My friend,

When one is having afew thousand nests, most of them will no longer be around or interested anymore. They aren't going to feed you the information and even if they are around, they certainly will not tell or are them asking for trouble.

But as far as I know, the truth is that not all are the same even in the same area.

Here, in town....one of my friends having a BH of 500nests 8 months ago now has 800 nests but another friend told me that his few thousands nests BH now has lesser 15% compare to last year. But then, another friend having few thousands nests told me that his BH has OK increment but can't provide an actual figure.

So, all depend on how you maintain your BHs even at the same location, you may get different results. To be honest with all, I would happily say that if you are a breeder, your BH will surely and obviously see an increment of nests no matter what others around experiencing....... but then, the pull of gold is greater than preservation or helping the species to propagate which only a small percentage will go to your BH while the bigger percentage will benefit your neighbors which now becoming your competitors in luring new birds which I can't see why so....as we are friends and should be unite and share views and experience for the betterment of all farmers( Protectors of swifltlets).

To think that the gain of another is the loss of your's is selfish and totally rubbish in the industry as we all contribute toward this community. Even if today, you contribute some to your neighboring new BH, in near future, this BH will contribute back to your BH as your old BH can draw in more birds than the newer BHs around.

Having said so, there was this one old story that a successful BH owners purposely refused to allow birds to breed in his BH to kill off neighboring new BHs so that they will sell off their BHs after a year of poor achievement ..... and he successful bought up afew BH in the same row of shoplots.

Well, that's the story that I heard.......and the rest are obviously my opinion to share.

My friend,

Let me tell you my reasoning and comments on the matter and that's there isn't a reason for Indo to keep EBN and they are always just dealing with HK all these years and have been doing so for century and only use Malaysia base to legally export EBN directly to China ( if they want to get all certifications for their EBNs in China) all these while cos they cannot export to China due to the Bird Flu for many years. So, Indo nests must be processed and certified safe as the country is still "Bird Flu" country in order to export to any part of the world. Now that Malaysia cannot export our nests, Indo also cannot legalize their nests in China so they will have to wait until their own country can legalize their nests to China which I believe will be more difficult cos of the "Flu" problem. (my assumption only)

1. Due to this, since the day that our country has the problem with Red Nests' incident brought out into the light by a famous Malaysian although these type of nests are never our's but we paid the price like" Lembu punya susu, Sapi dapat nama nya". So, what has this ban on EBN has big impact on Indo's nests. The said Malaysian's intention may meant good but the resultant was found to be HELL for Malaysia EBN as he didn't know (or did he) that all imported unprocessed EBN in China are deemed to be Malaysian EBN on paper.......

2. The Malaysian Authorities is right to ensure that future Malaysian nests exported must be our's and not just passing thru as we do have a reputation to keep otherwise, our nests will be banned, too.

3. So, some form of control is needed at the exporting of nests but why bother with the farmers as we are innocent from the very beginning of the incident.

4. All the authorities need to check are all the exporters to China or any part of the world to ensure that all EBN are local produced EBN and not foreign EBN using our access to China.

5. While admitting that we must make sure that the problem will not arise again but why disallow the export of unprocessed EBN to China or other part of the world; causing the greatest fall in price for our EBN.

6.IF some Dato's want to make our processing nests be the best in the world, we are also proud but pls. do allow unprocessed to be expoted and not to make it a necessity or requirements for export and this will only cause monopolization in the processing of nests and only the handful of the very rich and powerful will only be able to export and what leave us; price determine by a few rich sharks to make a kill whenever they want or fancy.

7.Like I said before, a team of buyers came and I asked them why they are buying so low and that retail price in China is very much the same. The Answers are surprising stupid as they told me that they still have unsold nests in China and so they have to sell high. The demand of nest in China is very much lesser and why are they buying from us and the only reason I can see is that there is no market for the very high end nests i.e Red nests which formally can fetch up to RMB60K now are all gone so there is certainly a huge drop in price but only that it's affecting the over priced nests.

