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 Gold investment corner v4, Will gold price achieve USD2000 by 2012?

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post Dec 15 2011, 02:04 PM

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QUOTE(jack2 @ Dec 15 2011, 10:39 AM)
Which bank has the lowest spread?
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post Dec 15 2011, 04:59 PM

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sold at 176 previous now enter back 166....
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post Dec 16 2011, 10:32 AM

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QUOTE(desmond_fantasy @ Dec 15 2011, 11:04 PM)
Got lower 1% of the price?
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0.00XX per gram lower spread only (buy or sell also)... if my mind served me right... but less queue time/ parking/ hassle = priceless


Added on December 16, 2011, 10:35 am
QUOTE(hit47 @ Dec 15 2011, 11:04 PM)
what do you guys think about tomorrow..will get lower?
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now we can tell you... it moving nowhere... buy/sell now or do not regret later

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post Dec 16 2011, 11:26 AM

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QUOTE(kelvyn @ Dec 16 2011, 11:19 AM)
The main advantage that I see PB over UOB is that PB has online transaction. This saves you the hassle of going to the bank and getting parking...
Another is that UOB has min transaction, etc. Go check out UOB's website to understand better
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if you buy >200g , go UOB

if you buy less than 50g, close eye and buy la (any bank nearest to you also same)

for me public bank is the most near (click click at online)

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post Dec 18 2011, 10:33 PM

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thinking of getting physical .... 1stopgold anyone experience with them?
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post Dec 19 2011, 10:49 AM

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QUOTE(orangutan @ Dec 19 2011, 10:26 AM)
I notice the Public Bank Online Gold Savings Accounts have discount on both ends

Bank
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Buying = RM 167.5100
Selling = RM 160.9300

Online
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Buying = RM 167.1039 (small discount for customer)
Selling = RM 160.8524 (small discount for bank!!!!)
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so u mean buy online and sell at counter? i think it is only affect those buy >200g... however buy large quantity rates can nego also.... so doesnt affect much...


Added on December 19, 2011, 10:51 am
QUOTE(ng.louismarvin @ Dec 19 2011, 01:05 AM)
Been to 1stopgold at Ampang before, they are only offering PAMP Suisse gold and silver bars (~5% spread). Do take note that they don't accept walk-ins when purchasing / selling merchandise, need to set appointment.

Also for new customers, you need to register with them first.
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their Pamp rates better than UOB if i chk website. of coz i know its not updated, some1 please verify... definitely better than buy pamp and tomei or poh kong right?

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post Dec 23 2011, 02:04 PM

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QUOTE(desmond_fantasy @ Dec 23 2011, 10:52 AM)
anyone planning to buy gold recently?  smile.gif
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just brought some last week... but plan changed to silver or physical rctly
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QUOTE(livelifefull @ Dec 28 2011, 10:47 AM)
As I know, PBB allow the withdrawal of physical god. But only from the selected branch only. Please refer to below

Gold Collecting Branches 50g 100g
Jalan Sultan Sulaiman RM220 RM240
Pulau Pinang/ Bagan Ajam


ps: I view gold price from the below web and it closed at 1587.3 as of 27dec11
http://www.kitco.com/charts/livegold.html
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after add RM 220 and RM 240 (= about RM16840) it is more expensive than pamp gold (be it fortuna = rm16650, casting bar rm16550 or dragon RM16730)... and wonder what type of gold does PB give you...

so... imo, if buy more than 50 g... get pamp...
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QUOTE(livelifefull @ Dec 28 2011, 02:29 PM)
No Ideal what kind of gold PBB offer. hav to check with them.
Other than the PBB, UOB and Maybank listed below.. any other good places that is recommend for gold investment?
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bro... swiss pamp can get at RM12k for 100 gram... pm me for details... else your list is outdated very far..

uob = http://www1.uob.com.my/jsp/finance/fin_gold.jsp?func=gold


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if you plan invest gold... buy physical if can... smile.gif once you determine how much you want to buy then go look for best offer... dont go retail gold shop like poh kong and tomei buy... as they follow FGJAM price = @@, dont buy jewelry as they follow FGJAM price + 15% for upah = less worth... find places or sellers sells follow spot price + % as margin...

the best is to buy gold bars or gold coins at your convenience, choose either pamp, maple etc is good enough ... larger = cheaper per gram (long term), smaller = more easy to liquidate but higher cost per gram... good start = 5g/10g/20g/1oz to 50g/100g
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QUOTE(Darkmage12 @ Dec 28 2011, 05:19 PM)
paper gold is better than physical. You think keeping alot of liquidity at home is good?
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physical = you own the product... paper = you do not own the product

physical = you determine the price (urgent= sale it lower price, not urgent = sale it at spot + your margin) ... paper = bank determine the price for you (spot - bank profit%, you cannot control), paper = need go counter unless is public bank

i not yet own physical gold, its just my 2 cent of being paper...


