Let me C from my crystal Ball, your BH must has the entrance hole facing the wind and so all the warm air in the BH all blow away and also the wall very fast cool down. If there is no wind, the warmest in anything will maintain but if there is wind, then the warmest in the surrounding will soon blown away and new cool air take the place of the warm air in the area.

A blockage of the flow of wind may prevent the inflow of the cold wind of the night into the BH and warmest of the day to maintain longer but how and what to do are up to you as no one here has been into your BH to see and experience the coolness of the night ( wish that I may have your bld for my home as I spend over 300 ringgits on aircon a month and EBN isn't paying now..................

Let me tell u a method that you may want to use and that by using the ultrasonic humidifier as ultrasonic humidifier produce warm mist instate of cool mist of the Taiwanese humidifier...........warmest cause by the oscillation of the oscillator disks. Hopefully this will increase you BH to a respectable temperature if that what you are seeking. Remember that warm air rise and cold air fall so your chicks will have warm beds and thank to uncle WW for the info......... Ha Ha Ha Ha so everyone can laugh a little during the bad days and hopefully, we will be able to sell our EBN at a more respectable price instead of shit quote provided by buyers now..........

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Added on August 21, 2012, 8:50 pm
Before I forget to wish all our Muslim friends here

“SELAMAT HARI RAYA AIDIL FITRI,
Maaf , Zahir dan Batin.”

Iklas daripada

Saya, West Wing dan keluarga.


This post has been edited by West Wing: Aug 21 2012, 08:50 PM

Here, this morning, there were these 2 buyers offering Rm2K for 1/2 cup and 1.4K for corner and I wasn't interested to sell at this price neither was I interested to introduce sellers to them....let them search for those sellers wanting to sell.

They seem to be more interested in corners as they already have buyers for them as usually,,, no one even care to quote for corner when 1/2 cup is already so low................

Just to let you all know of the price here and you may have other idea or plan.

This post has been edited by West Wing: Aug 23 2012, 05:45 PM

Hopefully, you didn't sell your nests for that Rm1200 mixed as we here have quote for Rm1400 for corner which is better than your mixed nests price. So, why sell so low than I might be able to buy and make a profit selling your nests but then it's wasn't right and honest to do so.


Even at Rm1400 corners,,, I still not selling and I do have alot of corners as I never replace these corners with round pieces for my intention is always the birds first.. By letting here know about the buyers' quotes are to inform here of the better price so that all can and be able to sell better and not at the mercy of those merciless buyers who are out to make fast killing and no thanks to our G'men involvement in helping to get us into the present situation.


So,, as I said, think what best for yourself and if Rm1K is what you want for your nests so be it and I am not buying cos I will feel bad and will not pass my own feeling on sin done on friends....although I shall make monies but than that not my wealth obtained honestly and I shall never be involved.

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Added on August 25, 2012, 11:36 amso.............will the price be coming up soon and that our export be allow when??? Too many Questions but no real Answers .


And who is the No.8 party and must be somebody no kind to our industry that you feel distasted, right? All must be united as One and not each group trying to outdo the others by going to the authorities alone for personal gain. Unity is strength and without it, we are at the mercy of the you know who....

This post has been edited by West Wing: Aug 25 2012, 08:16 PM

That's why I shouted "BOHONG" many times when he spoke instead of "PLEASE" as what to please as He was lying ............believing all attending to be Fools.........like the lady sitting infront of me telling me to allow him to speak. Why? so he can have his show with the press on the delay for the export of EBN that we do believe him ; that lady was really foolish..............

I even asked if anyone there having birdshit so that I can throw at him...........luckily no one had or else you may have to visit me in jail.

These people already knew of the matter long before us but still wanting to force their way thru by buying some time but we won't be cheated again and again and lucky,,,,,,,,,,,,,with today fast internet; everything become transparent in no time and I believe that they don't have the time to follow up in the internet and still think that we still blur blur on the matter.....

This post has been edited by West Wing: Aug 29 2012, 07:01 PM

My friend told me that "Great!" and we can export nests now but I said" Shit and double Shit" it's all the same as we are not allow to export Raw nest and only processed nests. Where are the EBN farmers right to a fair price of EBN and why are we farmers have to pay for what others did................

Give your 1Malaysia Logo for anyone as we don't care but we do care that rare nests be allow to export so that we farmers can get the best price available and may it be in TBT.......we shall be allow to do so.