8. If we are honest and only supply and ensure that all Malaysian nests are original and without any additive or chemical, there shall be no reason for China or whatever country to reject our nests as these nests have been proven safe and healthy for hundreds of years......

9. Provide our oversea buyers with real information on our EBN and assure them that the Malaysia authorities will take stiff action against anyone cheating on the nests like putting them behind bars and also canning, too to cause health problem or danger to the consumers but this will definitely be a problem with all the corruption going on.

Need to stop here as I can write for hours on the matter and everyone reading will be bored or sleeping....

Do have a Good Day


Words of Advice: Creating panic will only cause panic selling and this will only benefit middlemen who long ago only make 200/kg and now can make many times this amount. WW

This post has been edited by West Wing: Oct 17 2012, 01:06 PM

Bro,

The industry is still 100% intact and alive as long as the birds return and make nests but something so precious has suddenly becoming so cheap is what we couldn't believe and bear... I am still OK ( Chinese saying that rice pot still full from last season harvesting) and only difficult to find containers for the nests or rather just ignoring the nests and leave them where they are, high up there collecting more shits.....after all, what we are getting are shit price!!!!!!

We seek redress and corrections now and Election is still far away as far as many BH owners are concerned. They can't wait for the election like you and me as we are above water........

So, as my local association is getting the Fed. President and secretary over to explain the present situation, we should welcome them and give them the right to speak up first. Others Associations should do the same and to ask them over to explain all and what actions taken and when can we expect unprocessed nests to be exported. We must hear both sides stories before deciding who is correct and not listening to only one side. We, farmers aren't very concerned about the processed nest unless they allow all to processed and export and not only TOM and HARRY. Also, we want our rights, the right to export EBN unprocessed if there are buyers and we are not concerned about RFID or PPM matters if buyers don't.......

During the meeting, if we think that they are really trying hard to help and to speed up whatever possible way to allow our unprocessed nests to be exported; then all is well otherwise, the meeting will be HELL with them. Remember always stay united and never let anyone make you think that creating another local association will the way out. More associations mean divided strength and why not call for an EGM and a vote of no confidence be table if needed and let all members decide who shall lead the members and I believe this is what democracy should be; the majority win and the rest must abide. Useless to form new association unless there is the only way to solve the problem at hand.

Above are my own feelings in the matter affecting the industry and we all are smart people just bad luck now. Only during bad and troubled time must we stay united cos during good time, no one will be here to hear or even bother to post unlike me, busybody as always.

Remember, you always have me for a friend as that's for swiftlet matter only..hahahaa

Ishaallah, we all are in GOD's Hand....

OH! nobody PM U on the matter also????

Feeling sad but then no one can blame cos with the present situation like fire burning here and there, who else got the heart to talk of anything else but matter concerning export and corruption or stupidity maybe purposely due to self interest involved.

My experience concurred with them in some way but then you need to ensure that the nests are used before harvesting or otherwise, a drop may occur. Why???? you must talk to an experienced guy or do have a fellowship coffee with me and I will tell you why and why and promised that you shall pay for the coffee..OK???

Many former friends here are now Sifus and have migrated to maybe creating their own blogs or should say that no time for this learning forum as they have already graduated from here and becoming a Sifu in their own right with exception of a few died hard guys who never say no to any SOS...........if got the time.

Personally, I am not longer interested in the industry and let it be unless you are in my town and wanna talk "birds" while we have our coffee.

