"premis perniagaan tidak dibenarkan" with this statement, billions or trillions of ringgit will be lose and many will go bankrupt or very poor if they enforce them.

So, before the fire spread to your area, clear them before they clear you out............get the local association to ensure your BH safety first and if can't then change the sky and paint it into other color..............before they change it RED with fire.

We don't have much time as election is very near and we still have little time. We do have the bargaining power as our vote still very valuable much more than EBN but after the election, we only have SHIT. Sad to see if my birds all die and honestly, not for the money only.

If the government wishes, we can buy up the whole BH area and convert it to only BH sanctuary and with the money from selling off other unused buildings, the authorities can built a new proper plan town just for human if needed........ after all, when an area is populated with swiftlet, it has become a core for swiftlets and these swiftlets will remain there forever unless we killed them all.

1 Raayat Malaysia

This post has been edited by West Wing: Jun 7 2012, 10:48 AM

Thanks Bro for your concerns and regards,

I wonder if our GMEN is treating our imports the same as our export of EBN and if so, we are in good hand and live to 100.
Must admit that these days of taking EBN daily, my friend told me that I don[t grow a day older since 10 years ago, hahahahahhaa

All imported food esp. China must be safe to consume and all should have the requirements and certifications. If so, I think that 90% of food imported from Asia countries are ban from importing....even the canned food from China. That's what I think unless someone here think otherwise.

Well. we expected the decline of consumers buying EBN and it will take some time to normalize but we cannot export, where and when and worse that now we can no longer export unprocessed nests due the 30%N requirement. Don't worry as Dr. Mat has said that Malayu cepat lupa, well, China lampat lupa tetapi akan lupa juga dan akan makan sarang burung walit seperti biasa.

I must lock up m BHs for afew years and wait until the sky turn clear again by then, maybe my BHs may have many times the amount of nests; although most will be at least 6 ins. high and the shit 8 ins. deep.

This post has been edited by West Wing: Jun 9 2012, 11:03 AM

Totally agreed with you. We now have so many panic selling and there isn't anyway to reverse the panic selling.

Like I said, just afew days ago, one of my friend sold AB @ RM2300 but last week, others sold @ Rm2500 and just this morning, a friend phone up and asked if I have nests to sell and my reply was that there will be if price is right and I asked him for a quote instead of me wanting to sell @ what price cos my asking will never be the price the buyer like. So, he quoted me just RM1800 for AB and if this goes on, we shall be better off selling ice cream. I am not asking all to hold back cos Malaysian are only 20% of the total export of EBN and the Indo owners are the one who decide up or down as they own over 70& of the EBN. I am proud of myself for at least I do my part and any future downfall of the nests isn't my doing at least, I didn't contribute to it's down....So far, I was doing well cos when others are selling at Rm2000, I secure Rm2500 for me and my friends but recently, I am facing backlash from buyers that seem to know my trick and by bypass me and going straight to my friends and spread the bad news that the sky is falling and and fast.causing many sell off cheaply. Even if the sky is falling, at least by holding on, we may have a future otherwise, better go rearing chicken or anything because everything is going up and EBN is going down and not just down but very fast, too just like share market; today Rm2300, tomorrow Rm2000.

I know that we are all afraid but we must not allow buyers to pull us by the nose. We decide our own future and if you can't, best go out of the industry immediately for at least you shall get a higher price for your BH for the future of industry is still uncertain due to inability of our Gmen. BH @ town suffer the most dut the uncertainty of the price and the lessen problem facing the town's BH. BH which easily change hand @ Rm3M, now no more than 50% cos the BH is no longer taken for consideration unlike previous, Rm1K per nest excluding Bld.

Dear Chank,

What's today, I don't know but last week, corners are @Rm1500/Kg here........

Oh Boy! When you post that 200Kgs only Rm1300/Kg and I was thinking maybe I will buy cos even 10 days ago, I was offered Rm1500 for corners and your's must be a blessing if I am a buyer with mostly AB, I think. Just imagine, at Rm2K, I shall make quite alot for a long Holiday @ China, my @2nd. Home...joking only....no news to my wife or I sleep in the hall tonight.

