walls damaged and light entering on all four corners... Wish that I know how to download pic to here to share a photo of BH being damage by Majlis but you can imagine it as all four walls with holes like they have being blown by a tank...........as in Syria now.

Drink if you can and tomorrow, another day to drink.........but don't Drink and Drive. Drink then Drive cos you can't see where you are driving with the bottle up while drinking, my friends..............Hahahhahaaaaaaaa

This post has been edited by West Wing: Dec 1 2012, 05:58 PM

Before proceeding further, if the readers don't like tha way I posted frankly, then I would refrain myseft from exposing too much here as there are good and bad by posting but then, I only wish newbizs in to the buz to be wary of doing it @ town as the danger in it.

I always feel uneasy every time a new YTP take office in town as we still unsure of his feeling toward BHs @ town. A friend of mine who hotel buz was disturbed by a BH opposite his hotel complained to the Association on many occasions and lastly, reported to the majlis about the noise of the BH even deep into the night.

The officer told this friend that they have received many complaints and it is a matter of time that they will take action against the BH@town and all BHs @ town will have to move out. These problematic BHs are not the new comers but those having at least afew thousand nests BHs.........they fear new comers try to get to their birds and so up go the sound and even much persuasion only allow peace for a few weeks at the most. Their stubbornness sometime make me wonder whether their heads do have brains cos their argument was that if they go, all will have to go as well; so, what more can you say. The local association are afraid and unwilling to insist the local authorities to take action against those idiots so we all will await our faith in the hand of the Lord, I hope. Also for new comers, the saying of "Last to come, first to go" will apply here, too.

I once talked to a federal minister who happened to be our local parliament elected. I asked for his opinion on the future of the BHs @ town, his reply was that if the raayat allow it, then OK but if the raayat against it, then you must go..............


We are gentlemen and if we are gangsters, at least we can break a leg or two to scare them into obeying common senses that they don't own the town and others do have their right to peace of mind. Without them, this industry is already problematic but with them, it's HELL!!!!!

December is here and we are still not experiencing any increase of EBN price as they said that it would and has...........wonder if any place is experiencing an increase in price or that buyers are back buying?

If we miss December sales, we will not be able to get better price as the season of buying EBN is very near and now is the time that EBN will normally increase in price and the next round will be long long time.....hope that those involved know about it and allow processed nests to China and allow our unprocessed nests free passage out of the country.

Presently, we farmers are at the mercy of middle men who will buy low and sell high in HK or China and we haven't got a choice as "we see no road ahead". If I am poorer and need money to pay for my children food and education, I, too will be tempted to go underwater as the profit so much better than farmers and I will then sell off my BHs and do big time in smuggling EBN in to any countries buying nests...........esp. China.

At present, dealing in EBN make more than Drugs even if you consider the penalty of being arrested. The most you have to is to pay a fine and tomorrow will be another fine day..........unless, the Govt change the Law and make the death penalty for smuggling of EBN as we read that now, there shall no longer be Death penalty for Drug offenses......

Here, a buyer just quote Rm1800-Rm2000/Kg and someone told me that elsewhere, someone was selling Rm1300/Kg and I really don't know what to say and maybe friends around here can really enlighten me on the matter.

At least, " If I die, I want to know why"

Many thanks for the input and info.

Most the difficulties we share but then we normally did have an advantages is that we supposedly are allow to export to China until some idiots created the news out to Chinese authorities and those top Chinese Officials that took only REBN suddenly knew that all those time they were consuming were all shit!!!! and that make them very mad and loss face and so, they are out to get back at us.

But they don't understand that all those weren't our doings but of those greedy B*****, so, the Chinese authorities should allow unprocessed nests into China and then, they will have better control of the quality of the health food they intake. By allowing only processed EBN wouldn't help the situation as you may examine all facilities at plant but do that mean that all's well. Taking about China trying to prevent outflow of cash, with one RMB spend on EBN, billions are gone by other means.........and by processing EBN @ China also save alot of RMB and also employment for the chinese.

