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 Are property prices going to up further? V4, nothing's gonna stop us now

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silverfish1
post Nov 23 2011, 09:18 AM

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QUOTE(Y2016 @ Nov 23 2011, 09:09 AM)
majority properties in prime areas have capital appreciation of 10~30% this year and i only foresee a slow down or worst case senario a correction cap at -10% max in 2012
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This is quite interesting;

Thailand, Malaysia at risk in global slump: Fitch -By Agence France-Presse, Updated: 11/22/2011

Thailand and Malaysia would be the most at risk among Asia's developing countries if there were a sharp deterioration in the global economy, Fitch ratings agency said Tuesday.....

http://news.malaysia.msn.com/regional/arti...umentid=5569024



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post Nov 25 2011, 03:43 PM

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QUOTE(omyfish @ Nov 25 2011, 03:15 PM)
5 years ago: 
A fresh grad earning RM1800/month planning to buy a 300k property in future.

Monthly installment for 90% of RM300k loan (35 years) is around RM1250.

He know that he need to have at least RM4200 income per month to get the bank to approve his loan for a 300k property.

So, he work very hard, hoping to get the increment until he achieve the amount of income.

5 years later:
He had achieved RM4200/month income (Not bad right?) . But the same property in the area had increased to RM600k.

Monthly installment for 90% of RM600k loan (35 years) is around RM2500.

Now, he need to have at least RM8300 (net income) to get his loan approved for the same property. sad.gif

5 year later (let say property price keep increasing):....
He achieved RM8400 net income... but this time he need to have RM16800 income to get the property in same area..

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My opinion - he may have 3 options then;
1) Wait for correction-Accept the fact that property have increased unnaturally....
3) Wait for auction property in the same place- Keep his fingers crossed...
3) Go for a substitute property - Buy a cheaper property elsewhere and save the agony once for all. Have more money for other things in life...




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post Nov 25 2011, 06:18 PM

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QUOTE(omyfish @ Nov 25 2011, 03:50 PM)
4) Get a wife and share the house loan with her.
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5) Buy land and build your own house??
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post Dec 1 2011, 09:10 AM

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QUOTE(kh8668 @ Dec 1 2011, 12:01 AM)
大馬房產成中國資金新目標
Created 11/28/2011 - 15:17

來自中國的發展商、企業以及個人投資者正在改變馬來西亞的房地產生態。

“雖沒投資新加坡物業那麼‘兇猛’,但中國企業買下吉隆坡整層寫字樓的故事並不少耳聞。”馬來西亞發展商陽光集團執行主席童貴旺說。

另一方面,中國發展商也在試水馬來西亞地產項目。11月初,一家來自中國河北的房地產企業――卓達集團宣佈將與馬來西亞伊斯干達投資公司合作,共同發展位於馬來西亞伊斯干達麥迪尼特區的住宅和商業項目,總投資額近40億元人民幣。

這成為馬來西亞麥迪尼特區的首個外資房地產投資項目,同時也是區內迄今最大的投資項目。

伊斯干達麥迪尼特區距離新加坡20分鐘車程,有兩座跨海大橋與新加坡相通,同時正在修建海底隧道,與新加坡高檔公寓動輒10萬元/平方公尺的價格相比,麥迪尼特區房價僅為新加坡的20至30%。

高力國際最新數據顯示,今年第三季度新加坡售出的私人住宅中,8.8%住宅被中國買家購得。

新加坡官方數據顯示,上半年,中國購房者首次超過印度尼西亞,成為新加坡私人住宅第一大外籍買家。

而中國買家投資新加坡物業的興趣如今也在向鄰國馬來西亞蔓延。

“有限的土地成本、發展商之間的激烈競爭以及當地較低的收入水平,是馬來西亞房價水平即使在整個東南亞都保持較低水平的原因。”童貴旺介紹。

在馬來西亞首都吉隆坡,100萬元人民幣即可買入距離市中心40分鐘車程、面積在200平方公尺以上的毗連別墅。

隆檳新山房產受歡迎

目前,中國投資者的身影正越來越多地出現在吉隆坡、較多華人聚集的檳城以及緊鄰新加坡的新山。

與一些發展中國家管制資本的做法不同,馬來西亞向外國房地產投資者提供了相對自由寬松的政策和制度。外國投資者允許直接持有馬來西亞房產產權,可自由購置價值超過50萬令吉(約人民幣110萬元)的各類房產,且凡持有該房產滿五年後出售的,將一律免征房產交易所得稅,此外,還能夠申請到最高為70%的房貸。

在今年9月於上海舉行的馬來西亞房地產投資論壇上,馬來西亞產業機構首席執行官Kumar表示,馬國物業的年租金回報率在5至6%,土地的年收益大約在4至6%,兩項相加,投資收益率在9至12%。

為鼓勵更多海外人士投資馬來西亞房地產,馬來西亞政府正在推行一項名為“馬來西亞我的第二故鄉”計劃,參與計劃的家庭除了可以獲得10年多次入境居留證之外,還將享有多項產業與稅務豁免獎勵。

截至2011年7月的統計數據顯示,中國公民佔到該計劃申請總人數的第一位。
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Can you kindly interpret the main points please? Thanks.
silverfish1
post Dec 1 2011, 11:35 AM

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QUOTE(kh8668 @ Dec 1 2011, 10:08 AM)
The main message of this article is to tell us that CHINA men are looking to buy our land and properties especially in Penang, Johor and also Kuala Lumpur.