Where to keep these nests cos my store is full with my own. Now, EBN seem to be the cheaper type of health food in the market with others going up and up as people are aware of healthy living. Instead of trying hard of seling to buyers, try selling gms wise to locals and you can sell @ Rm4K/per K this way. I have already started selling cleaned nests @ Rm6K now to locals and no complaints as many want to buy, cook and eat immediately. Have you ever wonder the difficulties in cleaning a nest if you don't know the method cos once, a guy bought 200 gms from me and came back a week later to buy cleaned nests. He told me that he throw away the nests after the impossible task of trying to remove all feathers and in the end only making him almost blind and frustrated and throw everything down the dustbin including the bowl and tweeter.

Maybe, you can think over my suggestion of doing something to help to pay off your Along.

Why? You know and I know and what to do plus we are always No.1 in the eye of the world or appear to be.............I remember that when I submitted to build a shoplot in my small town, the YTP insisted on the number of absurd requirement of parking lots. When I told him that no other town has such requirement yet, he said that our town shall be the No.1!!!!!!! As such, we shall all die because someone up there trying to skin us and make them appear to be the best like our TT in KL which cost so much for what reason best known to the guy himself.....

Why feed the swiftlets when they are suppose to be wild and aren't we trying to domesticate these free birds.

Feeding them with these food will be just a start and very soon if this feeding is successful, we will think of using steroid or antibiotic and what you can think of to make these poor bird bigger and eat more and most probable additives that will make them excrete more and more saliva until such time, they will now really excrete blood!!!!!!

To lure the birds to your BH; that I agree to cos when you maybe able to draw the birds to your empty BH to seriously consider your BHs to be a good place to stay or when time are bad like during monsoon time, feeding these birds may help the chicks to remain healthy and alive due to the fact that the parent birds need not venture too far insearch of food, thus failling in time to return to feed and the chicks so die.

Like all sanctuaries for wild animals, we feed them only when time are seriously bad and never otherwise......cos, we will be creating a new swiftlet specie that will depend on us for food and the nest so created will be the end result of what we feed and that's terrible and unforgiving to even think of it.....similar to man made EBN.

Like all wild animals, nature will decide how many birds it can support and we can only help by creating a better environment for the insects to breed and nice comfort home to stay.........

We want our voices to be heard and so far, our federal Association isn't doing it very well. We want to be able to export our organic nests as it is but our govt. is doing the opposite, preventing the export of natural nests and only allow the processed nests to be exported. Even that, they are dragging their feet and meanwhile, many new BH owners will die and surely, my old friends and I will survive but badly wounded, too.

Really, there is no official price for EBN here and it's everybody guess; today, a buyer may come and offer RM2200 but next day, someone will tell you that his friend just sold EBN @ Rm1500/Kg and who do you believe. All BH owners are so scare but none will admit and tell.

Oh, imagine how many months have we suffered and how many more months must we suffer. Just my words of sorrow to share with friends here.

No wonder that once, my friend who has an outlet in China telling that just by selling 2 Kilo per month is already OK and anything more will be bonus....and during the good time, I believe that they don't have problem selling 2 Kilo per days........just you imagine the profit these merchant make and now, we the farmer suffer because these greedy merchant aren't satisfied with 29 days of profit and wanted much more. If you know the Chinese well, you will know that Chinese buy in bulk unlike us. we buy in gms. Just by following a Chinese for shopping and you shall see why as I did follow one China man @ Pearl Point KL and observe the following. He asked the salesgirl to show the color of the shirt he liked and when the salesgirl bought him all the color, he told the lady to pack all the colors. Go to any part of the world, now it's Chinese buyers and if you are a chinese and speak mandarin, you shall be treated like VVIP. Even in ITALY and if you been to LV outlet in HK, you will see those waiting in line to go into the store and buy are all Chinese but China type only with exception of the 2, me and my friend on window shopping only.