I believe that the Chinese authorities know that the money spend on EBN are all well spend as even a few billions, it's a faction compare with others plus it's health food that will save much more money in the future with better health for the Chinese population. why they do so are because of the humiliation and angry and these cause them to be blind by anger and seeking revenge as I see it and Malaysian authorities are giving then the excuses and reasons for doing so.........and worst, putting the knife at our own throat but providing "0" nitrate proposal and RFID requirement and so they just comply cos now,m you know who set the impossible standard lah.

That's what you get when getting a fool for a minister and worst, a corrupted and greedy too. To add to the pain, it's always been the Malaysian smart Chinese Alex that feed the idea to the minister.........the most selfish and greedy Malaysian Chinese; remember not all Malaysian Chinese cos most are the good and honest ones like me and the rest of the readers here.

Even that now that they modified the Protocol with 30ppm and no RFID but similar type must be used; it's is we chinese saying'"LPPL only"
Even with these standards, the unprocessed nests can still meet it as we have checked the uprocessed nests to be lower than 30ppm provided it's dry. So, if they only allow unprocessed nests to be exported, we shall need to ship out dry and that's maybe a little problem here..........

This post has been edited by West Wing: Dec 6 2012, 12:41 PM

NST

BETTER OPTIONS: Traders see good response in China

NANNING (China): STRINGENT measures imposed on the export of bird's nest to China have turned into a blessing for some Malaysian companies.

Read more: Processed bird's nest selling well - General - New Straits Times http://www.nst.com.my/nation/general/proce...5#ixzz2EG0Zs6fF


I don't know about the rest of you but I have quit reading newspaper for over a year because all are shits and I already have plenty of original shits without paying for the imitation shit.

so, sometime news concerning EBN industry in newspapers were informed to me by friends and so far, nothing truthful have been published except those spoken by the Gmen and ministers and all smell worst than cat's shit cos bird shit doesn't smell bad.

So far, the authorities are trying to convince us all that they are doing right all the time and will continue to do so and the raayat will believe them as if you read too many times, it will be the truth even thought it's a lie......

Hopefully, the PM can see the light without using his torch light(thru the eyes of his ministers and advisors) and come out to assist us. How to support the PM during the election if he don't care if I am drowning.

By the way, what's the latest situation in the export of processed nests to China which supposedly will be able to go to China.

I believe our friend KL will be able to tell us the present situation as he was in Guangzhou last month preparing for the occasion; contacting buyers in China and maybe signing many MOU with them.

Hopefully, they all get it thru cos we are not against processed nests from exporting and rather we supported them all the time only that we are unhappy that our unprocessed nests shouldn't be barred from exporting as well...........a little bit sold, a lesser number of BH owners suffer but with the price provided by local buyers make you want to cry.

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Added on December 9, 2012, 9:47 amHi,

What's wrong with the PM cos I just forward a short message to you

" What is this all about?" and I got


"considered spam". What's SPAM about the above message????

By the way, why cannot post it here as all want to know, I think?

# SS 007 mission, right? Sorry about the joke lah!

This post has been edited by West Wing: Dec 9 2012, 09:47 AM

There, you see.......I was right all the time and it only take one incident or one idiot to tell you to move out....and Doctor also can be stupid, you know.

Don't ever think that all Doctors are very smart but you do know that they have the brain and can take pressure, that for certain and can work over 36 hours without stopping but then only the Gmen can do these to their employee and try to do this to your's, the pejabat buruh will summon you for exploiting employees but then Doctors are smart and so smart that they don't understand the law that prevent them from working too long without break.

If so, why Doctors in Gmen Hospital work so long hours and if anything happen because the Doctors are sleepy or not in control, then who shall be blamed and you still think that all Docs are smart and never complaint and D Minister isn't smart from what I see.......