So be prepared!

Although foreginers can only purchase those properties priced above rm500k, you can see developers are trying to build developments at that price ranges.

Property will become more expensive only over the time.  shocking.gif
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Thank you for the intepretation.
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post Jan 25 2012, 09:17 PM

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QUOTE(lowyat888 @ Jan 20 2012, 07:26 PM)
Have all malaysian depleted their savings/income already by now. majority borrowing have increase by now. anything if really happen, 80% will be die standing.  Since what have goes up and never come down. very positive indeed and will see for how long if can maintain. hope malaysian are not butshitting themselves and have positive mind set.

Majority by now have own a house/condo by borrowing right now. hope can maintain it for long else it will see alot of problem do pops up. SPEND WITHIN YR MEANS or affordability. Must have a good forthsight else will be following the blind.

Have a very bad hunch and feeling about it, better becareful. somebody is playing around with figures, alot of hidden/bad things/coverup have not pops up yet. DOES the economics really that good just ask yrself?

Hope the bank can sustain the drop if occur not over commit by lending out or else will be alot of auctioning? Over borrow $$  (have not earn the $$ yet) already use it. is it guarantee return or 50/50 basis?

Borrow $$ for investment is not consider 100% ownership yet, need to pay interest, alot dont really realise. Malaysian really like to borrow to the max smile.gif everybody wants to rolling the $$ borrow right.

As can see alot of people do buy property/cars, but is it fully paid up or still need serving interest for years to come? THE ITEM IS NOT YOURS YET still belongs to the bank

It will tie down a person for alot of years to come for sure.

Even though property have gone up, will the person sell off bcos they are staying there unless really go out to rent a place to stay just for the sake of the $$. what if buy another unit will be much expensive, if price drop how when buy at peak. if buy, scare property drop else if property dont drop forever renting after selling the property holding the cash. what do u think? sell or dont sell or buy or dont buy

For malaysian altitude, they will not sell, prefer a home themselves. so there is no $$ gain just paper gain. see it going up and down. the longer it serves the loan, the property price+ interest+ accessment + lawyer fee+ stamp duty+insurance+ maintanence +renovation+ furniture n fitting +wear n tear etc will have no gain in property price already at all bcos the interest and all other hidden cost already eat into the price.

How fast can a buyer pays off the property loan 3/5/10/20 years? smile.gif People living in yr area how many have pay off their loan for good after so many many years? still serving interest right. by now interest already eat into the property price.

Majority Malaysian dont have hard cash on their hands. majority is from borrowing and spending like nobody business. Loan/spending/Interest is greater than their cash at hand/income.

unless have few units sell 1 or 2 unit and leave 1 for own staying only can see $$ gain, else is just paper gain. things not sold is not consider profit yet

alot of investor does not want to tie themselves down on asset rather rent whereas its difficult and slow to convert to $$. When  they need $$ instantly without waiting for buyers or long procedure to get $$. come and goes easy out of the country anytime or migrate

As seen majority dont really save and already over commit. PEOPLE WITH NO SAVING HABIT WILL NOT GO FAR AND Will not BE RICH FOR SURE. JUST WAITING FOR MIRACLE TO COME BY smile.gif

THEIR IS A SAYING ALL  I WANT IS YR $$ THATS IT
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Very true notworthy.gif
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post Feb 10 2012, 03:11 PM

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QUOTE(Mlchoo @ Feb 10 2012, 08:41 AM)
Thanks for confirming my understanding. I also thought so but not this bank. I've paid the bank to redeem my loan but they reimburse me an amount which falls short of what I expected. So I question them. They didn't even give me a breakdown of what they charge me until we ask. Finally they provided a general one like amount I paid to redeem..., early redemption penalty 3% ......
You so right. It sort of something similar happened to me too. I actually took some money out of my EPF to settle partial outstanding amount with XXX bank. Every month I ask them to write out my pay off amount. So as to keep track where I stand with the bank. Luckily I was very alert, turned out they miscalculated by RM4k. . When I threw a tantrum and asked for explanation in writing, the HQ people apologised for miscalculation....I still keep the apology letters for final payment/redemption one day. You will never know what might happen then.They blamed the system this once.