Let start off with a case history,

Ten years ago, I got this one BH with approximated 2500 nests and didn't got the time to service or harvest the nest and after 6 months, the amount of nests in the BH was above 4000 nests........ but if you do harvest only the fledged bird nests, then you may notice that the number of birds flying in and out of the BH seem to be much more but whether that you have disturbed the BH and taken (destroyed) alot of nests and your birds are scared and many will fly in and out so often that many of nearby birds will join in to fly into your BH to check out why so many birds are flying in and out as swiftlets are very curious in nature. So, all will depend on your BH if these new birds will stay . if you just leave the nests, any of these new birds will and may start building nests so fast like the case history above ( provided of course that your BH is a thousand nests over).......without the need to check out and observe your BH for a few days or weeks before deciding to start a family there.

This way, lesser new birds but the percentage is more satisfactory compare to much more birds inclusive of new birds flying in after you harvested alot of nests creating confusing in the BH............" a bird in hand is better many birds in the bush" if you believe that proverb or are you taking chance to open out your BH for public(birds) to see and hope that the amount of new birds checking out will stay.

Taking of Karma,
Infact, I introduce many to venture in to this trade when the price was good and even explained to them on the method of successful swiftlets houses using sanctuary method of ranching and most now have become indifferent since successful due to the high profit generated by the industry..........harvesting 6 times a year.......like a guy telling me that he would be able to pay for a new car each year with the extra income from the 3 extra harvesting if he harvest 6 times instead of 3 as suggested by me.

Throwing away fertilized eggs are also great "SIN" in Buddhism but not in some other religions.

It's all depend on the BH like a BH having over 8K nests and it able to sustain the number due to the 5 stories shop lots and having a reasonable entrance.

Sometime, one wonder how the BH can sustain such a huge number of birds and each time you enter the BH, you can only estimate a few thousand of birds and where and when will the remaining birds return home? Why didn't the sky turns dark when the birds return to roast?

But the counting of nests proved that the BH has over 8K nests and if so, there will certainly be traffic jammed and why no accident happen? The only reason should be that the birds have really very good eyesight and hearing to prevent any accident and also my belief is that the birds return at different time of the days and sometime even on different days in order to avoid traffic jammed situation in the BH. What I saw in such BH was that the birds no longer fly in circle but just like humming birds but they don't knock into each other and that's take alot of skill in flying.

Just my observation in the field if providing sanctuaries for swiftlets.

Yesterday, we attended a talk by the Dato(Federal) and his secretary on the development of swiftlets industry and after listening to their explanation, I told them that we aren't very happy about that the processed nests will be able to be exported and unprocessed nests which we farmers are more concerned.

No point taking about that the price will increase when the production started cos only 5% of the nests will be processed here and there will be no way that the price will go up and we are all at the mercy of the few processing plants. And even as we talk, our price can still maintain at this low price due to the smuggling of nests into China as there are demand and no supply legally or otherwise, your guess is as good as mine, all unprocessed nests can either throw into the sea or sell below Rm1K.

I told them that the authorities must allow unprocessed nests to be exported together with processed nests even China does not allow unprocessed nest in as what the authorities told us ( We don't know if that the truth or not) but we want our nests free passage out now for at least with that we can determine our own future and not up to the few Datos. Whether where or how the buyers are exporting really aren't our concerned at all or that or our Authorities....as they are buying here and exporting the nests on their own accord and the authorities cannot say that they have G2G reasons for not allowing to exporting of nests to China and how do they know that the buyers are really exporting to China thru 3rd.Countries and if so, then that's the matter for the other countries or China to take action and no rubbish of G2G matter as the 3rd.countries do not have the G2G agreement if there is one but who really care now as most of our fellow farmers are almost dying or already gone.

Giving excuses that the processed nests took over a year to be able to export and the unprocessed nests may take longer time meaning more than a year, I told them that they got it all wrong cos unprocessed nests are natural and has been health food for over hundreds years and nobody ever felt sick taking birdnests and so there should no reason for China or any countries to prevent the import of unprocessed nests. Only the processed nests are causing all the problems which include the recent Red incident so the negotiation on unprocessed nests should take no longer than a month because these nests are safe for consumption over hundreds of years and the importing countries esp. China will only need to monitor their own factories processing nests and that way, we can sell our nests like before and the Chinese authorities can control the quality of nests at their own country. So, the matter of RFID or Nitrate or Nitrite are of no importance then as the processing plants in their countries will be able to remove any excessive PPM or shit or feathers from the EBN during the processing. (My believe is that in nature, birdnest never go above 30ppm unless when store wet).