We don't have Red Nests and PPM @ China wasn't our problem at all. If you know that formally these exporters export the nests very wet and that's why the PPM increases. Once, my friend @ KL asked me to sell him a Kg of processed nest and since I haven't got the time to do so; I bought it from a friend from KT and sold it to him @ cost and what's happened was that I didn't open the box and sent it to my friend and he rang me that next day and complaint that the nests weren't the same as mine that I sold him before. This time, the nests smelled like salted fish and felt like rubber but I don't believed him then and asked him to send sample of the nest by courier.

And guess what............he was right that the nests smelled like salted fish and that they were like rubber which you can fold them into your hand and release them back into the form. Phoned up this seller but told that he sells with 10% water but I think 35% is more correct. Walau, I sold to my friend @ 6K per K and he sold at the same price but wet; making huge profit.

So, the problem with PPM lie with the processing plant and the exporter and if they do not totally wet the nests, the nests will not have such high PPM and even processed nests like this friend's nests, it still smell bad like having very high PPM.

Maybe, try finding way to export EBN dry or if alittle wet but cold, then I believe that PPM problem can be solved. Maybe, these guys don't even want to solve the problem but wanted to make fast monies out of poor farmers like us.

Honestly, can someone please tell me what is the different now that we can export processed nests cos we still will be forced to sell to afew selected Datos maybe but our EBN price remain low as our price will be determine by these people.

Ini mana boleh tetapi manang BOLEH cos Malaysia BOLEH bukan!

This post has been edited by West Wing: Sep 3 2012, 02:17 PM

Buyers now are now like sharks and they attack when there see some trace of blood ( our blood). If the buyers told me that the market has drop badly, I will tell him to kiss my ass but if he said a little lesser, than I may admit, too. Otherwise, the buyers will not come so regularly but only offer lower price each time and there will be owners willing to sell......sad story.

This week, 2 buyers came and the same 2 came 2 weeks ago.............why there are certainly market out there otherwise, even 1K per Kilo, they also will not buying and they want nests and lots of it but they smelled difficult fishes here...just take time and they will sell...

These guys aren't the rich people who can afford to keep the nests and they must have way to take the nests out to China and there are market for our nests...........so no worry, all we need to do are to become criminals, too as we were all these while gentlemen and law biding citizens and we all know that smuggling is illegal but force to so what to do.........

Oh yes, one friend even told me that when he was in HK recently, he asked around on the market and price and was scolded by the EBN merchant that all these are because of our Gov, Malaysia Gov......

This post has been edited by West Wing: Sep 3 2012, 08:19 PM

If ever there going to be a next show(protest), I think that we all cover our mouth with tape as the gov of the day isn't listening to the raayat and all the raayat can do is not to shout anymore and save our strength for the polling day.....and this coming Thursday, there will be a dinner hosted by the MCA President @ PJ and anyone here going...........and we shall see if we are allow to talk sense to him to understand that this coming election is very important to him but more to the BH owners and if he can solve our problem well, then his party may have better result in the election......... sorry about politic but any way out is a good suggestion.

All we wanted all the time is to allow free export of EBN and not only controlled cleaned nests and that tourists coming here be allowed to take out nest back home without any restriction...and why care if their gov don't allow and that's the tourists' problems and not our's.

Do you still remembered that last time EBN dropped to lesser than RM2K and that was also due to Indo Buyers' nests were confiscated by the authorities and not over supply which we all were make to believe.

There are really many other things that the ministers can do and they didn't but just wanna to be manipulating here as billions can be earned. so far, do you know that turtle eggs are still available in the market even when most sea turtle supposedly are extinct or others going to be extinct...........reason is that those people that stay by the beach traditionally were allow to harvest turtle eggs and so it's tradition and can continue but we are not allow to export EBN and isn't these also tradition that we export unprocessed nests.........so we all wait for the turtle to be extinct and also, swiftlet farmers, too another extinct specie in Malaysia.... Politic is always politic and those who are in power has 2 mouths like in the Chinese saying.

Enough said and now I too must tape my big mouth............... or else I may land myself in serious trouble

Why set up so many Associations for swiftlets, just one or two but best if all under one. How come 8 to 10 associations for swiftlets all the sudden. If members are unhappy with the key officers of the association, better call for EGM and kick those "Self Interested" officials out and replace them with members who care and concern for the trade and not for own pocket or interest; most importance of all, sincere and willing to help members and the trade. Always remember that unity is strength and what the authorities see and want to see is a bunch of scathed sand whom cannot see eye to eye. Maybe there are a few Associations purposely set up to destroy the united front??????

Many years ago, I proposed and set up our local swiftlets association when the Federal Birdnest Association came to sign up new members from our town but I advice all here to set up another one because the federal Association is not swiftlets farming Association but rather birdnests wholesaler Association which we are not and I was afraid that the Fed would not be able to settler our local problem with the local authorities as they were too far away.