If we can make them feel safe taking our nest, then we shall have no problem in making our fortune......but never the way our govt. wanted; just to make a few billionaires.

Now, the authorities in China should bring all these crooks in China and put them behind bar instate of making us suffer for their crime.

This post has been edited by West Wing: Jul 5 2012, 03:25 PM

If the upcoming rally is the truth, the Ajib Ko need to be informed of this and if he come forward to solve the problems facing us, then there shall no longer be necessary for any protest of any sort. We are not going to make it into a political show to enable opposition party to gain mileage but rather we wish to survive and be allow to sell our EBN at reasonable price without some much nonsense here and there and we are still in the middle of the ocean with no land in the horizon plus those guys just wanting this and that...like the V-kursus that I attended over 5 times and now, back to square one. Now, RFID and more useless requirements that really make you sick and before you know, you already die of heart attack.

If we have to show our displeasure and anger, then we shall and we do it only because we have to and not we want to........for our future and our families.

This post has been edited by West Wing: Jul 5 2012, 05:28 PM

Taking abit about Lynas really make me think:
1. Why wasn't the matter brought up long ago?
2. We @ here suffer the most cos at one side we have T***** and others and the other side, LYNAS and that's why someone from Kuantan asked me why aren't we worried, I just told them that we are already having danger at one side (very near) and another side, 35 KM, further away isn't the only problem at all.
3. I support the Anti LYNAS but wasn't it abit late but then again, better late then never!
4. If we were told of the LYNAS danger long ago, then today will be a much different affair, I think..........and we need the Japan's incident to awaken us.....if Japan did not had it's unfortunate incident, then there would be no Anti Lynas today, I think.
5. If MB is serious about staying near Lynas, then get 2 houses with me as his neighbour so that I can make sure that he drink from the local water instead of bottle water and stay there for atleast, 6 months per year.

Politician are politician and no politician are honest, clean and pious and I did told one politician that it is OK to get rewards but not at the expense of the raayat and the country. Even one JKKK head, I told him that he should not take his share from the money provided to the raayat but to ask the YAB to give him the reward if the YAB feels that he did a good job and deserve to be rewarded in the form of honorary title or land or even cash as our players also get their rewards when they did well. Otherwise, who want to be wakil raayat just to serve and nothing for himself or his family.............if there is such a man, I gladly kiss his foot.

So, we should show our support for the present protest to the best of our abilities to get the world to know what our Gmen has done to us............killing its own people.

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Added on July 7, 2012, 4:16 pmThe formal calculation is similar to the earning of the BH as it base on the value of the nest (yield) at the time.

if 1 nest= Rm30,
1 year= 3x30 = Rm90,
10 years, Rm90x10= Rm900 per nest

Now if, 1 nest=Rm13
1 year=Rm39
10 years= rm390 per nest

a 1K BH shall now value at Rm390K excluding the building but now, no buyer, so no quote also. Then, you may ask where to make profit buying? The gain shall be base on the ability on the increment of nests which at time maybe 2 fold every 3 years..or better.



This post has been edited by West Wing: Jul 7 2012, 04:16 PM

Now, it's official !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and the event will be held and need to know more, kindly contact your local swiftlets association and get them to organise buses load of swiftlets farmers and friends to support; for our future and those affected by the these greedy men.

At my local Association, we shall be going by few buses sponsor by the Association and this, I consider the money well spend for the future of the industry. Organised by the federal Swiftlets Association and you all better get organised and attend the protest in thousands to show our concern and anger over the delay and bad ways done to us. I heard that many Swiftlets Assoications have already started doing their part to participate in the coming event and I hope to see you all there.....cos no point talking only without any action. Now, it's time to show that we mean what we said and we are really ANGRY and MAD and willing to everything possible to ensure our rights and future aren't taken away.

If they want GOLD, then ask those F*** to do somewhere else and not with our EBN and we have suffer too much and too long.

TO WAR if we must and we will.............................

Nothing @ PM folder and double check, still none, sorry.

