See your posting, I m relieved that you r safe and sound.....Swiftlets never protest or else they will protest against BH owners and govt. for their rights, ill and unfair treatment...........

One thing that I always do and that's.......before criticizing others, I must look at myself in the mirror and ask myself if I am better than the one that I am going to criticize. Otherwise, I shall keep my mouth shut and correct myself before criticize other of any wrong doings; as for one finger pointing at others, I am having more fingers pointing at myself.

Like sound pollution, I told fellow BH owners to lower sound at night or better.....no sound so as not to disturb neighbors...and I never have night sound in all my BH @ town from day one. For my over thousand nests BH, I only have original natural bird sound from birds ie no sound system so as not to annoy my neighbors or even giving them any excuse to make complaint against my BH. If All BHs@ town cooperate and comply, then the Association aim to safe the BHs @ town will be less difficult. If wanna loud sound, then move to agriland so that you will not cause the BHs @ town the danger of having to move out. This is typical of human greed, self interest.

Without any disturbance, fellow town folks will be more forgiving and understand us and will ready to give a helping hand in persuading the Majlis to allow us to stay forever.......... like the NGOs here that came to see me to discuss before the last meeting with Majlis on how they can assist and help.

Lastly, my suggestion to all holding position @ Association concerning BHs,
Don't try to please everyone and if you do, you end up doing nothing and pleasing nobody.
Do what you think are right for at least you shall please bigger part of the people.

Bro, I think that a little let go frustration here OK but if we prolong Politic matters, we will be inviting politicians here even Ajib Ko may post a message here to clarify and that's bad for the industry......We talk birds and not Cock so we shall just let go some steam here and go back to matters concerning swiftlets and if it involve some politic matter, bring forward.

As for me, although I supported the cause but sincerely think that someone in the mass of people are there to create unrest and trouble..........and I think the Per**** chief must have a hand in it otherwise, the police would not take action by firing tear gas and water canon cos by doing so, Ajib Ko gain nothing and suffer the most.

My opinion only.

Oyes, Coolandy is a very brave man and there were many of them there. He is brave to tell the world that he was there and saw everything........many suffered from tear gas and water cannon but all got sunburned.........imaging afew hours under the present sun! Shabas, Coolandy!!!!!

Hopefully, when BHs have problem, we all can stand tall like brother Coolandy....the loser at present is Ajib Ko and BN, he is going to lose alot of voters............ soooo,, is the election coming soon or later. By the outcome from public outcry and the utube respond, the election should be held later to allow Ajib to mend some fences but if another round of such brutality and suppression of the raayat, better now than later.......sakit kepala Ajib and I wouldn't want to be in his shoe.

He just step into the PM shoe and get beating from day one; how can he prove himself and he has share with the raayat in anything you can think off and tried hard to please the raayat but I believe that it's rather too late cos the formal PM has build up so much hatred for BN.......I pity him, too......... personally and please, not firing of my last statement from here, I hope.

Me and a little of politic when it concern Swiftlets for whoever win the election will have to settle our problem.

I just share what I do.

1. EBN properly kept dry and dark place can maintain texture and color for quite long and I once kept EBN for many years and only look alittle yellowish. So, putting EBN in freezer or Chiller will absorb the water from the EBN and keep EBN dry and never expose the EBN under the sun cos that will turn EBN to brownish color...
2. Chiller is preferred because it serve the purpose, low electricity and EBN will not easily damage like in the freezer.
3EBN will maintain same color longer in Freezer/Chiller and even just keeping EBN dry and in dark place can help in preventing the EBN from turning brownish.
3. Obviously, there will be a drop in weight due to losses in water content and you may regain the weight if you want by spraying the EBN with alittle water afew days before selling, then fan dry the nests.
4. I don't believe that the mites/ticks will die when you keep EBN in freezer, they just hibernate aand will wake once they get warn enough.

My findings on the matter only.

TQ, my friend.

So, as your postings proved me right that all these while, Indo has been using Malaysian to export their nests legally and "Lembu punya susu, Sapi dapat name nya" Other's nests but we are responsible for the Red nests!!!

Now, the Indo can export EBN and where are we???? No thanks to our Govt. involvement in the crisis which the Gmen supposedly help to solve a simple matter but drag on for so many months until many Malaysian who have invested in export and EBN in China have all gone to TBT.......or Holand..