Disallowing exporting of unprocessed nests will only create more and more back stock of nests here and how to increase the price? Our neighboring country also cannot export their nests not because of the ban of exporting nests to China cos they all these years cannot do so legally anyway but now they cannot also export under water because the only country able to export also being banned from exporting due to the Red nest incidence.

Without our nests in China market, any nests found on shelf deem to be smuggled into China. Before, part of the nests exported legally thru Malaysia and the main consignment UW thru HK, thus legalize all 100% nests in China as all nests supposedly Malaysian nests even if they are of other countries origin.

Indo has signed the protocol to export in April this year but still cannot due to some problems but our case should be much easier. Indo now has really huge amount of nests and they are waiting for either countries to export only then they can safely put the nests on sales.........otherwise, all transactions of nests are done under counter even in Chang Ping, China.

Just my observation to share and if you disagree with me, I am very happy to hear from any of readers here exp some experienced exporters like KL, my friend. Really, I hope to see more involvement here to share their knowledge, experience and understandings so we can look forward with confidence and strength.

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Added on October 23, 2012, 11:34 amGoing back to case history again:

A neighbouring BH having over few thousands nests reduced his entrance to prevent night visit by thieves suddenly found that his BH's birds seem to be stagnant or even reduced as I have predicted it to happen but I didn't inform him cos his losses will surely be my gain. I cannot be blamed because I didn't provide him this solution not did he seek my advice on the matter..

After many months, he came to know why or someone must have informed him as we always have some laugh over his silly idea and now, he build a bigger than before entrance and his BH seem to be improving alot since the modification.
Instate of reducing entrance, he now put up a fence to prevent thieves from walking over to his shoplot's roof; a better alternative but very poor and ugly view I would say.

Anyone care to share their experience??

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Added on October 23, 2012, 11:44 amConcurred with your comment as when overcrowded, there shouldn't be any VIP seat or room like in the train and I must add that you may add in more planks so that the birds can build their nests on the planks instead of on the cemented wall.

This post has been edited by West Wing: Oct 23 2012, 05:50 PM

Infact, if you really study all the entrance carefully, they are all the same technically. I mean that open window is the same as open air well as you will need a partition in open window to prevent the unwanted forces like wind and light.
So s the dog kernel type of entrance, you only raise the entance and play area above the BH instead of at the same floor. You only play with the spacing and the method of construction.

When your BHs are in town, the only safe method is the open roof type as the sound will not cause sound disturbances to your neighbours. Other methods, the sound cannot be control well enough and the worst being the open window which the sound hit your neighbours if they are staying behind your BHs and worst of all, in the middle of night when the sound of insects seem so loud, your internal sound hit and disturb them like crazy.

At Agriland, which method to use will depend on location and the type of problems facing the BH. Although open window type will give better flow of movement to the birds but this type is most problematic and most difficult to make prefect.....unlike in Sarawak, where most of the town shoplots are sold floor by floor and their only alternative is to open window BH unless you bought the top floor but Sarawak is blessed with plentiful of swiftlets. Then, you may expect also more complaints there, too unless Sarawakian are of those happy go lucky type of people that are forgiving unlike here.

Some way of farming from yours truly.

This post has been edited by West Wing: Oct 24 2012, 03:07 PM

My friend,

Don't save when your health is at state and one spray of this chemical last so long and I don't even remember the last time I did it......... when I don't feel it or see it hurting my birds, I don't take action. that's my way.

Never spray too often as you don't need to and also it's not good for your health or that of the birds.. but you said that you spayed 2 weeks once, you either must be using fake chemical or that you have diluted it too much to be effective.