Today,, we have more than a hundred members in just a small town, and equally proud to say there is still only one Club here.

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Added on September 10, 2012, 6:31 pmIn reality, who we can trust? In my opinion of course "without prejudice" to anyone hereinafter...................

Can we trust the Federal Association which have lied to us and rumor has it that the problem was caused by the Fed Association but now we are having new President?'
Can we trust the Government whose Minister and Head of Dept. also lied to us?
Can we trust our own local Association chief which at present aren't effective in solving our problem as we still unable to export legally????????????

C'mon, why can't we export raw nests like before and only China itself may prevent us from exporting there and this also have nothing to do with us, poor farmers as that's the problem with exporters as we aren't concerned if they are to export to Indonesia or Singapore to get better price as we also would like a better price for our harvest.

We are equally happy if the Gov want to help fellow Malaysians to process EBN into high value health food but since these companies are in Malaysia, they should give us better quotation for our EBN as they do not incur transportation and risk like our foreign buyers.

I heard that instate of RFID, the Agriculture minister is thinking of using another form of tracking EBN and if that the case, wait another few months and maybe years......'

So, we all sing the mandarin song " Another 3 years" which is appropriate here as how many more months must we wait or that we need to wait for another 3 years......

Oh God! Lead us to the one that really and honestly want to help us cos Ah Jib Ko didn't listen to our prayer the last time!!!!


This post has been edited by West Wing: Sep 10 2012, 06:31 PM

I went to KL for D meeting of the Federal Association on the invitation of our Local President and I was there all prepared to do battle if necessary but what I saw and what I see were a few of keen leaders trying hard to save the industry. The Videos provided were convincingly OK but when asked why RFID was in the Protocol sent to China, Ms. Carol said and show me some proofs that the letter of minister N.O. to China include other tracking equipments and these are no force on producers and they can use it or not.

The raw EBN matter will be next on discussion and they will solve these as soon as possible......Dato T asked to give him time as he just become the President for just 2 months. I told Carol that I will know the truth later and if they are doing these all for the good of the industry, I will personally thank her for their effort.

Dato told me that we should have no problem getting approval to export our raw EBN and if anyone having problem can seek the help of the Federal Association in getting the approval..........anyone here has problem; then go and see Dato or his deputy or BOD and if he didn't and cannot settle your problem, then pls. pm me to do what I do best when I got the opportunity to see him!!!!!!!!! .......but one must be honest and well mannered when seeking help.

Anyway, Dato T has helped our Kmn Association many times when I requested help from him and he did solved our problems for us ( He has the ability to meet with the top people)......so, I need to appreciate his kind gesture and assistance in helping us in time of need and hopefully, this time, he doesn't fail us and all above are my own personally belief and comments only......

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Added on September 18, 2012, 2:17 pmSpeaking about prices, many have taken advantages of the situation. Here, there is buyer for the chinese offering just RM1500/KG AB and those interested may approach them and the middleman said these chinese merchants will buy any amount.

Middleman told my friend that his commission is Rm200/kg.........I don't advice you to sell but if you need to sell to pay installment or otherwise, can pm me for contact no....... These chinese are here for other buz and saw a golden opportunity to make fast cash and don't ask me how they can take the nests back to China and sell. Remember that I did tell that the price in China still remain but the retail outlets reason is that they still have old stock so who are buying the nests, I wonder????????

This post has been edited by West Wing: Sep 18 2012, 02:17 PM

Anyone here know anything about the "1Malaysia Best" requirement for the export of EBN. A friend told me that one need the 1Malaysia Best to export EBN apart from all other certifications and approvals.......and this is where they get back at you.

Need more information before can open fire.......

You are right that I should have ask him but then, I offended him @ KL with my lines of Qs..... and he is now @ China.

Like I said. he asked for a little more patience as he just become the President of the Association. Our Local BH association President ( a BOD of the Federal Association) didn't attended the meeting discussing the RFID matter previously and so, he invited me to join him to the meeting in KL recently. I pray that Dato will do as he promised at the meeting. Infact, we really have no choice now but only to trust him and his team for this time... With election so near, Ajib Kor isn't so stupid to allow them to go if for their own personal agenda cos' their returning home maybe a beginning of their farewell.

As always, my own honest and sincere opinion on the matter discussed.

1. I don’t know much about MLM schemes but do know alittle about pyramid schemes and I believe that they are similar, right?

2. Pyramid schemes now illegal and isn’t the MLM schemes the same?

3. The question is whether the money being made is legitimate or "Con". Once jump into the water, be prepare to get wet cos you will be wet for good or bad. Be careful.

