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TSSteven_aka_G
post Apr 23 2019, 06:09 PM

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QUOTE(tsd @ Apr 23 2019, 05:04 PM)
You are talking about a different thing.

I am talking about those small sized little kids who cant even reach halfway into the table, with "over-hyped" promotions, that was the discussion. 

Those curve left and right ball is easy to do lah. Even a simple bottom spin near the net with a reverse bounce will get those small sized kids in trouble. I am not talking about those bigger sized kids.

If you tell me star elte and pj union or any place that have any kids that can't even reach half-way into the table and tell me I cant deal with them ? you must be kidding. I dare to bet with you with everything I have.  Not just me, in fact anyone who can play decent table tennis will dare to take up the challenge.

Whether that small kid train with chee feng or ma long or anyone else, makes no difference. He still cant play in real competitive game until he is tall enough, of cos sometimes we do see them in competition but whoever losses to them are mostly self-inflicted loss.
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Again, I'm doubting the level of the kids you're using for your theory.

Probably the wrong type of video to share since these kids are considered the top but look at them 1st graders:


These kids are easily on par with any 13-15 year old state players in Malaysia and the shorter hair kid's head is just above the table.

And in terms of your comment on that a kid can't play in a real competitive game, in what terms are you talking about? Professional open categories? What's competitive in your context? These kids can be playing in for Malaysian Open as a state representative for under 12 but do you consider that as competitive?

And honestly, a short reverse spin to the table? Who are you, Ma Lin? Any under spin serve will still have the second bounce near the 3rd quarter end of the table and what makes you think they can't reach? Again, theory is there. But is it easily applied?

But let's say I'm talking out of context and you're talking about over hyped kids on YouTube. Ai Fukuhara was on Ellen's show when she was barely taller than the table and at that age, she was already racking up plenty of achievements. Look, I'm not saying ALL kids that goes on YouTube are good in an actual game as compared to training but again, I can tell you from experience that there are many very short kids that defied your theories and trashed many adults that have claimed themselves as decent players.


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post Apr 24 2019, 09:17 AM

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QUOTE(ccf1162 @ Apr 23 2019, 05:38 PM)
Short sidespin serves .. interesting. I would say it's hard to execute a good short sidespin serve using shakehand. Sidespin serve is a good serve against opponent who like to use backhand flick when they encounter backspin. For matches you can observe Dimitri ovtcharov vs fan zhengdong matches. in their matches Dimitri like to serve deceptive sidespin serve to fan zhengdong causes fan to make mistakes.
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once you get there, all serve are easy to execute. The main ideas are deception and variations. pure short sidespin is a lot easier to flick, but it has a clear advantage, the flick return direction is easier to predict. Usually the pro will confuse opponents with sidespin to topspin transition serve, these are the most hardest to do. but most the time its side+underspin to set up 3 balls or 5 balls play.

This post has been edited by cede1975: Apr 24 2019, 02:37 PM
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post Apr 24 2019, 01:18 PM

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QUOTE(tsd @ Apr 23 2019, 05:04 PM)
You are talking about a different thing.

I am talking about those small sized little kids who cant even reach halfway into the table, with "over-hyped" promotions, that was the discussion. 

Those curve left and right ball is easy to do lah. Even a simple bottom spin near the net with a reverse bounce will get those small sized kids in trouble. I am not talking about those bigger sized kids.

If you tell me star elte and pj union or any place that have any kids that can't even reach half-way into the table and tell me I cant deal with them ? you must be kidding. I dare to bet with you with everything I have.  Not just me, in fact anyone who can play decent table tennis will dare to take up the challenge.

Whether that small kid train with chee feng or ma long or anyone else, makes no difference. He still cant play in real competitive game until he is tall enough, of cos sometimes we do see them in competition but whoever losses to them are mostly self-inflicted loss.
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Come...I challenge you to a match. if you can win me then you can talk whatever you want.
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post Apr 24 2019, 01:25 PM

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I will also invite everyone here to witness the match. then we see if you are as good as the way you talk.
cede1975
post Apr 24 2019, 02:13 PM

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QUOTE(empire @ Apr 24 2019, 01:18 PM)
Come...I challenge you to a match. if you can win me then you can talk whatever you want.
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I hope you are joking.
Anyone can talk whatever they want. doh.gif
cede1975
post Apr 24 2019, 02:23 PM

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QUOTE(empire @ Apr 24 2019, 01:25 PM)
I will also invite everyone here to witness the match. then we see if you are as good as the way you talk.
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If you challenge an 80 yearold liu guo liang and win, should he shut up too?

This is not some pasar malam argument lah.

We all have our experience to share. Some people are always harder to convince until they see for themselves. Which is perfectly fine.
No need to become defensive and throwing out meaningless 'challenge'.





TSSteven_aka_G
post Apr 24 2019, 02:31 PM

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QUOTE(empire @ Apr 24 2019, 01:18 PM)
Come...I challenge you to a match. if you can win me then you can talk whatever you want.
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At least he's providing justification to his comments.

Please turn your brain on. Making challenges like these do nothing but feed your ego and provide mild entertainment to the rest of us but regardless, any more of this and I will report you to the the mod.
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post Apr 24 2019, 02:37 PM

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ah ok then. anybody can talk whatever they want? Sure sure. I can also say anything I want. YOu got a problem with that??
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post Apr 24 2019, 02:38 PM

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QUOTE(Steven_aka_G @ Apr 24 2019, 02:31 PM)
At least he's providing justification to his comments.

