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post May 6 2012, 10:37 PM

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I've been planning to get the golf mk7 but my wife just got pregnant. We decided to get safer cars before the baby arrive at the end of the year. So I am planning to get the mk6 now anyway.

Q1. May I ask if the backseats are baby seat friendly/compatible? (thinking of getting a Graco My Ride 65 convertible.)

Q2. At this time of the year, how much discount can I expect to get and how long roughly is the waiting period for a golf tsi?

Thanks.

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post May 7 2012, 08:36 PM

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Thank you guys for the responses. When I was asking for the price/discount initially, i had in mind a new 2012 golf as I wasn't aware that there would still be a 2011 golf tsi in May. If they have it at >12k discount I'm more than happy to take it.

Seems like there's no shortcut but to go to each VW showroom one by one to ask.
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post May 30 2012, 09:36 AM

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Is the resale value that bad?
Looking at mudah and oto, and comparing a 155k golf with a 131k civic.

Golf drop 25-30k value in 2 years while civic drops about 20-25k in 2 years. (pls verify this as I might be wrong.)

Depreciation for 5/8 years, I have no idea. Golf mk6 has only been around in Malaysia for 2-3 years. Anyone can offer an educated guess please?
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post May 30 2012, 01:37 PM

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Sorry I can accept difference in opinions but can't understand ppl who can't accept different opinion. Looking at resale value means if I don't like the car as much as I thought I would after a year or so, I can exit knowing what I can expect to get, not necessarily makin my purchase decision base on the resale value itself. But I shouldn't have to explain this.

It's as valid a consideration as asking whether there's a push start button or trunk size, seat capacity etc. I just can never understand why there'll always be someone asking others not to base their decision on some valid consideration just because they don't themselves.

No offense.

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post May 31 2012, 07:09 PM

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QUOTE(palmforest @ May 30 2012, 11:44 PM)
Seriously, if u worry about resale value, don't invest in cars. Go ahead invest in houses n landed property.

T and H cars are as boring as Nissan Sunny. Hey Nissan Sunny also got better resale value too.
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I can only say I am sorry. As much as I hope one day Malaysians in general can be more helpful and provide fact-based information when others ask for help instead of imposing their own thought/decision making mechanisms onto others regardless whether that information is used as good-to-know, light-weight factor or sole determinant, I just can't force everyone to read before posting or to understand me after reading.

Just some questions that I naively hope you could enlighten me:
Why does taking into account of resale value mean that one cannot ultimately decide to buy a car with bad resale value? Why do you deny ppl the right to even just consider a factor? To match the spirit of your comment, if I worry and consider about fuel consumption then I should buy an oil rig? Even though what I needed was a car, really?

This is not meant to upset anyone, I apologize if I did. Just hope that this can challenge the way some ppl think in a positive manner.

And of course I gotta say, thanks to those who actively share their knowledge to help out and post pictures here, I enjoy reading this forum.XD

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post Jun 13 2012, 10:40 PM

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QUOTE(ma43q @ Jun 1 2012, 08:19 AM)
then u have to seriously think about how much are r u really interested in that particular car and whether the interest outweigh the question on resale value or the other way around. If your primary concern is resale value, then go for a car that really will gives u good resale value after couple of years. I think nobody can be certain on VW's resale value down the road. But that's the least of my concern since i'm happily vroom vroom with my little polo sport.

By the way, how long r u thinking of using the car before you want to sell it off?

Perhaps u also need to ask yourself if the car is still good and u have no whatsoever problem with it, then do u still want to sell it off in few years times? if no, then the resale value question is not relevant anymore. Anyway, whatever car u get, buy it with no regret and enjoy what u buy.
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My current Myvi has served me 7 years so I don't foresee myself selling off my next car in 2-3 years. I plan to use it for a good 7 years or more if possible. My earlier concern is the resale value after say 4/5/6/7 years. Say if the resale value is a huge drop after 5 years where the warranty expires. Then I might consider selling it off before the 5th year completes. Thanks for the advice and I have placed a booking on a golf.

The SA is offering me RM2200 for V-Kool Elite. Is this a good deal? And what is the recommended thickness of the film (or the series?) to get should I go for heat rejection+security? Does the ones with security mean that I need to somewhat forego some heat rejection%?

Thanks.
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post Jun 15 2012, 06:54 AM

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QUOTE(mac.tay @ Jun 14 2012, 06:50 PM)
whats ur car? wanna consider 3M tint?
im doing group buy
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Hello Mac.tay, I got a golf tsi. What's the damage and which 3M tint are you getting? Heard that V-Kool has better heat rejection. Any reason you're choosing 3M?