C'mon, how Indo Gmen can do it but we still can't; remember that our nests are better than that of Indo's.....and we don't have chicken viruses problem, too. Please Mal Gmen, make it simple for us to export to China and all China want is that our Gmen give Quality assurance for our EBN. No difficult, I believe or else, create another minister post, Minister of EBN (that's me) to be incharge of EBN to export to China..Ha ha ha ha...just joking lah.

Really, Malaysian Processing EBN are congratulating Indo; that's good for at least nests can be exported to China and we can sell nests to Indo but bad for Malaysia dream to become top exporter of EBN and the Gmen has killed the baby already.

What the Gmen need to do is to educate the exporters of EBN on how to do it the right way. Provide all interested ( registered company only) with a week course on how to export EBN correctly and legally and an practical examination will be held after the course. Only those who pass the examination can export the EBN and the right to export will be cancelled if they did not follow the regulations and requirements. Once, terminated, there shall no appeal and the permit cancel. Permit need to be renew every year after a seminar on reeducation and update information on EBN. Failure to attend the seminar will not be able to have permit renew.

M humble suggestion on way to ensure that we can export and also follow the rules and requirements of the trade concerned. No point just allow just afew companies to monopolies the trade and we, the EBN producers suffer for no buyers here and low price....... why we need to wait so long for them to approve our EBN from exporting to China unless MatSalleh also eat EBN......then we can export to USA!!! Gula, beras and even pasir naik harga but Sarang walit turun harga....sudah discount 50%!!!! DAN TAK LAKU LAGI.

So, jangan undi Daching, Rocket atau Bulan tetapi udilah "Burung Walit" untok masa depan Rumah Burung Walit.

This post has been edited by West Wing: May 8 2012, 01:06 PM

Oyeh! So, some Malaysian must be Billionaires smuggling nests into Malaysia and selling Indo EBN out to China as if those were Malaysian Nests....maybe buying @ M$3K and selling M$8K.

Lambat lagi! Indo Super Rich EBN Producers aren't stupid by getting where they are today; They only used some Malaysians who earn alittle bit extra cash to help TaiKo from Indo to ship the EBN to China from Malaysia........like the case of Malaysian fruits, Products of Singapore found all over the world... Here, Malaysian only worked for the BOSSES from Indo and Indo Gmen also being fooled or maybe they too have a share in the profit generated....

Name me one Malaysian that got rich from selling Indo EBN thru Malaysia.....only Malaysia courier services may make some extra services charges thru these transaction......and maybe some Malaysian earning Rm1K for the service...or maybe those Indo Buyers that were here did the export themselves @ Malaysia soil cos Malaysia Boleh, kan?????

Going into your Agri BH @ 3am and are you sure that there is no tiger or wild boar around. Very dangerous and of no use......you only disturb the birds and if I am a new bird, I surely will not return again to your BH for the rest of my life....cos you scare the shit out of me...hahahaha

Seriously, no one with sense change sound during the middle of night as the last thing you want to do is to disturb the birds. Change sound only when require and the best time to do so is during the afternoon when there is the least of birds and then observe the result during the evening when the birds return; that will definitely gave you a clearer Yes or No on your new sound. You can practically tell the guy who told you to do so @ 3 am that he must be mistakenly for OWLS..... or BATS ranching.

Swiftlets not only have good hearing but very good sight and that's why they can see misquotes or flies from very far away and zoom in. They can remember your BH and entrance so well that they need no eye to see the way in and once, a friend changed his entrance and place a card board over the old hole and so many birds hit the card board straight on....that's why I posted @ forum not to change hole unnecessary for you may end up killing the birds unintentionally.,,,,with broken wings.

Oyes, the swiftlet has no ABS brake.

Hope that I am of help to you, my friend.

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Added on May 13, 2012, 4:53 pmKohLoh....my friend,

What's the best offer for nests now as I cannot check around without commitment to sell and many of my friends now are harvesting nests as now is the harvesting season and wish to know about the price. I immediately think of you for an update on the price since you posted that Indo can now sell directly to China and EBN must be moving thru Indo.

Here, there were buyers for Rm2500 for AB nests and I know once they come, they will be choosy now that Malaysia still cannot sell like what I experienced at Terengganu during the opening ceremony of the Peladang buyer office there.

Or maybe, you want to take me for a trip to China or Indo to discuss selling EBN under water cos above water cannot sell hahahaha.........mau cari jalan, cari KohLoh.


This post has been edited by West Wing: May 13 2012, 04:53 PM

Below are just my opinion only and other may disagree.