It happened again another time few years later, when they miscalculated again, they blamed the staff, and guess what, they said the staff had left and they can't vouch for her. On top it all, the earlier staff and all her statement ,I have in writing. But when I brought it up, they all kept mum. At that point I wish I had enough cash to get out of this craze and felt being taken for a ride.

..... doh.gif

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post Mar 10 2012, 10:37 PM

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QUOTE(cranx @ Mar 10 2012, 05:59 PM)
Read this research paper. Accurately depicting our current RE situation.

http://www.aseanvaluers.org/PDF/The%20Real...te%20Cycles.pdf
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Thank you for posting. It is a good article.
In a public forum such as this, you may find people from different walks fo life with different motivation to post.

There may be a very positive posts from buyer who relates his hopes that the property price will continue to rise, and then there may the developer and or his affiliates ( construction material supplier, contractors of all sorts etc) who want the market to continue booming.

Another post may come from a "too cautious" buyer, replied by a very naive first time purchaser. But from time to time you also see posts such as this one published through proper research which ,however, does not answer the question "is the bubble is rising?" and it may burst if at all......

In my opinion, most new projects are out to milk the higher income group....its the middle income earner who are cracking their heads - whether they are going to either buy something they cant afford to continue servicing the loan by reaching higher for the extravagant home ( and prices) or lower their expection ( and class) by buying something below than what that they can afford and settle for live in a low income area.....These people may be ONE of the contributors towards how the market may lead in the future and might as well be the deciding factor.. unsure.gif

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post Mar 11 2012, 07:50 PM

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QUOTE(pjguy @ Mar 10 2012, 11:39 PM)
is the bank will approve the loan application to a person that not affort to serve the loan?
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I guess, like they say, the proof is in the pudding ;auction properties.

Most auction properties were once assets let out on loan to some very qualified buyers. Also, over time a person may have children, get divorced, lose their job, fall ill ( insurance may cover this). All these costs extra money which may be diverted from servicing the loans. Of course, most of these are unforeseen circumstances except having kids ( unless you plan that as well). hmm.gif




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post Mar 12 2012, 09:12 PM

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QUOTE(ethanyong @ Mar 12 2012, 06:37 PM)
You're just not reading what he's trying to say. No one can give you a straight answer, I believe, not even Warren Buffett. Try to digest what other ppl have to say and make your own analysis and judgement. After all, the only person that can be accounted for win/losses made is your own decision (Buy/Sell).

Btw, a decent elaboration from DeepValue. Couldn't put it better myself. Not the most neutral opinion, but spot on at the VALUE portion. For Investor/Home Buyer, VALUE should always come first, regardless of bubble or not.
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Deepvalue,

Effort and concern for the people in general is applauded. Agree with the value proposition.
To summarize what you say, I try to put it in the frame below, correct me if I am wrong ; icon_rolleyes.gif

The below applies regardless of market situation
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Property Purchase Expectation + Calculated Risk < Satisfaction of purchasing the unit = Value ( Good Purchase)

Property Purchase Expectation + Calculated Risk > Satisfaction of Purchasing the unit = No Value ( Bad Purchase)




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Expectation; investment short term/long term, own stay, to collect rental, vacation house, buying for children/others etc.

Calculated risks; assessment/ tax, servicing loan in dire situation, political instability, economic downturn, losing a chance to buy a better unit, bad neigbourhood, affecting credit report, high entry cost, possibility of house not completed by developer, money stuck in property long term etc.

Value ; managed to fulfill at least some if not all of your initial desire/ reason of purchase.

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post Mar 25 2012, 08:28 AM

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[quote=UFO-ET,Mar 24 2012, 04:18 AM]
Somehow the market needs a rest lah....
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I heard from reliable sources that some banks are going to hike their rates. e.g. some banks were giving BLR Minus 2.4 % for higher than 350K properties but now may just give BLR minus 1.5% for RM 350K property. But not sure if the BLR is going up as well. Could any bankers advise on whether the BLR would go up in the next few weeks? If so how much?

Thank you in advance.

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post Apr 2 2012, 09:10 PM

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QUOTE(humble_tot @ Apr 1 2012, 11:48 PM)
There are still many decent condos around RM220k & DSL around RM350k, some more MBSB offers 100% loan. For a start you can still find affordable house if not too choosy. My 1st home @2001 was a 880sqtf apartment bought with RM88k only  blush.gif

After your house appreciate you can sell & buy a bigger, continue these steps you will get your preferred home as your salary increases along the way.
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A very sound advice....its a good idea to buy something within your reach first. It may not be in a very good area but if you buy say for example a cheaper apartment priced at RM 100K, you can rent it out at say anywhere from RM 400 to RM 700. You can use this amount to subsidize your current rental unit. Then after few years sell it for a higher amount..meanwhile your salary and savings will increase to enable buying a bigger house in the future....the loan restriction may also be relaxed in the future...

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