You still feel itchy so you must be OK cos these days, all here are already numb all over...hahahaha.

May I suggest.........

Why use compressed air and wouldn't vacuuming ar better idea to try???

I m no expert but common sense tell me that by using using air gun will cause all dirts and what have you in the nests to fly all over the area esp if you are doing the work in the kitchen as most of us do. Better way will be using vacuum cleaner to remove all dirts, pests esp. feathers and what have you in the nests into the dirt bags and you may want to recycle the dirt bag to reuse tiny bits of EBN for own usage. Remember that you are inhaling some of the dirts forced out by the pressure gun.

I am thinking of an idea here to make tweezers with a sucking nozzle to help to raise the feathers while we try to remove the feathers......since friends here are taking about cleaning nests.

What I believe is that there aren't any harmful bacteria in the swiftlets environment which include their shits as have been proven many times by the authorities.........but then shit being shit that many of us have fear for it and too much of these that go into the lung isn't good for health. So far, I haven't been using any form of protection when I was in the BH as I feel more relax not having something over my mouth and that's cause some discomfort when I do my harvesting that many friends have fallen down ladders. Therefore, my concern is that I will always be aware and awake that I would fall down from the ladders......alert all the time.

Just a suggestion only and repeating again that I M no expert in the field.

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Added on October 29, 2012, 1:08 pmBro,

You make it sound like you are entering a danger zone each time you enter the BH..............................

If there is a reason and danger of causing disease caused by the swiftlets or its shit to human race, we all will be chase out of town.....and every BH on agriland will be controlled and regulate by the authorities so not to spread any BH disease to human race. So, please never say that the industry is harmful to human and if so, we @ town will all die before the price do.

From my personal point, I don't know about the rest of you but if I use a mask or respirator, I can't even stay alert in the BH for 30 mins........and without the mask, I practically can stay for more than 4 hours even skipping lunch... but then U is U and I m I lain lain feeling lah. I have been doing so for over 20 years.......

So, don't let raayat think that going into a BH like going to LYNAS factory as BH is practically very safe with exception of stepping on shits, some ammonia and bugs that we can handle. Just imagine if raayat see us going into our BH with gears that make us look more like a spaceman than a cowboy(Birdman); it really become so scary if you get my breeze. If you are those clean or very health conscious people, do employ some labourers to do the dirty jobs of cleaning and harvesting and you wait at the entrance to collect your nests and pay the labourers wages just like the towkeys in our neighboring country or my rich friends from Selangor.

Be happy cos I don't mean to offend anyone here but just to caution the discussion as the raayat and worst if the unhappy authorities may be viewing us as we post............so, happy posting but stay out of danger.........

This post has been edited by West Wing: Oct 29 2012, 06:44 PM

A chiller is a fridge and a freezer is a freezer and when is a freezer fridge then?
A chiller is one that protect the nutrients and freshness of food and a freezer is one that stop bacteria growing and so, generally speaking, the fridge at home is both a chiller fridge and freezer fridge in one.

So, the argument go on to ask if the EBN store in freezer fridge to kill the bugs cos it must be very cold to kill the bugs, what will become of its nutrition and freshness value as we are taking about high quality health food in EBN. Maybe, that's why all wholesalers of EBN store their nests in chiller and not in freezer....to maintain its freshness and also at cool temperature, the nests can last very long even years.

Something to think about, won’t you think so?

Talking of using a vacuum cleaner for removing dirt from nests; I have done one months ago I did for alot of other equipments like ultrasonic humidifier before they sell it in the market for BH ( I bough them in China and use large plastic container for the water tank).

So, if anyone can tell me how to download the picture of the modified vacuum cleaner that I have made to the forum from a Iphone, I shall gladly share with you all so that you need not think of how to do it. It so simple if you know how to install one as it acts both as a air gun as well as a sucking basin all together.