Even @ 1K per Kg is sustainable if successful but most BHs aren't nowaday...... and we aren't going to allow those greedy B**** to get to us. Farmers getting peanuts and middlemen get all.

By the look at your BH, you may going to get more than just a drop in price but rather wrong choice of area esp. with residential houses behind the BH.......so, beware and don't disturb the peace or may face the compound like some of the BH owners will be receiving very soon here; from my information, about 20+ BHs ( all 2S BHs) going to receive compound of RM5K each for renovating without approval........and still no lesen issued for BH. All because of public complaints about sound disturbances.....

Just a friendly warning only and without any ill intention on my part.

Everything up except the birdnests; do have positive thinking and maybe soon, we shall be able to get back what our's.......a fair price for our nests.

15 years ago, EBN was over Rm6K and now, we are 30% of what once was but everything up by at least 3 folds. By adjusting to the value base on the standard of cost of living now, our EBN should be at least value @ Rm10K per kilo..........won't that be nice....C'mon, can't I at least be allow to dream hahahaha.

TF, how many people do the Fed want for the meeting on D day cos the Association here has already stop non member but BH owners from registering for the meeting. but I strongly disagree. I believe that we shouldn't stop at 3K and better if we can maybe 10K or even more to show that we really mean business and not play play only lah.

From what I heard, we have 3 bus load of birdhouse owners going from here....we all there to show support and unity over the unhappy events facing our industry......

Many Swiftlets Associations didn't know about the event at all or the Presidents of these Clubs aren't supportive of the event.....according to Ms. Carol, press news of the event will be on paper tomorrow.

From what I heard. the venue can accommodate 2K and will install giant monitor for those cannot enter already. Expected participants around 3K and from information gather, it has drawn the attention of our PM and so, we shall try to make it a success and demand our rights!!!! Why it's call a forum and not otherwise, I think we all know the reason..........a soft event can be turn in to a giant ones if we all there......cos after the green protest, the Gmen may ban us from having the event.

I am not in the organising team nor involve in the preparation of the protest or what ever you call it and it main purpose is to get the attention of the Gmen to our grievances and any lesser than that will be a failure on the organizers.

We all will do our best to help the wholesalers @ Association cos it do and will improve our abilities to sell oversea esp. China. If we are not allow or rather the main bunch of exporters are not allow to export EBN, we are and will always at the mercy of the few selected ones.........so, I don't care, I will go even if the chance is 10% success rate for at least, I did my best to save the swiftlet industry.

People like KL and others here who will gain the most if succeed in persuading the Gmen to relax the export regulations, we shall have faster and better chance of gaining our former glory. So, I expect these guys to be there and stand in front for it's their battle for survivor that we are fighting and our's too as by doing so, more buyers meaning better price for EBN in the future.

Nearby BH Associations may help us in preparing banners to show our grievances and anger but never on politic. who know that it not going to be a forum or that our banner prove otherwise.

We are not against the PM, the Gmen ( only few ministers maybe) but we surely unhappy and angry aver the ways they handle the crisis which should be clear by now cos it's over a year and if continue, don't know how many more will die. give us back our rights and help us if they can but if cannot, don't create more mess. Chinese still eating EBN in China but we are suffering because lack of buyers and those having tunnel into China are killing us by pressing down and down price and everyone know that in China, price still the same for our whites although lesser customers esp the rich and famous ones.......those buying @ RMB60K for the foolish RED nests. These group aren't our's in the first place as we don't have RED nests and we never will.

These Rich and Famous are powerful in China and they are hurt in their Ego and felt Stupid but they don't go down easily....and will take revenge but why us but the present problem are more on our Malaysian Authorities rather than of China. China just wanted our exporters to ensure that the nests exported are as required so let the exporters follow the requirements and not us, the BH owners to suffer. Just my opinion over the matter. If RDIF not required, then need not but if anyone exporter wanted to be smarter and give additional confidence to his Chinese Buyers, let him and him alone does so and not make it into a requirement for all.