Added on December 29, 2011, 10:52 am1555... if you own the physical gold.. would you go scratch on it? if paper so good, why gov still holding physical gold in their chest... hold paper = easier... anyway, its depends on individual

know why PM drop? from others sifu, they say those sharks tighten policy on margin calls on paper contracts on 1/1/2011, those on margin need to throw PM in order to maintain their bill into amount that can be payable. its a move by those big shark in order they can earn alot from this, coz more people have to and tend to throw when price is low... i cannot confirm whether its real or not but based on momentum like this, PM will keep drop , at least for 2011... expect lelong sales on price tmr...

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QUOTE(Darkmage12 @ Dec 29 2011, 11:48 AM)
Physical where got you determine your price? If you insist, most sellers out there buy back at at least 10% lower from their selling price! Their spread is anytime larger than bank.
Gold very hard to get damaged. It's very inactive in nature.
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if you check physical gold price from bank(namely UOB)... their spread is even higher... outside you can set you selling price much higher than the bank buying price, people will buy because the price is still lower than bank selling price... then is win win... why let the bank take all the profit... you can find many online seller selling different type of gold... maple, kijang, pamp... what types also got...

paper is 1 method, but physical is not bad as you all think also... low volume = 5g, 10gram... also easy la
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QUOTE(richardt3o @ Jan 5 2012, 09:05 AM)
What's the price per gram now? Is it worth the investment now?

So let's say I buy at RM180. And it rise to RM200. Everyone can sell at RM200? Or we must wait for buyer to buy our paper gold? Or it's just me and bank?
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just you and bank... the deal is instant.... either bank act as a "market" for all of us... or else they will throw the responsibility back to the market, by "throwing" your orders to their market...

and thats why they charge such high spread... in the end... the banks win.... always..
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QUOTE(janetllc @ Jan 19 2012, 01:33 PM)
Is it 100gm ? how much you bought it ? interest/hibab?
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its 1 oz so obvious


Added on January 19, 2012, 3:53 pmvietnam dong have interest rate 14%... yet people scare to put money in... the interest cannot cover the devaluation of the currency and inflation of the country..

their government ban imports of gold... which is hedge against inflation... their internal gold price always higher than world prices.

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QUOTE(thomas @ Jan 20 2012, 09:42 AM)
yup, RM 6200 incl labour.

market price RM 198 per gram x 31.1gram + labour RM 50, round adj -RM 7.80
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i think you can easily save more than 10% if buy here... but i not sure they got 1oz bars anot...

http://1stopgold.com.my/index.php?option=c...tid=4&Itemid=24

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QUOTE(thomas @ Jan 20 2012, 10:00 AM)
it has terms and regulations..

if buy from Tomei when sell back anytime, TomeiĀ  offer -8% exchange with gold product and -13% for cash.
if buy from Tomei and want to sell to others gold shop like Habib/ Poh Kong ,they eat back @ -18 to -25% for cash.

why PAMP... international regonize gold. say one day Malaysia in war, I take this and migrate to others country and this piece of gold is much much much worth than Malaysia gold (Msia made 999.9 gold)


Added on January 20, 2012, 10:05 amphysical gold bar is consider medium term for investment, I remember 6 years ago, my first work after I graduated from secondary school , I went to make survey in Complex & Malls, I did enter gold shop, the price shown RM 87 ONLY for 999.9 gold per gram..
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emailed to 1stopgold; they replied me

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Dear sir,

The indicative price for 1 oz pamp gold bar is RM 5,414.10


Thank you & best regards.


1Stop Gold Sdn Bhd
B6-8, Megan Avenue 1
189 Jalan Tun Razak
50400 Kuala Lumpur
Tel : 03-2172 8680
Fax : 03-2172 8690
prophetjul spelled it correct... get it from jewellers (poh kong, tomei etc), they charge you FGJAM price which is RM198/gram... get it from gold bars seller which follows spot price+%... is a lot cheaper... sells it to jewellers is the same... their spread is crazy imo... unless you need money urgent, dont buy/sell gold bars from jewellers...

anyway... if you buy from poh kong, tomei, got 1 things is good... 12 months interest free... which saves you about 5% of interest (maybe?), if you do not utilise this option... i wonder why we go jewellers get gold bars...

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QUOTE(ronnie @ Jan 28 2012, 01:39 AM)
Can we safely state that the 1-year returns from Paper Gold Investment Account more than Fixed Deposit ?
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buy at 1650... sell at 1800... minus spread = over FD

rule... reach target must take profit

see it 1900 no action, wait drop already only reach

i did that before... then enter back at some time later... just the spread from PBB is killing me...

if you got quota ... go uob...

now up again... almost cover my spread losses... waiting time to take profit again... then wait again

but my bet is on silver now... gold almost done for me...