Past few months were not a good months for swiftlets growth and most BHs complained of slow growth and some even told of reduction of nests. so, don't worry. My guess is that of the climate changes and it will be better cos by looking at the sky these 7 days, time are getting better for increment of nests and hopefully, that will apply for the nest price...

Don't do any renovation when the good are going......but it's only my opinion on the matter discussed; it's up to you.

This post has been edited by West Wing: May 14 2012, 07:53 PM

Bro,

common instinct animal sense and just like us, if we suddenly hear loud sound at night, I believe we either faint or piss in the pant and run; likewise, the swiftlets can hear well in the dark but cannot see well, too although the have much better sight than us. They will excrete white shit and fly like mad.

So, in day time, the birds can see well in the BH and hear well so they can see where the sound coming. Just like in new BH, when one enter it, all birds will fly out but in very old BH, the birds will just ignore you and keep circling in the BH because they can see you as friend.

Hope that I made some sense.

As I see it……………
Going to be parent birds with go the along the food path and many other area that the flock visit as the pair will check out many BHs before deciding on the BH that they will make their family. That’s why when we see many birds going in and out, that doesn’t mean that they will stay but then that’s a very good chance that they will stay as they like your BH a least like your music and do pay a visit there. There are always very good chances that the birds will return to their birth place to make their families and if they do, you got one thing good here and that’s they will make nests very fast cos they are so used and confidence to the BH surrounding unlike new BHs which the birds will need to check out before deciding to make nests…
Breeding time is important and not fledging time but then there are very good chance that the going to breed pair with be there to observe/survey your BH as so many birds seem to gather around your BH during fledging time. I believe that must be the curiosity of swiftlets. The myth about old birds never leave BH are not always right for if you make it impossible for them to stay, they will leave . Those old days when I saw thousand of newly fledged birds flying and playing high in the sky near the hill but these scenario are all gone. I also notice many adult birds are flying up there and maybe trying to secure new bride for the future or maybe they are the parents assisting the young ones of the art of flying and science of life.

Above are just my belief in the subject in swiftlets.

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Added on May 16, 2012, 10:48 amHi Ben!

You must b very proud to built more than 20 Bhs and my only one, designed by me still incomplete after 15 months. So, my advice to any new fellow wanting to build BH, never overpay the contractor and go by the book. Generosity and kindness to the contractor never get you any way but just trouble. Sorry to say that I heard from others that contractors can never be trusted with their job and they are often bad paymaster as well........meaning that they will leave alot of unpaid jobs.....

My one......high hope, high dream and high ambition all gone down the drain.........cos the planks promised 3 weeks ago still no sign at all........... so, now, I have no dream and only hope is that the BH be completed as fast as possible and quality and specifications cannot be enforced anymore.



This post has been edited by West Wing: May 16 2012, 10:48 AM

If you want to try EGGs, then the eggs to try are that of the swiftlets but I never encourage it as that's murdering of swiftlets to me. These broken swiftlet eggs do attract swiftlets but maybe for a wrong reason.

I have the feeling that swiftlets have all senses in perfection cos the birds can see well, hear well and smell well and whether taking prolong usage of birdnests can improve our senses as well; then that will certainly increase the price of birdnests by many times.

Any research in these will definitely benefit us.....

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Added on May 17, 2012, 4:45 pmAs for man made food for the swiftlets, no harm producing or buying although it will certainly draw in birds but whether staying or not shall be another topic to discuss.

If you have seen ants/termites fledgling time, then you shall understand as thousand of swiftlets can be seen feeding off the flying insects and how they know, it must be their keen sight to be able to see from so far away.

I admit that I never have use these food for swiftlets and did help some friends to buy. No positive feedback from any of them on the improvement/advantage of using them. Infact, I still have another 2 unused cans and I should have to use it myself in my new BH as I wasn't been paid for it by a friend that didn't come to collect them after been reminded many times. Next time, must collect payment before helping to order...........Tak untong kena rugi lagi.

Anyone here using the swiftlet's feed here?

This post has been edited by West Wing: May 17 2012, 04:45 PM

No wonder no feed back from users and I thought that they forget to thank me for help them in securing the birds' food and by the way, I never like the idea of fruit flies but seem to think that flying ants or termites might do the trick as I have seen the large gathering of swiftlets everytime these insects fly ..... must be that fruit flies aren't their main diet at all.

I have seen swiftlets feeding on house flies when time are bad zooming at rubbish bin by the road side but nothing on fruit flies. Good that we share and provide feedback here to ensure that lesser fellows will suffer.....another good way of helping fellow mankind....instead of giving fishes like our Gmen in the form of RM200-Rm500 every occasion possible (wastage of public money), we are great Men that part with our knowledge so that all Men can learn to fish and "Cari makan sendiri".