Just tell the Doctor who is a minister to go to any Gmen Hospital toilet and ask him to check on the cleanliness of the toilet and you will find that our BH carry less or no disease compare to the Hospital Toilet cos I was there and infected over and over again in the toilet with different viruses because I was in the Hospital and once out of the Hospital, I was cure within a week.......

It's about time that Sabah and Sarawak make a change for the future and betterment of states, the present ones are all so C and G that everybody know about them but then when election coming, they provide all goodies to please the raayat there and the raayat vote for them and the raayat there don't understand that what they are getting is less than 1% of what going the bank account of the YBs and that's all the money are supposedly Raayat money lah.........it's like taking our money and give alittle to the raayat but keep 99% for own use.

They bring everything out except the Cs and Gs that they did and keep low profiles on them..........Sabahan, ask yourself on what have been done with all the natural wealth that now all gone and the road in Sabah still best for horses instead of cars.

Sabahan or Sarawakian, make me your CM and I assure you that I maybe Greedy but will give you 90% back and keep only 10% and that's will make me a billionaire before the 5 years end...at least, I am honest to admit that I take a cut from the state income which is the raayat income.

Without prejudices above.

Oh Yes, tell the minister concerned that I don't mind that he build one next door or up stair, provided that he keep the sound low and no sound at night and I want to tell him that I have been staying over 15 years under the BH and I am still healthy........and also I go up to the BH every weekend and check on the birds without any mask and no disease in my lung during the last X Ray 2 months ago........Just maybe that Bshit is good for the lung as I often go to Genting and you know how many smokers are in the Casino and I am a non smoker lah; msybe, we can start selling BS for lung disease preventing, joking lah..........hahahaha

This post has been edited by West Wing: Dec 9 2012, 12:25 PM

I am always fair and I will be the first to shut down if there is a reason that the BH cause any fatal disease and if the BHs do; the ventinery Depts will the first to close all BH even those of Agriland. The Ventinery Dept has prove that swiftlets and even their shit don't carry diseases harmful to human and if your argument is not now, maybe later then you cannot be forgiven cos what IF can apply to everything, anytime and every people you meet that might cause a disease and you must sleep alone cos your partner may also carry the disease to you.

When the authorities bought the matter of bird flu, I strongly disagree with them on the ground that swiftlet never touch the ground and so, they never get the disease and also EBN is good for lung and maybe their nests may provide us with a cure for bird flu. For that, I also disagree with hand feeding swiftlets cos this may cause the swiftlets to get disease unheard of.

So far there isn't any disease fatal to human caused by the swiftlets and the most problematic to the industry is the sound..........and I for one support any action taken against the culprit and if they ignore warning, then shut these BHs down.

The public has the right to peaceful life and I for one will support their rights if BHs do cause diseases, then we all move but remember there are so many worst occupations in town like tire shops, pet shops and so many others and are the authorities going to shut all up. Bear in mind, that pet shops are worst than BH as their shits, illness and saliva do carry many diseases that can kill humans.....

Just by calling for a ban for the BHs @ town isn't the right way to solve the problem and I believe the very reason is political. The Politicians don't care a dammed about your life and all they bother are to get your votes. They don't have you or your problems at heart; only play play things in politic to them.

If you really look around you, there are many people killing factories and plants that can cause cancer or disorder but they are not banned cos these are you know why........

When they invite me to join the anti Lynas protest, I blatantly told them that not that I disagree with them but I won't want to join them as there are more such human killing factories so near our town and why bother to fight something so far away and ignore those nearby. If I have the power, I will have prevented those dangerous factories near my town..........

Nothing in the world now is safe even the food that we intake....meat and vegetables....imagine the steroid and antibiotic given to fowls to booster their growth and fat at the cost of human life span. What really have been done and all they point their guns at us....because there isn't any personal value to them and only can gain popular with the population.

Look around you and you notice if you are my age that many of my juniors have gone to heaven so soon even before God calling.......if you get my breeze..

Do the Gmen really care for you sincerely??????????