Too many Red tapes and too much unnecessary procedures with too many ministries involvement will certainly kill us. Be smart and allow all to export following the requirements of the buyers' countries and not ours. If any producer want their nests multiple ISO/FDA/***** certified, let them do it on their own as these may lead to a special high end EBN selling @ RMB60K and this time, White one and not Red one!!!!!!

If the organiser isn't doing right @ the venue; what to prevent us from protesting and demonstrate our unhappiness or frustration at the venue............so, bring along banners and what have you and we will show the Gmen that we are very very unhappy and wanted action to correct the wrongs and not only RFID. Reporters will be there and hopefully, and if wave of Malaysian in the industry aren't happy and infact very angry over their handling of the matter and worst the delay of a year even Tsunami victim and trace should all clear within a year; why our's still not yet?????????????????????

We are to show the PM and his Gmen that we will not die sitting down and we will fight for our right, the right to fairness and not going allow N.O and friends to monopolize the industry......... PM will act if he has the raayat at heart and we wanted him to know and not allow some big shots to provide him with the wrong infos.

I must emphasis that all must be done peacefully and without any force and what we want is the PM to listen to us, the raayat who are suffering and really need HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!

Pekan, Pahang (PM's home town) is coming with bus load of supporters and what's about you or your Association????????

If there is a next time, it shall be different and my recommendation............next time if needed, it shall be "Burning of birdnests" to show what our birdnest is worth nothing and it's better to burn the nests than to sell. I will contribute to the burning of nests rather than selling so low!!!!!!!!!!!!! It shall be my little contribution to the fellow members who suffer enough AND we invite the minister involved to torch the nests cos is HE that cause all.

SHIT! then, it's shall be lorry load of fresh shit to dump @ the gate of the minister to show him what we think of him.........SHIT!!!!!

From my little belief and what I C cos I M no scientist.

The haze does affect BH population and that's the reason that birds migrate to nearby countries from Indo due to the Haze and for that reason, the Indo nests are less white than our's. Every year, open burnings there cause panic and birds to migrate to safer places and we gain alot from Indo during the initial years although we do have swiftlets but not alot during the older days as we never given these birds a chance to breed.

But now, the open burning seem to worsen and we are now being affected and birds will fly away more to Northern regions to be away from the Haze. Also, during the unrest in Indo, many BHs were burned down esp. those of the Chinese and the birds flown to our area and we provide the birds with safe sanctuaries and we experienced huge increase in Birds during the good old days.

Before that, we Malaysian even have EBN in our houses, we chased the birds away like my grand parent did as no one knew anything about the EBN and how the nest look like. We were told that EBN are from the Sea swiftlet ( Hai Yen), and they live by the Sea.

It was the Haze that bought the birds to us and it's the bigger Haze that will cause young birds to move to our Northern Neighbors.

D minister says one thing and do another thing. Now, EBN is affected and like today news on paper, sooner or later, oil palm will be affected also and you can mark my words and not that I can forecast and see the future....I M not CKL@KongMing.

2Day paper said that green oil palm harvested will be fine and later, he would announce that all harvested oil palm fruits must be sold to selected collection centers only and controlled by his people only (His men) and you all oil palm guys must be careful. Hope that He is readin here and not proceed with his following action.........

Why care if the laborers harvest green oil palm cos it's the owner of the plantation going to lose as the factory will deduct or even refuse to accept the unripe fruits and the owners will certainly control the harvesting of fruits and the laborers will only harvest ripe fruits when they know that they will not get paid by harvesting unripe fruits ( all are paid for the weight @ the seller's loading bay) but HE, the Minister must interference for his own self interest as he can now put his men to collect the fruits and resell them to the factories at a bigger profit......and reported that HE is doing all for the interest of the Oil Palm Industry...............like our EBN industry.

YOU can mark my words for it!!!!!!!!!!!!

If our friends from Thailand and neighboring countries want to be there, I don't see any reason why cannot lah!!!!!!!!!!

This post has been edited by West Wing: Jul 16 2012, 02:30 PM