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 Gold investment corner v4, Will gold price achieve USD2000 by 2012?

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kevyeoh
post Nov 29 2011, 10:13 AM

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exactly... when i first jump into gold, i never really study the history....

then i start to look at the trend over the years..and i noticed that back in 1980 to 2002, just as your example, those who invest in gold never really get a good return...

it is the past few years only when we see the gold price soaring and shooting up... so ... those who never experienced the old days, they won't know that buying gold does not necessary mean can get better return or hedge against inflation...

what if we return back to the scenario in those years when the price of gold remains flat or increase slowly?

yeah...it hardly go down in price...but if the price rise steadily and slowly.... then????


QUOTE(cherroy @ Nov 28 2011, 10:40 AM)
Yes & No.

Gold has its dark day as well. Gold never rise steadily period from about 1980 to 2002. It stagnant throughout 20+ years. While others investment asset give more than 200-300% (even for pathetic FD) or even more for properties, stocks etc.
Gold is not a backbone of monetory system.
Printed money is not backed by gold. Although more gold in the coffer can instill confidence on your money. But printed money is not backed by gold.
Also there is not enough gold to back all the money out there.
Gold exist or not, doesn't alter the current financial system.
Gold is just another investment class out there in the financial system.

Use gold to measure against goods, price never change?
I don't know the answer, but I only know,
1980 1ounce of gold cost USD 300, while a bowl of hawker mee, cost RM0.20
2011 1ounce of gold cost USD 1700, while a bowl of hawker mee, cost Rm4-5.

So price got chance or not?  whistling.gif
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post Dec 15 2011, 01:04 PM

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Dude, the price also depends on US currency.

U sell at $1744 maybe exchange rate is rm3.10,

Now u buy at $15xx but exchange rate is rm3.18,

Like that lor.. Some more when u sell at pb bank... U loss for the spread oso...



QUOTE(vincentwmh @ Dec 15 2011, 10:51 AM)
oh yess, the goldwagon is back, finally i wld say!!! time to board but with mix feeling. why?? bcos of this:-

sold off at 1744(pbb163.82), now enter 1572(uob164.00).. folks! u see what i'm puzzling?
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kevyeoh
post Dec 27 2011, 06:20 PM

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i kinda agree with what you say...

so in the end...it's really up to the individual to make his/her decision after many inputs from forumers here...it's for us to exchange information and then it is up to the individual to decide on his/her own...afterall, it is his/her own money...

i hope everyone can continue to 'debate' or give his/her own points...not necessarily you have to make others agree with you...as long as everyone has his/her opinion and then the individual will be able to make his/her own informed decision....

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Dec 24 2011, 11:36 AM)
1) & 2) Yes, that's the kind of statement is that I want to highlight.  smile.gif
Both side of risk involved for paper and physical.

Paper gold and physical gold has same value if nothing goes wrong aka default.
Paper gold + trust (no default) is equivalent to physical gold.
I use the word equivalent (not same), as it is in money term.

They do not have different value in money term.
When Comex gold futures is USD1600, it means physical gold trade will be follow USD1600 pricing.

Either Paper gold totally lost the value (default), or same value with physical (no default),
the difference is between either same or zero.

I don't know why you all want to convince me to turn paper gold into physical, I fully aware the risk of default.  smile.gif
I may convert or invest in physical, which depended on situation and financial condition out there, who knows?
I thanks you all to share the physical advantage story as well.

My view, despite debt problem around, the chance of default of paper gold is slimmer than plane crash. The highly solution is to let inflation solve the debt problem on its own, inflation means all asset class price inflated, including gold, and paper gold.
Inflation doesn't mean bank must be defaulted, instead inflation can solve the debt problem, and banks can earn even more money in the process.

Do I worry of bank default? Can bank default?
Yes.
But I don't scare of plane crash until don't want to ride a plane.

You don't know the experience others went through, especially last 20-30 years time, whereby gold has fail misery to hedge against inflation even until now, as well as experience of theft, natural disaster and other issue, that has driven some people into paper gold instead of physical.  smile.gif
Yes, physical storage risk can be controlled up to certain extend, but I do not agree can be totally controlled as well, same like bank default that out of our control.

I hope this end the debate paper vs physical.
I never said paper gold is best, nor physical is totally risky, I just offer some view on it.  smile.gif
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post Dec 29 2011, 04:39 PM

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any idea why gold price is dropping now? the reason behind it? or the speculated reason?
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post Dec 30 2011, 03:22 PM

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LOCATION is important also...don't simply invest in any property...or else... you may end up crying...

QUOTE(kelvyn @ Dec 30 2011, 02:19 PM)
Invest in properties  tongue.gif
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