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post Jul 8 2007, 11:59 AM

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QUOTE(azarimy @ Nov 30 2005, 01:51 PM)
i've been on this forums for a while, but recently just registered. i'm a lecturing architect in UTM, been here for almost 5 years now. i've been involved in several accreditation processes especially on private institutions in malaysia, and i would like to share what i've come to know. topic owner/moderators, u guys can edit this post as u see fit, for the benefits of all. i might be repeating a few points already made, but i'm just putting it down to preserve a little structure to my post.

AFTER SPM

assuming u're going for tertiary education, here are ur options (applies for both public or private institutions):
    i. study for STPM
    ii. study at A-level (or equivalent)
    iii. study in a matriculation programme
    iv. study for a diploma
    v. study for certificate level (last choice, my fren)

remember, the objective here is to get ur degree as soon as possible, coz there's no point of settling for anything less. here are the details:

i. study for STPM

STPM is accepted as an A-level qualification. some places regard this paper as even higher than A-level, but lets not touch on that. STPM is cheap. it's quite broad, covers a variety of subjects, and open for all. u can study/sit for STPM almost everywhere in malaysia. and it's quite easy to get in (compared to my time...)

STPM is also internationally recognized, so if u passed ur STPM, u can apply anywhere u want. be advised that u might need an IELTS or TOEFL to prove ur english proficiency (costs around RM400-RM550)

ii. study at A-level

a lot of institutions now offer A-level papers. i cant really say which institution offers the best. A-level is easier to pass than STPM, covers a variety of subject. the only catch is it can be a little expensive (for those who cant afford to pay by themselves). rate varies to institutions.

iii. matriculation

this is one of the more popular choice these days. the reason being, once u're in the programme, u just need to pass all exams to be admitted to a degree programme. but this applies only to the university offering the programme. for example: u cant use ur matriculation results from UM to apply for UPM.

this programme is not recognized outside of malaysia. so only apply if u're really sure that's the degree u r after. they offer limited subjects, and mostly are tuned/focused to the area of ur degree course.

iv. diploma

most universities and institutions in malaysia still offer diploma programme. u can enrol using ur SPM results. this is one of the most common choice amongst those who couldnt get through to STPM or matriculation programmes. the overall costs would be higher too, but with SPM results slightly lower than everybody, this is the best bet.

after ur diploma, u can immediately enrol to 2nd year degree programme, and sometimes if u excell, they'll let u skip 2nd year altogether (very special case lah).

v. certificate

this is ur last choice. certificate usually offers very, very generic skill, and usually does not involve manipulation or implementation of knowledge. (which i forgot to mention: skill and knowledge is two very different things). but due to its short duration, some of u might opt to take a certificate to boost ur application.

these can be very basic certs, for example: "cert of basic PC assembly and repair"; "cert of ledger management"; or "cert of autoCAD" (just to name a few). usually the course range between 3 days to 6 months, depending on the depth. but this will seriously BOOST ur applications.
so that's about all the options u have after SPM in malaysia. i'd be happy to answer any questions or queries.
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Hypothetical saying if I have obtain a diploma in any of the public college (etc Taylor diploma in Business) and I don want to join any of there pathway University at oversea, where I intend to join the local university (etc. UM, UPM) will there accept my diploma to enter into there bachelor program.

Thank and peace


Added on July 8, 2007, 12:19 pmGuy,

If I want to go for Business and Finance road, which root will you guy recommend taking into account money factor, acceptable factor and quality factor.

1. SPM > STPM > Local or Foreign U (for both do I still need to start from 1st year or jump to 2nd yrs?)

2. SPM > Diploma in Business (planning to join Taylor) > 2nd yrs Foreign U (Can I apply with local U?)

In additional speed will not be a factor as either way I think it will take about 4 1/2 yrs.

Currently I'm Join 1st Yrs form 6 at MBS.

Urgent advice . (diploma intake sometime around 12 july)


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post Jul 15 2007, 08:52 AM

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QUOTE
If I want to go for Business and Finance road, which root will you guy recommend taking into account money factor, acceptable factor and quality factor.

1. SPM > STPM > Local or Foreign U (for both do I still need to start from 1st year or jump to 2nd yrs?)

2. SPM > Diploma in Business (planning to join Taylor) > 2nd yrs Foreign U (Can I apply with local U?)

In additional speed will not be a factor as either way I think it will take about 4 1/2 yrs.

Currently I'm Join 1st Yrs form 6 at MBS.

Urgent advice . (diploma intake sometime around 12 july)
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Depends on your budget, i guess.
and if you receive an oversea education, do you intend to come back after graduation?
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post Jul 15 2007, 03:23 PM

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QUOTE(moneygod @ Jul 15 2007, 08:52 AM)
Depends on your budget, i guess.
and if you receive an oversea education, do you intend to come back after graduation?
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If can would like to retain it between 30 to 40k.