So, anyone know how to breed Termites successfully and I think that Termites are good form of protein in some countries........"boleh cari makan membiak Anai Anai".......

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Added on May 17, 2012, 6:42 pmMy Friend Ben,

You should come here often (posting) and share your vast experience in the latest "Art and Science" of doing BH. Still I never think Duck egg is the reason for your experiment's success but rather when you added bird shits to it causing decomposition and if you try other type of eggs, the result shall be the same as it's due to " Shit + whatever Eggs" give you yah!!!!!!! The aroma can kill us but not the birds; that's my belief....only. One thing everybody will agreed totally agree with you is SHIT..SHIT..SHIT and plenty of SHIT

This post has been edited by West Wing: May 17 2012, 06:46 PM

I can swear that swiftlets do eat house flies but whether or not, that the house flies are part of normal diet of swiftlet; that for the researchers to tell us.

Cow dung do attract flies but swiftlets shits do this, too and yesterday, I was sending 6 bags full of bird shits to a friend's BH @ Pekan for free......fuel almost cost me RM100 but what's that for a friend!

Reaching the BH and immediately, flies gather around me like I am Papa coming to feed them......fresh shit are always the best...after handling the shit; now, my fingers still smell like shit or just my imagination.

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Added on May 19, 2012, 2:06 pmWe aren't smiling cos most of us are already dead o half dead...........For such a small problem take so many months to settle and still hasn't; just tell me how the Gmen take care of the bigger Malaysia's problem lah.

Now,the seriousness is worst that BHs in this region are producing(harvesting) large quantity of nests now and without the Indo coming to buy; we are at the mercy of the few ****** around picking one after another for a killing. When is your turn?????

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Added on May 19, 2012, 2:16 pmF to Dr **, I phoned up the bank and asked about the loan and was told that it's base on the 20% of the land but remember not on the your buying of the land but the valuation of the land. BH cannot be mortgage even for a cent and the land that I bought for over Rm300,000 can only get me a Rm20K loan.....

Anyone get BH loan from Agro Bank??? The lady asked me to get a maybe 50 acres or 100 acres land to mortgage for the BH...maybe, other got better contact with the Bank......as Malay used to say"Orang Kita".

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Added on May 19, 2012, 3:32 pmIf the Gmen was seriously enough wanting to help us; just get our influential "Sugar King" to act on own behalf and I believe that the many months should only be 1Day or just 1Hour job as in 1Malaysia boleh.

No, they aren't really interested in help us but themselves by tying our hands and legs.......... in the meantime, wasting billions but nothing to him, cos its our money that he is playing with and to ensure that we toe the line....so, everyone, stand behind the yellow line.....sorry, did I say, "Yellow" because YELLOW is taboo and sensitive.


This post has been edited by West Wing: May 19 2012, 03:32 PM

Since nothing to do so talking about Cow Dung, neighbors seem to take kindly to cow dung but never for bird shit. If you put only a bag full of bird shit, your neighbors will complain but not a lorry load of cow dung like Cow dung free from harmful bacteria or fungus.

My recommendation that if you want to put bird shit for your plants in your garden and doesn't want to offend your neighbors, dig a small hole and bury your shit; this way there will be no smell and everyone happy.

Remember, bird shit are the best for plants and I assure you that you plants will grow bigger and stronger but remember never put bird shit near root cos BS are salty I believe and the plant may die. A little of BS goes a long way. If you can encourage folks to use BS instead of artificial fertilizer, very soon, we will all be interested in the BS instead of BN as BN maybe a thing of the past if you get my breeze if they don't do well in these few months.........Hahahaha

Seriously, if all use the BS, BS may sell as high as Rm30/Kg........then I shall get a few thousand a month, then I don't mind you calling me shitman instead of birdman...hahahaha but not until BS can sell as high as Rm30/kg.

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Added on May 21, 2012, 10:33 amStill taking about BS, I maybe interested to make BS into pellet and sell to users and anyone here know of any simple machine to compress BS into hard pellet and pack them into bag to sell.. maybe a small bag for Rm5 -Rm10 for coffee money.

This post has been edited by West Wing: May 21 2012, 10:33 AM

1Stupid idea ................as in 1Bodoh! 1Gila! 1Kurang Ajar!

