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 V4. Swiftlet Keeping Discussions, All About Swiftlet Keeping Industry

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post Sep 29 2017, 11:30 AM

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QUOTE(mois @ Sep 28 2017, 09:00 PM)
How is everyone doing lately? Month of September is really crazy one. Already way pass 2008-2010 prices. I still remember back then AB cup going for 4800 and triangle 3400. Now ABC is asking 5k with moisture.
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because not enough supply ?
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post Sep 29 2017, 01:10 PM

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QUOTE(mois @ Sep 29 2017, 12:52 PM)
Can say like that. China remove 1 child policy. And many legal company coming out and all are giants. Consumer dare to eat unlike last time market full of chemical goods. All these years indonesia trying hard to win back consumer confidence and it work well until now. We have to thanks them otherwise we still stuck with sub 2k raw. Plus existing bird house population is not increasing due to over harvest and climate change.
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my bh population no increase ley... thank goodness price got increase.. trying manythings to increase population. But my area a lot of BH... and with price increase looks like more coming further inwards
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post Sep 30 2017, 08:27 AM

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well hopefully the price increase maintains. I think at this price range its quite comfortable ya? Bt over the past few months also heard an increase in BH break-ins
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post Oct 6 2017, 07:33 AM

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Wah.. crypto investors taikos all also doing ebn ah ? lol we should launch our own EBN ICO
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post Oct 22 2017, 08:57 AM

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QUOTE(boarulez @ Oct 9 2017, 04:58 PM)
Hi guys , didn't know there is a swiflet farming thread .
I've been running a small 1 for 5 years and counting .
Price is great lately. Hopefully will go up to 6 soon
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Cool, hows the results? shop lot of standalone ?
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post Nov 6 2017, 11:12 AM

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QUOTE(lingseng91 @ Nov 6 2017, 09:56 AM)
just sold mine around rm4200 per kg yest...price still dropping...
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What nest quality ? do you have pics?
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post Nov 6 2017, 01:51 PM

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oh, ok lah the price, you said dropping, from wat price drop le ?
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post Nov 6 2017, 05:35 PM

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ya at least avg 4k... got a bit of meat.
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post Apr 3 2018, 11:29 AM

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QUOTE(mois @ Apr 2 2018, 09:47 PM)
If got such equipment, the sifu wont share with you leh.
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unless they got profit biggrin.gif
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post Jun 29 2018, 07:14 AM

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QUOTE(aikin07 @ May 28 2018, 03:25 PM)
What is the latest pricing? Anyone?
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Two weeks ago I sold some rice white A+B grade light feather at 4.2k /kg
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post Jun 29 2018, 11:13 AM

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QUOTE(mois @ Jun 29 2018, 11:01 AM)
light feather at rm4200 abit too cheap. Usually rice white and white light will be asking rm5k onward. Normal ab at rm4000.
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got or not.. i still have stock.
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post Jun 30 2018, 03:19 PM

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QUOTE(mois @ Jun 29 2018, 11:41 AM)
Something like this?
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yup
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post Aug 3 2018, 05:49 PM

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QUOTE(ch_kee83 @ Jul 31 2018, 03:03 PM)
Hi.
Anyone has good recommendation of consultation services for bird nest farm?

Just purchased a shop with good rental for ground floor.
But 1st n 2nd floor are bird nest farm modified by previous owner. But no experience in nest farming from him n myself.

Feel wasted if dismantle all the woods.
Hope to get a good sifu that can consult n advice on any modification needed.
Location in perak.
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my personal opinion is to use agriculture land instead of shop lot. many states already banning n closing down bird houses within town area. it will be risky to proceed.. Just my humble opinion
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post Aug 14 2018, 08:41 AM

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QUOTE(J_Vansen_S @ Aug 13 2018, 12:06 PM)
Been doing quite a few studies around building a BH.
Rule of thumb is that u need to control 'temperature, humidity, light'

Im seeing more of this design being built, using steel & zinc sandwich foam.
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Some ppl disagree with using this, as heat is a concern.
Well if heat is a concern 1 layer note nuff, we would custom it for double or triple later foam material right?
More & more ppl building it this way..whether if its successful or not...time will tell??
Anyone owns this type of material build

Also something new is ppl replacing meranti wood with plastic wood(i think ppl use these for decking)
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With an unused family land, without spending too much eg $300k above, worth a try to built with such materials?
Would possibly cut down cost to half or less, rather than piling, double red brick, plastering etc.
If it doesnt work out, could easily dismantle the setup & reuse for other purpose.