Will i come back if I finish my study? I dun know, That really subjective to me.



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post Jul 20 2007, 09:53 AM

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Hi, I don't know if this should go here but it is a kinda FAQ for higher education.

The question is:
Is the college/uni obliged to pay the student money if they were to obtain a copy of the student's work, for exhibitions etc.? (since the works are used to help promote the college/uni)
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post Jul 27 2007, 06:19 PM

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QUOTE(Fields @ Jul 20 2007, 09:53 AM)
Hi, I don't know if this should go here but it is a kinda FAQ for higher education.

The question is:
Is the college/uni obliged to pay the student money if they were to obtain a copy of the student's work, for exhibitions etc.? (since the works are used to help promote the college/uni)
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I have came through with this before, but our college did an agreement with us, so that the artworks or works that you have done are in B&W. College can choose to pay you or not for exhibiting student's work, you have the right to ask them not to exhibit your stuff, but you will be proud that the college management would want to exhibit your stuff because of the excellency of your work.

So do I answered your question?
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post Oct 19 2007, 04:39 AM

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here´s a guide for Malaysians who are looking at significant scholarships and education in the United States.

Tinkosong Series on US Applications

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post Nov 21 2007, 09:44 PM

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hey guys,

jus wana ask one simple yet stupid question lar

IF im interested in taking diploma in mechanical engineering with the spm result. what is the minimum requirement ah? i think if any of u take this course with ur spm result, how was ur spm result? care to share?
which U?
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post Nov 22 2007, 08:55 PM

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will going to education fairs and expos actually help OR just make everything fuzzier and more confusing cause everyone's trying to sell thier institution to you??
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post Nov 22 2007, 11:41 PM

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no lah

i did know from education fairs thier minimum requirements etc

im just curious what is the actual minimum requirement that can ones to attend this cours. coz i think those minimum requirement by the U's cant be use lah because maybe got too much students applied it. so, i think the minimum requirement will be a lil bit higher. thats y im asking....
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QUOTE(shinseijiro90 @ Nov 22 2007, 12:55 PM)
will going to education fairs and expos actually help OR just make everything fuzzier and more confusing cause everyone's trying to sell thier institution to you??
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most people went to education fairs with absolutely zero knowledge or interest in anything. i think this is the wrong attitude to have when attending education fairs, bcoz u will most often leave with a sense of hollowness, especially since now u know there are a bigger world out there than before. my advice is, to have a specific objective when attending the fair. some tips:

i. have atleast an area of interest.
ask ur self, what would u like to do in the future? what is the thing that u enjoy doing? in school, what are ur favourite subjects? never ask how much u wanna earn, bcoz some of the top earning jobs dont require a degree, but streetsmarts and a lot of luck like stockbroking, insurance salesperson, restaurant managers etc. ofcourse, those jobs do come with a higher risk wink.gif

ii. have a budget.
best way is to ask ur parents what they have in store for u. or perhaps look at ur results/projected results and figure out if u could obtain a scholarship. the other option is to apply for a study loan. PTPTN comes to mind.

iii. have a target.
to what level do u wanna study? diploma only? straight to degree? diploma + degree with a 2-3 year break in the middle? straight to PhD?

iv. have the ability to say "no" or "i'll think about it".
this is the most important thing. some people in the education fair are so aggressive that they would wanna sign u up right there and then. although this may look like securing ur future, chances are they're desperately trying to hook u up for a certain unforeseeable gain on their part. go home with all the information u've gathered, and sleep on it. discuss with ur parents/guardians if need be. never say YES on the spot.


Added on November 23, 2007, 12:53 am
QUOTE(camel90 @ Nov 22 2007, 03:41 PM)
no lah

i did know from education fairs thier minimum requirements etc

im just curious what is the actual minimum requirement that can ones to attend this cours. coz i think those minimum requirement by the U's cant be use lah because maybe got too much students applied it. so, i think the minimum requirement will be a lil bit higher. thats y im asking....
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dont confuse urself between minimum requirement and the minimum intake cut-off points.

minimum requirement is an absolute value that an institution will take at any given time. meaning, as long as u obtain above the minimum requirements, u will have a chance at studying whatever u're applying. lets say bcoz of war (god forbid), nobody applies the course u're applying except u. even if u're exactly at the minimum requirement, they have the obligation to take u in.