Please turn your brain on. Making challenges like these do nothing but feed your ego and provide mild entertainment to the rest of us but regardless, any more of this and I will report you to the the mod.
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oh really? Gosh... I am so scared now! rclxms.gif

Ok you kids continue to talk whatever you want. I have no time to layan kids. rclxms.gif

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post Apr 24 2019, 02:42 PM

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QUOTE(empire @ Apr 24 2019, 02:37 PM)
ah ok then. anybody can talk whatever they want? Sure sure. I can also say anything I want. YOu got a problem with that??
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It's not like you've not been doing it already. Don't push it. This is a thread for enthusiasts who love the sport. I see nothing wrong with what he said and I'm the one he was directing the reply to. Why are you getting so worked up over it?
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post Apr 24 2019, 02:46 PM

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goodbye Steven
cede1975
post Apr 24 2019, 02:55 PM

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QUOTE(empire @ Apr 24 2019, 02:37 PM)
ah ok then. anybody can talk whatever they want? Sure sure. I can also say anything I want. YOu got a problem with that??
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Of course you can.

But responsible adults should know what to say and how to behave.




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post Apr 24 2019, 03:01 PM

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QUOTE(cede1975 @ Apr 24 2019, 02:55 PM)
Of course you can.

But responsible adults should know what to say and how to behave.
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Calm down mate
TSSteven_aka_G
post Apr 24 2019, 03:11 PM

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Either way, if he stick to his words, he'll no longer reply here so let's move on.
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post Apr 25 2019, 02:29 AM

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I know that this has been asked many times before, but some of the posts are a few years old, so I am going to ask again.

I am looking for TT clubs near Cheras and Klang that allow walk-in since I don’t have a playmate.

Thank you!
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post Apr 25 2019, 12:55 PM

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QUOTE(ccm1234 @ Apr 25 2019, 02:29 AM)
I know that this has been asked many times before, but some of the posts are a few years old, so I am going to ask again.

I am looking for TT clubs near Cheras and Klang that allow walk-in since I don’t have a playmate.

Thank you!
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TableTennis Trading
012-354 0751
1-1, 1st Floor, Jalan 3/93, Taman Miharja, Cheras,
https://goo.gl/maps/nMNeGP6WqT7xj5MM7
behind VIVA mall. Call them to check.

Walk in is hit and miss, gd luck.
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post Apr 25 2019, 01:14 PM

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QUOTE(cede1975 @ Apr 25 2019, 12:55 PM)
TableTennis Trading
012-354 0751
1-1, 1st Floor, Jalan 3/93, Taman Miharja, Cheras,
https://goo.gl/maps/nMNeGP6WqT7xj5MM7
behind VIVA mall. Call them to check.

Walk in is hit and miss, gd luck.
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Since you mentioned Cheras, might as well try kajang.

I am currently trainning at

Altec TT club.
33-3 jalan sek 3/9 taman kajang utama
kajang selangor 43000
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almost all are using BH long pimple except me. A lot of long pimple experts there. Great place to learn how to kill long pimple.
From my 1st training until 8 sessions(2months) later i can kill from zero win to 3-0 on a few regulars there.
If most of you see long pimple opponent as a barrier, you can try Altec and overcome it. You will love playing against LP.

Just an analogy, initially it feels like they are using sword and you are using penknife, but when you got it, u are using gun they are still with sword.
Most players that are not trained with solid foundations uses LP as a quick fix. and sometimes more of a confusion to themselves than to opponent who read the spins perfectly. LP is always defensive and reactive and close table. the best key is KISS> keep it SIMPLE SPIN. either pure top/under spin. Dont ever do crazy sidespins to LP side. always try to chop long table to BH LP corner. and high chance you can attack the return slow topspin. it will take some practise before you can confidently attack slow dead/topspin ball especially with high tension rubber and OFF blade.


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post Apr 26 2019, 05:47 AM

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Thank you so much, cede1975. I have been away from Malaysia for about 15 years and know nothing about the TT places. Will be visiting my family this summer and hope to join some TT peers home. Your information is much appreciated.
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post Apr 26 2019, 05:48 AM

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Forgot to say, the Kajang place seems to be great location for treating the fear of LP. When you have no choice, you gotto fight. Haha
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post Apr 26 2019, 09:27 AM

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QUOTE(ccm1234 @ Apr 26 2019, 05:48 AM)
Forgot to say, the Kajang place seems to be great location for treating the fear of LP. When you have no choice, you gotto fight. Haha
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Another reason is the regulars there participate in local open novice/beginner prized tournaments.
Im joining for the 1st time team event(beginner/novice) this saturday at Kajang Prison MPH , total over 50+ teams. Huge event.

I found the top common reason most switched to LP backhand is for receiving serve 'advantage'. Another quick fix reason that does not address the main problem.
I see it as an easy way out because inverted rubber needs more skill set to return serve, but it also has greater advantage to gain attack advantage from returning serve using the flick.

Another reason why i see recent kids TT club is leaping over these LP players, They are drilled into flicking skill early and returning serve is so effortlessly.Of course modern rubber/blade helps a lot.


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