Added on January 29, 2012, 1:13 am
QUOTE(cherroy @ Jan 28 2012, 01:24 AM)
95% of people money is in the bank...  tongue.gif
be it FD, saving, gold investment account, even UT as nominee.  tongue.gif
Almost all shit inside?...  laugh.gif

Can I say, don't be con by buying price as well?  biggrin.gif

Buying 1kg of gold from a single entity of gold jewellery shop at RM200, which the only sole single entity offer buying back at RM180 (hypothesis case, not mean to say which or who), while outside only accept at Rm150~160, aka the real actual worth of gold or market price of gold,
is not considered invest all shit in single entity or single asset (gold) that can be stolen overnight all together?   biggrin.gif
Just joking.  smile.gif
I don't know how the offer will change or not, if price really plunge to Rm100. Black and white obligation for sure and forever Rm180?

The real worth of gold at today is USD 1720/ounce or near around RM170/g in the real market, end of story. This is the ultimate basic, don't need to say con by selling price or buying selling either.

My personal view, the risk taker is the one invest in gold actually,  biggrin.gif
especially physical bar at home.  smile.gif 

US insurance issue?
AIG did not go under, what insurance issue?  whistling.gif
Hong Kong investment bank? Which one?
Never mind also which one, we are talking on retail commercial bank, not investment bank.

Yes, gold can be a good investment class in current financial market environment, but I always view that you don't need sending fear this bankrupt, that bankrupt to promote or advise people to invest in gold.
Ya, those risk does exist, but at minimal and wherever you put your money, your gold risk is everywhere and can be as same as bank go under risk.
Personally, I don't like using fear to promote, instead should create awareness about the pro and con, what to expect, is enough to educate people and whether others like or not like to invest is another issue altogether.
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put at bank fear??? if put at home... risk = times 100000.....


Added on January 29, 2012, 1:15 am
QUOTE(prophetjul @ Jan 27 2012, 09:30 AM)
Are you working for Tomei or Poh Kong?

To buy gold bars such as Pamp bars from them jewellers is to be SUCKered...paying excessive premiums for the bar at jewellery rates.

A few pages back someone bought at Rm6200 for a Pamp bar which he could have got below Rm5800 else where
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that time should be around rm5450+-.....

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QUOTE(doraemonkiller @ Jan 30 2012, 03:04 PM)
LMAO, I recommend PAMP swiss and PK gold bar instead of pamp dragon. When did I recommend Pamp dragon which have 25 deduction for trade in? If you want to compare selling price then please do compare buying back price for PK gold bar and Pamp swiss. Else don't show your stupidity here. Try to learn how to use dispersion percentage. Try how to include the cost of risk for every industry. Which industry will turn worse (higher risk) when economic facing recession issue.
I just asking everyone to diversify their investment instead of pooling all money to a single entity. This is to minimise their risk. I not the owner of bank nor jewellery shop but telling you the additional options for investment. If you do not know the picture of finance please just skip this and go do whatever you like.


Added on January 30, 2012, 3:09 pm

you can try ebay. Just to let you know bank will not accept trade in for gold or cash.
If you want to get lowest deduction for the coin, you can trade the coin for PK gold bar which will go through 25% deduction (might be near to the rate given by the bank) then only trade it for cash with approximately 12% deduction. If you direct trade in at private gold smith shop, you will lose 40-50% of the gold smith shop price or 30% of the bank rate. No company will accept the coin without profits or FOC.

EDIT: If you do keep the receipt, you can sell it back the to the company where you bought from for lowest deduction.
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you no need to sell to jewelers or banks... you can sell to those who wanted to buy thru online (for eg. fb group)... many people does that now.. but thru banks or jewelers you dont have the risk of genuine or whatever la...

anyway... got even see people buy from UOB then sell at higher price than bank at online... but yet still have people to buy.... dunno why..
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QUOTE(kelvyn @ Jan 31 2012, 11:05 AM)
Is it true that you could buy the physical gold from the bank, say UOB, PB, etc and
later sell them outside at higher price than bank's price?  hmm.gif
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some people not free to search for stocks at uob and no need queue... why not...

got people selling 1oz gold maple at rm5700 (can nego) (give uob receipt also) ... and still got people buying it... i have check uob internet price that time at RM5530...

not every uob bank you walk in you can get the gold you want... you need walk in thier branch and queue, waste office hours time etc....


Added on January 31, 2012, 11:17 amelse... if you urgent to sell... sells at price lower than bank selling to others... but higher than bank buying price... you wont lost that much...

the last resort is sell back to bank... which follows bank buying price...

correct me if i am wrong...

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jan 31 2012, 11:20 AM)
Outside buy based on market price one.

For eg. now market price of gold is Rm170/g for today, nobody will sell you below RM170 today. Banks can sell you at Rm175, jewellery shop can sell at retails jewellery price at RM199.
Impossible to make instant abitrage the to make a profit.

But next day price go up Rm180 that lead one make profit, is another story already.

Selling is always market price + spread charging
Buying price is always market price - charging.

Those so called "scheme" that posted before, by shops offer sell high and buy higher than market price won't get away the basic pricing.

Sell at you at Rm199, but offer to buy back from you at Rm180 only applied if you bought from them at RM199.
If market price out there is RM170, outside only accept buy back no more than Rm170.

Can you buy from outside at Rm175 to sell to them at Rm180? Certainly no.  laugh.gif
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agree... if the same shop policy applies...

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