minimum cut-off point is an imaginary line where an institution set for intake. this value varies from year to year, and it highly depends on the number of applicants and the results they carry. for example, course A have 200 new places each year, and the minimum requirement is 1A. in 2006, 500 students applied, 150 with 4As, 200 with 3As, 150 with 2As. now we immediately know 150 with 4As will fill the top 150 out of 200 places. now only 50 of the 200 3As will occupy the last places. the cut off point is somewhere in the 3A level, which is pretty high.

now, in 2007, only 300 students applied, 50 with 4As, 50 with 3As, 100 with 2As and 100 with 1A. now, since all fulfilled the min req, all the 4As, 3As and 2As will occupy the places. the cut-off point is exactly at 2A. anyone below that will not get in.

now compare the two. u'll see that by average students of 2006 are creme de la creme. students of 2007 has a bunch of 2As. it is perfectly valid, bcoz all are actually qualified for the min req. this is also the same reason why we often hear "last year my friend got 1A could get into university, but this year i cannot". this has nothing to do with graphs or excellence of the exams or government policy. it's purely mathematics that any form 3 students can do.

This post has been edited by azarimy: Nov 23 2007, 12:53 AM
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so this course very high demand eh?

haha...no problem. as long as my result is good i should not hav to worry rite?
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hi, i was wondering what is the different between A-level and Pre-U?
and is there any diff between cambridge A-level with normal A-level?
and also canadian pre-U and normal pre-U
very confusing rclxub.gif
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post Dec 7 2007, 07:43 PM

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QUOTE(Muffin* @ Nov 29 2007, 03:39 PM)
hi, i was wondering what is the different between A-level and Pre-U?
and is there any diff between cambridge A-level with normal A-level?
and also canadian pre-U and normal pre-U
very confusing  rclxub.gif
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A-Level IS a Pre-U program.
Pre-U program included Foundation, SAM (Australia matriculation) etc etc
err... A-level = Cambridge and Edexcel only i heard of..

Erm.. colleges open days are coming soon.

HELP - 15th , 16th Dec
Sunway - 16th ?? ( double check with other source pls )
SeGi - 15th ,16th

Talk to their counselors , they can help you really alot.

Cheers

P/S : I am also a SPM leaver. I am answering it based on my own knowledge and still learning. Correct me if i am wrong

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post Dec 11 2007, 12:21 PM

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I'm gonna take Business for my degree and before that I'm gonna go for pre-u course first ... I was deciding to go for SAM but that my friend said that its not that recognized in UK/US so its better to go for A-level, is it true ?

Anyway, I'd like to know more about business courses, any guideline/link ? And what are the good Us in the world thats good for Business ?

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post Dec 15 2007, 12:01 PM

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I saw this in a website regarding acceptance of SAM students into UK n US unis...

http://www.sam.sa.edu.au/acceptance.htm

If I'm not mistaken, if you plan to go US uni, u can straight away go for SAT test and enrol into US Uni for a degree.
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post Dec 17 2007, 03:38 PM

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wao
can i ask 1 thing
i dunno ppl got ask b4 or not
i jz finish spm
if i wanna study IT
i take what good?
coz all i also not too understand
diploma and A-level got how much big difference?
i remember my fren say got a certe jz in malaysia work
other country didn't accept
what is the name of the course / certe?


Added on December 18, 2007, 2:57 pmi jz finish ask a college
the college call stamford college
is it good in it?


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I've just finish my SPM,
just wanna ask
is it better to study A-level or matrix base on the examinations, subjects, qualification?
And if i were to opt for matrix and got in it, and let say i have a reasonable score, is it possible for me to apply for overseas uni? or am i bound to local uni only?

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post Dec 26 2007, 03:20 AM

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hi I finished my spm in 2006
Am I eligible to apply for the next JPA scholarship, I suppose in the year 08?? Can somebody enlighten me? thx
cheers
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post Dec 29 2007, 10:55 PM

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I have a plan (or dream?): SPM -> A-Level -> Trinity College, Dublin (University of Ireland)

It sounds great for me but I know that this is a tough task. SPM will be the starting point of my dream. First, I must get good results in SPM examination. Then, I will have to get the A-Level certificate. Finally, I can go to Ireland, yeah! laugh.gif That is what I hope. What about you? Share your plans with me, I will be glad to know yours.

Anyway, I wonder where am I going to study A-Level. Do you have any suggestion based on my dream above?

Most probably I will study chemistry. What subject would you like to study?
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Doesn't really matter where you study your A levels, as long as you work hard.

I'm doing A levels in Taylor's University College at the moment, and it isn't half bad. The fees are definitely a bit more expensive than some of the other colleges, but I feel it's worth it. If money is not an issue for you, I'd recommend Taylor's.

Anyway, the college was very helpful and assisted me when I was applying to UK universities. They almost do everything for you, though you obviously have to fill in any personal application forms on your own, as well as write your own personal statement.

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