5 out of 5 ppl consultant/ppl with sollid BH owner etc i talk to kept saying; either u GO BIG(spend BIG-min 300k) or dont bother at all,
why is that so? For the last 10ys ppl have been building it the standard way(ppl see, ppl do, ppl built, ppl duplicate).
With newer tech & materials nowadays y cant we improvise & cut down cost?
Kinda puzzled
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Im not a consultant but here is my opinion.

1 When we do small size, we can always expand it at a later stage(need skills), just need to plan the bird house for expansion. Or use the 1st BH to fund another on the same land. BIGGER one.
2 We can do 1 big (300k) one or 3 smaller (100k each) ones. Better chances?
3 there has to be a balance between safety - environmental control - cost

Most important is the land must be within the flight path of the swiftlets.

Again, not a consultant nor an expert, just my opinions.
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post Sep 1 2018, 09:59 AM

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QUOTE(Aurorine @ Aug 31 2018, 07:42 PM)
My BH is above shoplot middle unit now thieves are jumping in from swiftlet entrance how should i prevent this? BH situated quite some distance from my home planning to install cameras to monitor.

Any sifus experienced this before to chip in some suggestion?
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Cameras to monitor is good, why not add in alarm system as well?
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post Sep 2 2018, 01:24 PM

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QUOTE(Aurorine @ Sep 1 2018, 11:31 AM)
Hi, mind to share some photos on how the BH owners install glass pieces and barb wires? I will post my entrance photo soon when I get home. What measures do you take to protect your BH?
Alarm system is good too, do you have one installed as well? Plan to catch the thief or else there will be no end. I believe it is done by the same thief. How do you safeguard your BH?
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No I havent, should be installing soon.
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post Oct 17 2018, 04:30 PM

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QUOTE(nahcee @ Oct 17 2018, 03:56 PM)
Any bird nest buyers contact here ? Got some stock need to clear.
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im not buyer but maybe you might want to state your location so the buyers in your area can contact.
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post Dec 5 2018, 07:49 AM

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QUOTE(Babablacksheep @ Dec 4 2018, 04:56 PM)
Anyone have issues on LUMUT / Mold?
Any way to reduce it?
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Ddo you clean out the bird poop regularly? Do you use anything like, fendona on the floor ?
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post Jan 14 2020, 03:15 PM

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QUOTE(J_Vansen_S @ Jan 13 2020, 05:13 PM)
hi GuYS!

I just started out recently..need some advise
How or when do u make ur 1st harvest on a new BH?
As we know one cycle is about 4months.

Do u guys harvest the 1st nest from ur BH after baby birds fly away...or just leave it for 2nd cycle?
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when I started. the common practice back then was to let the birds use the location once or twice. It was believed that that way, it would have the birds to stay put instead of moving around. After that can regularly harvest. I only did it once, because I only have ONE bird house.

Its up to you, no hard and fast rule about it
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post Mar 2 2020, 08:40 PM

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QUOTE(West Wing @ Mar 2 2020, 07:50 PM)
During monsoon season, all the swiftlets fly away so don't expect swiftlets to lay their eggs. As for time of harvesting, it used to be 3 times a year until the farmers got greedy and harvest before eyggs are lay or throw away eggs before fledgling making  harvesting no longer based on the timing but on the availability of birdnests. Many  farmers harvest up to 6 times a year wanting the whitest nests getting  best price from buyers. Doing so destroy the cycle of production of nests causing serious reduction of nests and Malaysia experiences a huge decline of nests as old birds die without new birds replacing the old birds.

As responsible farmers in the trade, we must be looking for better future and not present gains or demands as thus isn't like cattle farming which we can buy our future stocks and fully depend on God's will and blessings. As birds get lesser due to overharvest and poor weather, swiftlets tend to migrate to better area to build their families especially to remote areas or to neighbouring countries where there, the farmers are doing what we did  more than 30 years ago. Then, we were pratically  preserving and protector of swiftlets and the responds were very Good to the farmers.

We experienced 2 fold of nest in less than a year and a bird house could easily reached 1K nests within 3 years. Those days, I encourage all to build birdhouses but now, I advice all not to waste their money in this industry. We used to have this phase. We take care of our children for 20 years but they cannot take care of us for 10 years. We take care of the birds for 3 years, they take care of us for the rest of our life.
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This is true. many ranchers now havesting white nest (unused). This situation is bad for the industry. I heard of many stories of sharp decline due to excessive harvesting. "encouraged" to harvest WHITE nests. I avoid white nests. my buyers always complain, why you dont have white nest. hmm.gif

But nothing much we can do, their house, theirs way. We can only advise.

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