Maybe, some experts on the matter may want to enlighten us on the MLM scheme by the company so that all here don't have to suffer more difficulties while we await for the China's results and the future of the EBN price affecting here and Asean, too.

Sorry if I seem to answer or post alot of postings here as I do care and concern about fellow swiftlets sanctuaries providers as if good but honest money can be made, swiftlets will be protected well. Hope that more SOS (Save Our Swiftlets) sifus and members do provide infos and knowhow here to all for free.

So, Happy Posting !!!!!

I been too busy with everything and forget to greet you but hopefully, you are here as our friend in need as we need alot of friends. Maybe, we may need you and your associates as exporter in Indonesia to help us to export our unprocessed nests to Indonesia or oversea if allow to and that your buyers can provide better price than our slaughter houses in Malaysia.

Just maybe, we may consider in the near future to convert our BHs into pig farming cos if COW can stay in Air Con apartments in Singapore, why not Pigs in BH. If pigs! I believe the NO will never interfere with our trade as it's haram to him......and pork is so expensive these days....but then, pig farm also very difficult to get license or otherwise, we all venture into pig farming and make huge profit. Hahahaha..sori, bad time to make jokes!!!!!

This post has been edited by West Wing: Sep 22 2012, 02:30 PM

Yesterday, 2 local buyers came and told me that they represent buyers from Vietnam and wish to know the price @ my location as they are interested to buy and in large quantity.

I told them that normally, the buyers would quote us a price and if the price is right, we will sell.............they told me that AB, they offer Rm1800-RM2000 as the present market price and can negotiate if EBN quality is good. They want a constant of 100K to 200K per month and I told them that this is no problem provided if the Vietnamese can offer good value for our nests and I can assured them of the supply.

So, anyone here from Vietnam or know anything about the situation in Vietnam and is there a shortage of nests there? The local buyers for the Vietnamese told me that Vietnam now not only produce bottled nests(mostly) as I knew long ago but that they are in the buz of producing Yen chang for export ( secretly, you know and I know if so, it's must be for China market for other countries don't care much for Yen Chang and prefer processed nests in cake form or bottled whichever is cheaper) also.....therefore, we, Malaysian are always initially first as Malaysian are good in taking opportunities but now, already behind other countries in every trades, thanks to our intelligent and hardworking minister and his gang!!!!!! for the kind interferences and you know what!!!!!!

Anyway, above are just my observation and "Berita Hari Ini" to share among friends......or sufferers should I said.

I wasn't pessimistic until recently, when I know that it's Malaysian killing Malaysian and like if you can't even trust your own brothers..........what's more the "Tai Ko" in the form of Minister and Datos ranks.

So, in the meantime, anyone wanting to buy and offer better price than those SOB would be a welcome, I guess for at least, I need not dream of rats stealing my nests under my pillow hahahaha.


ps: Those Vnam are also here for the killing like you said..... look like there is a gap left by Malaysian and the V are making a fast run for it at our expense ..........no thanks to our Gmen.

This post has been edited by West Wing: Sep 29 2012, 07:34 PM

When you are old and so used to BH, there isn't any excitement in visiting one and not even your own. My latest collection is completed and one day before the handling over the BH, the Indo subcon rang me and told me," Boss, banyak burung dalam dan masok juga control room!" Mari tengok tengok and I wasn't excited and didn't go to see what happening. The next day, the Indo man came to my office and asked when I was going to pay him for the services ie the remainder of the uncompleted work left by the Kontractor (mind you more than RM45K).........and he show me his Ipad (boy!, even orang Indo worker has a Ipad now) with video of my BH and the birds flying cycling inside and in the control room.........I was definitely glad and paid him without even checking the work done. Two days later, I went to the BH and I believe the the tweeters wiring is wrong and amps wrongly connected but I just left it as it it and now is about 2 months....even the work terrible and bad but I hope that the birds don't mind staying lah.

No more excited over the matter any more and reasons could be.
1. Fed up with farming already.
2. Getting too old to meddle or repair 15ft height BH. Tried once to climb a 12ft. ladder (expensive one lah) and I felt unsafe up there.
3. BH doesn't excite me anymore
4. Possible that the low price has negative effect on me.
5. My son told me to sell off all BHs, retire and spend well as if I don't, after I died and surely will, they will sell off the BHs as they have no interest in it........
6. Friends asked me to visit their BHs recently never get a "OK" from me and before, I was always ready to go at any time of the day.