Gmen implemented alot of stupid ideas and never last and authorities sooner or later will forget the matter and only we that suffer cos we need to folk out money and also waste of Gmen fund which is also people money. Either way, we loss and only those with self interest will gain like suppliers of such ware and I am sure that these are also their *****....

Supposedly, we are among the 2 countries that enjoy the right to export EBN to China and now, we may end up being the only country facing difficulties to export to China.........

Maybe, someone here got connection with Singapore EBN producers, we will sell our nests to Singapore and we don't mind Malaysian Nests being refer to "Product of Singapore or Singapore Birdnests" at least we shall get better price with Singaporean, I think. Our other agriculture products are labeled "Products of Singapore" anyway.

Wow what pisses me off more is the fact that the CEO of this company is someone by the name 拿督蔡千根. (Dato Chua 'Thousand Roots')

So his Last name is 'Chua', has a Dato' and he's from Johore and coincidentally he is the CEO of a company that is forcing RFID down the throats of EBN industry players. With the blessing of our government of course!

I don't even need to do any research to know this guy is someone related to the MCA porn star.

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If Young T.Y. CHUA ( son of MCA President), he is the Deputy Minister of Agriculture and Agro Based Industries, so he shouldn't be involved in the EBN buz and if he did, he must has make a serious mistake. If it's the truth, he now must double the effort to solve the EBN problems or esle, his political future is very blur. His motto "Voice of the young Generation" and no wonder that old men can't get to him cos I am of the old Chua generation. So, Young people of Johor esp of Labis and Segamat, go and talk to him and get him to save our Future or else, this election will see his downfall.

Hope that he is not the Chua that you are referring to and even not, he has an obligation to help us.....

Oh! I see...........the son of MCA chief look more handsome........hahahaha.

Excuse me.

This post has been edited by West Wing: May 22 2012, 08:21 PM

Here, we talk of everything and mostly about swiftlets. For new biz., best read V1 t0 V3 before asking at forum and when you ask for HELP but you cannot demand and no one is oblige to serve you as we take no money from you so we take no order from you and all we share are our willingness to share among fellow which do have manner but no otherwise, I think.

If you want fast and immediate answers, pay a Consultant to serve you....we do have many consultants willing to advice and serve you for a fee.

So, when you are here, pls has manner and request kindly again if no one help you and if you do have serious problem, then I would but you don't seem to have a big problem as you do know about the way of building BH.

To answer one of your question on plastic plank; why want to use plastic planks when the meranti planks are doing fine and if you ask about which meranti plank is better, then some SIFU here may want to leak out the secret. I have seem people trying with aluminum and I presume will fail and no that the swiftlets will not build nests at Alum but rather prefer Wooden one that the birds can have a better grip on it in order to make nests.

Many things are common sense and all you need is to ask yourself the questions and then answer them yourself and if you fail, then ask the forum. Like the above, I assume it to fail because how on earth do you expect the birds to get good hold on the Alum and your Q on plastic which you will have to modified it to make goof for the birds. Leave the experiment to the consultants as it's to their advantage to try new method or materiel to make better profit. For us to spend over ten of thousand over an idea and wasting not only of money but time which is equally important. Only if the initial normal way of doing BH fail, we then will try something unnatural as we now are force to.

Like BS, some new BHs were very lucky that these BH need not to use any BS or Aroma or special sound and success come on its own!!! For these fortunate BHs, why need to do anymore but wait to harvest only but for most others, the journey to fortune isn't a easy one otherwise we will have call this a millionaires' forum.

Hope you think I am right and I talk too much most of the time but if I am wrong, then pls comment.

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Added on May 23, 2012, 4:20 pm100% with you..PUUI PUUI and TNM kuat kuat!!!!
TO fit MCMC chip to your BH may take another one year after that what!!! How are we going to grade our own nests and what A to us maybe not to them and and and....Puui

This post has been edited by West Wing: May 23 2012, 04:20 PM

I don't know elsewhere but here, there are buyers and just yesterday, a buyer came and bought EBN @ Rm2300 for AB. It's still too low but what to do as many need the cash to survive and the Gmen is still besok lusa..

Corner are at RM1500 but most do not have corners unlike me with 30% corners and no round ones. My corners, I rather keep to process them myself @ Rm5K per kilo. 100% pure and hand picked by West Wing. Just boil and eat and 100% assurance on health safety or 10X refund.

Very sad and we can't just wait and buyers told me that they underwater to China. If they can so the price still OK and market still there but what's the use as we are now at the mercy of the buyers which will push the price lower and lower as long as the market for China is still close to Malaysian.