The total cost is the cost of the vacuum cleaner plus 10 ringgits only.

This post has been edited by West Wing: Oct 31 2012, 05:41 PM

Sorry about a mistake of the modification of vacuum cleaner and infact, it's isn't modification but vacuum cleaner with both inlet and outlet used at the same time..and you idea of issuing an industrial fan won't work like a vacuum cleaner but then nothing can compare to that power of the air gun....but at bad time like now, saving cost is essential to many owners. Cleaning some shits/dirt away may tempt buyers to give a higher price for our nests.

Looking at the present situation, it may take many months to get better price and only when the processed nests can be exported so can our unprocessed nests, too. Someone told me that there is no nests selling on shelf at China at present and my reason is that if anyone try to put EBN back on shelf, the authorities in China will confiscate all as all legally imported nests were deemed Malaysian and Malaysia nests haven't been exported for over a year.

So, everyone sell EBN under counter in China these days and what's price we got are because not of the news that our nests can be exported but rather that some nests go underwater to China so that the Chinese can still have their supply of nests. If we are to depend on our factories buying our nests at reasonable price, better wait another year cos they can only process 5 to 10% of our nests.

Happily, that once our nests can be exported very soon so will the rest can be sold on shelf as Malaysian nests ( Indo still not able to export yet) and by this way, we hope to be able to gain better price for our nests........ with buyers that will export unprocessed nests to China or other places by ways only known to themselves.

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Added on November 1, 2012, 11:59 am

Tak boleh, Kawan. Semua ikut U cakap..................

I download it to my computer but cannot add to the posting lah. Abit out dated in computer knowledge......hahahahhha

Hey, Coolandy, what's wrong with your email ????

This post has been edited by West Wing: Nov 1 2012, 01:53 PM

[quote=philoswiflet,Nov 2 2012, 08:21 PM]
I bought a freezer few months ago... but did not bother to use after using it once after storing for a period. The freezer is about 2ft tall x 2ft wide and 4 feet long; cost me $810.

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Added on November 2, 2012, 9:15 pm

Freezer is cheaper than Chiller and I wonder why????? And remember to store your EBN fresh longer, one must store them in chiller and not freezer.......otherwise, you got patahan only.

This post has been edited by West Wing: Nov 3 2012, 01:37 PM

No one has ever die of eating EBN for centuries and even that of the Red Nests although not advisable to consume due to the high level of N. Nitrate or Nitrite has never been proven to cause death or cancer but because Doctors have fear that they will cause cancer.......but without these Ns, more death will occur due to other factors and do have hundreds of confirmed cases of people dying of improper preservation or should say lack of using Ns in the preparation of the preserved food.

Vegetarians should be the ones to worry as they do consume alot of Ns from the diet of vegetable and alot of chemical and additives that make their food taste better like sea food or chicken or what ever you want your vegetarian food to look like and taste like..

Nitrates are widely used in preservation of meat and food experts never published that these Ns are bad but rather too much of it it is bad and we get 90% of the Nitrates from vegetable and not from preserved meat which do cause alot of fear at they do contain alot of Ns but not EBN, which is a more than 3 generations of health food which suddenly become a problem and why?

I feel like that they are bullying us and I believe that they have turn their guns at the wrong people for the wrong reasons.....Tell those chinese experts to ask their grandfathers on EBN heath advantages and how come their GFs can live such long healthy life as when your lung are healthy, you extend your life, too.....

My layman theory and explanation on the nitrates problem facing our EBN which should be allow unprocessed EBN right from the birds and let the EBN consuming countries decide how and what to become the end products........30 or 60 or 100 PPM. My suggestion also on packaging of EBN which I feel is wrong cos they wet the EBN and cause the level of N to increase so high as we all know that water + shit+heat will turn the nests PPM up and up and infact worse also with 0 Nitrate and seal air free so no oxygen, maybe worst thing may happen like infected with deadly germs like Clostridium botulinum, which cannot survive with the presence of Nitrate and oxygen.