So, in my case, the proverb of "I care for the swiftlets for 3 years and the swiftlets will care for my 3 generations" are all gone as when I die so are all my BHs.....and and with present price, you will lucky that your next generation can survive on EBN.

Another story from me and hope that you like it.

All we tried to do are all in vain.Either we speak different language or someone purposely change the subject of conversation.

I told the Federal Asociation that since 90% of the members are farmers then farmers must come first in their priority agenda and if China want only processed nests so be it and China isn't the only country in the world that buy our nests and infact, if we really turn back the pages; it's the Indo buyers representatives that bought the most nests from us and who care for the few BH owners like B or J that can afford to export their nest directly to China.

By not allowing our unprocessed nests out, the authorities have infact kill our abilities to have better quotes for our nests and now, we only have local buyers representing local processing plants or some underwater buyers that smuggle nests into China or who really care where they export to. Both of them are offering so low for such good EBN and they are also so choosy that you felt sick immediately after their visit.

Please like before by allowing our nests to be exported and if China wants processed nests; that's isn't a problem at all but pls. let us remain the same ie selling nests to anyone willing to buy....but if our govt. banned all export of unprocessed nests; we far, mers are all doomed and await the slaughter room.....................Really till today, I still don't understand the logic of the authorities of banning the export or our unprocessed nests as this was done for hundred of years and we aren't selling directly to China anyway; at least, majority of us poor farmers and why we need to bear the penalty of the wrong that the Orang Kaya have done.

These rich BH owners didn't need to suffer as they have the authorisation for processing plant and so the export permit so I heard and what's about us!!!!!! We don't ask for alot and infact, we ask for nothing and only freedom to sell to anyone wanting to buy and all the authorities need to do is allow the free flow of the nests..and that's isn't alot to ask for. We are not beggars nor we want or need the govt to subsidize our income ............. "we have learn the art of fishing and know where to fish but allow us to right to the river side so that we can fish".......likewise, let GOD decide our future and not some ministers............above are only my personal feelings over the present situation that never seem to end....

Bro,

Incompetence is one thing but very greedy and want all is another thing!!!!!!!

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One thing for sure, everyone can manage Malaysia as Malaysia has everything.....a country made in Heaven.

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This post has been edited by West Wing: Oct 8 2012, 12:43 PM

1.B patient.......everyone is desperate for wanting to increase birds including the BH having over 10K nests and still renovating for more space.. so, everyone in the trade is aiming for the small quantity of young birds as many farmers are not producing new birds.. initially, 1ftx6ft plank design now becoming 1ftx2ft as there is no space for the birds already.

2. "Many birds come" don't mean many birds stay but then at least you stand a very good chance than your neighbor if he see "no bird coming" lah.

3. So difficult to be your own "DIY" BH if you stay far away as observation is importance in securing birds.... so, you must do it to your best ability and wait for result and if result is good, leave the BH as it is for at least few months for best results. Good external sound is to pull the birds into your BH and good internal sound is to make them used to the surrounding and staying need more than that as here surrounding, temperature and other factors also importance.

Patent of shits in the BH do tell you progress or mistake made so everything is importance as each item add in to get better result. One thing that you should remember is that not the loudest sound is the best but the most attracting sound as too loud a sound may frighten or disturb the birds.

So much today and hope you well.

This post has been edited by West Wing: Oct 9 2012, 03:04 PM

As for Lawyers, I have had this experience. Afew of my friends engaged 2 lawyers to take up their case and one of the lawyers told my friends that this case is 100% WIN case and their fee is RM40K upfront. I stood up and asked if it's 100% WIN case, then why need to go to court and what is the duty of the judge then because the case is sure win or if lose, will you lawyers give back the advance Rm40K paid cos the case is sure win lah.

You know what, the lawyer immediately asked from which Legal firm I am from and when I told them that I am not from any Law firm; they refused to talk to me again. Honest Lawyer is more difficult to come by than honest consultants......

Valuable Ten Words

The most selfish one-letter word:
“I” Avoid it

The most satisfying two-letter word:
“WE” Use it

The most poisonous three-letter word:
“EGO” Kill it

The most used four-letter word:
“LOVE” Value it

The most pleasing five-letter word:
“SMILE” Keep it

The fastest spreading six-letter word:
“RUMOUR” Ignore it

The most hardworking seven-letter word:
“SUCCESS” Achieve it

The most enviable eight-letter word:
“JEALOUSY” Distance it

The most powerful nine-letter word:
“KNOWLEDGE” Acquire it

The most divine ten-letter word:
“FRIENDSHIP” Maintain it.

This post has been edited by West Wing: Oct 14 2012, 05:32 PM