May God help the Chinese if Hell go loss due to no nitrate in EBN and no oxygen in packaging with wetness.

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Added on November 11, 2012, 11:44 amIf the price remain the same in China, then that will mean that there is a shortage of nests in China and there are buyers of EBN and Sellers are scare to sell for fear of getting arrested for selling undeclared or smuggled good as there shoulb be no nests in China as the Chinese has banned EBN from Malaysia which supposedly the only country allow to export EBN then,,,,,,

You will see the picture that 95% of EBN in China are underwatered and I believe that most of nests sold at present are to only regular clients and no more to strangers. We really don't know if there is a drop in the sales of EBN in China just that no nests can be seem in Shops normally dealing in EBN...........but we are sure that 0% sale from the upper category nests which is the RED nests which affect the Rich. Powerful and Famous group.

The low price here is because that there are lack of interest in buyers and not in China and not low demand of nests in China otherwise the price of EBN in China will drop due to poor sales and every businessman will tell you so.......but now, the Chinese outlets are buying cheap EBN and can sell high due to lack of EBN in the market and if we are able to flood the market in China with EBN, then the price may drop due to competition among sellers there.

Now, with news from a closed friend that even underwater gate is closed in China for now, more downs are expected to happen so budget your spending carefully. One suggestion is that buyers must remember that the China border is so huge even with million soldiers patrolling, there is no way to close all channels and alot of our Chinese counterparts are Cor****** then just pay pay lah.......

This post has been edited by West Wing: Nov 11 2012, 11:50 AM

Let me teach you a way to make back some of the lost income from EBN.

Process you own nests and the most easier and simplest way is to do it into cake form and if you are at my age (cannot focus near too well), employ someone SYT to do the job.
Let say you employ one @ Rm600/month and even new young girl can easily clean 1.5K (100% cleaned) in a month.
Calculation/justification:
1. 1 Kg of patahan or 3S birdnest can only fetch @ Rm1K Max.. presently
2, Cleaning worker cost even 1Kg per month Rm600
Total cost of birdnest Rm1,600
You can easily sell the nests @ Rm3500/Kg and faster if you sell at smaller quantity like few hundreds grams giving you additional income of about Rm1300 per month per worker more than selling those rejects @ less than Rm1K. Id you don't believe, check it out @ medical shop and you will find that you are giving special offer @ this price.
Addition to this, you can proudly claim that your nests are 100% pure and direct from the farm…. just like what I preached all the time.

Thank me later when you sell more than 10K of nests and roughly about Rm13,000 more………

This post has been edited by West Wing: Nov 12 2012, 08:00 PM

"Yen Pien" and maybe someone can provide pic of it here for our friend. Well, size and shape can come in many other shapes like heart if you are going for the V day sale or come out with special designs for special occasion....only if you come out with the mold of your design.

Great!!!!!!!! R U doing these beautiful shape for V day?????

Then, Red Heart shape nests can really sell on D day as Young @ heart don't mine alittle more N as long as the heart is RED with ribbon...hahahaha

PS: Pics showing aren't our type of BHs' nests.

This post has been edited by West Wing: Nov 13 2012, 05:51 PM

If It's for me then let go cos nowaday, you can buy offered BHs at cheaper price and 3S BH with a acre of land will cost you lower than Rm500K and with alot of birds.......and adding to your problem is trying to outsmart 65 other BHs in getting birds to stay. R U capable of beating others in getting birds and with the present situation, you already lose heart and without the confidence, all gone.

BH that can fetch over 10M 2 years ago, now even at 50% discount also no buyer lah?? Nobody interested in the industry anymore as most have given up hope and even God stay on the side line, so as they say for Malaysian are destroying Malaysian for own selfish interest and at the end, everybody suffer and hope that now is already the END and if more are coming, you may also see the last of me...........