Thanks for asking.
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post Jun 16 2012, 07:08 AM

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QUOTE(mac.tay @ Jun 15 2012, 09:54 AM)
on hand i got 4 cars incl me (golf tsi) confirmed for 3M d.
my fren rcmd 3M n i study all tint spec found 3M IRR 97% is highest.
yday fren tested KESAS smart tag ok with slow speed.

for me all brand highest spec are good, either one is good.
gucci, prada, LV which one is good? for me either one is good.
but one of my fren insist wan 3M, another fren any brand ok, so just confirmed 3M dont waste time look ard.

if u interested then PM me lo.
2 cars done yday n day before, mine n another fren going this noon or tomorrow.
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Hi Mac.tay, thanks for explaining. I'm only getting my car today around 11+am. Hope it's not too late for me. PM-ed you.
Thank you kenso for your input too.

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Just did a little bit of research...Just to share.

3M CRYSTALLINE 70

Visible Light Transmittance : 70%
Ultra Violet Rejection : 99.9%
Infrared Rejection : 97%

Vs.

V-KOOL ELITE (VLT=73.2% UVR=98% IRR=94%)


And comparing tinting with security feature...


3M ULTRA PRESTIGE S70 (6 MIL)

Visible Light Transmittance : 65%
Ultra Violet Rejection : 99.9%
Infrared Rejection : 97%

vs

V-Kool Impeccable Series
Ray Barrier (VLT=63% UVR=99% IRR=95%)


I'm leaning towards the 3M Ultra Prestige S70 (6mil). Is 65% VLT JPJ-compliant? Thank you Mac.tay for pointing out that 3M actually has the highest IRR and is better with GPS/smart tag. Now it seems like a no-brainier to me. I can give up that marginal heat rejection from V-Kool for all the extras from 3M. Any Reviews or comments? I'm gonna be fetching the missus and the baby during weekends, so the extra security does give me peace of mind. Unless somebody has had/heard bad experience...In that case, please share. Thanks guys.

Next is to consider the LED tail light and RCD510 before moving on to doing Sierra Glow...

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post Jun 25 2012, 01:24 AM

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I'm really starting to suspect what my SA told me - that the bi-xenon lights do not swivel and it's only the fog lights. Btw I drive a golf.

Paultan's blog said it pretty clear that the light swivels and I've read a few overseas forum. I turned off 'travel mode' in the mfi but it doesn't work either.

My light is on "auto" mode, what did I miss?

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post Jun 25 2012, 08:34 PM

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The headlight does move Up-down and left-right during start up. This is the regular self-check I suppose. But it doesn't swivel when I drive.

From overseas forum, it seems that there's a speed range, and need to uncheck the travel mode too. It is just still not working.

The SA who sold me could not get it to work hence she asked another colleague who then told her that it wasn't suppose to swivel. So I feel reluctant to call them.

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It just hit me that maybe it does swivel but I can't tell yet. There's no way to try it with a stationary car because it only swivels while it's moving between a speed range. Dang. I guess I'll just have to observe a little harder over time. Thanks for trying to help.

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post Jun 27 2012, 04:27 PM

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QUOTE(Mavik @ Jun 26 2012, 09:01 PM)
Bro, you just don't get it is it? The light swivels.

I can easily calibrate the lights to swivel as well during startup to adjust. Also when you adjust the height of the light when it shines, you need to calibrate it to ensure that it is level. I can guarantee that the lights swivel unless your Golf came without the light and sound package. I know this because for those who bought the Golf with the light and sound package, you can see the ballast and the leveler connected to the headlights.
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Sigh. I called up my SA who then passed the phone to a more senior SA who still claimed that the head lights should not swivel. He kept thinking that I meant the fog light, had to spent 2 full minutes repeating to him that I was talking about the xenon headlight. When he finally understood my question, instead of telling me he is unsure he went back to explaining how the fog light works when I check the 'bend lighting' option.

Mavik, if you don't mind. Can you tell me the settings of your mdf? To be absolutely sure, is there anyone out there who got a 2012 golf 1.4 who can tell me that his headlight swivel?

Haha the SA was very upset that I brought up some feature that he's not aware of and kept claiming that there's no such feature. As for me, I'm always baffled when ppl's logic allow them to think that having not seen a UFO is the proof of there being no UFO. So I told the guy nicely that I wouldnt trouble him any further and I would find out myself.

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post Jun 27 2012, 10:56 PM

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QUOTE(XiuKeong @ Jun 27 2012, 07:04 PM)
I went for a test drive on last weekend and SA did show me the headlight swivel smile.gif
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Hi Xiu Keong. Do you mind telling me which VW branch you went for a test drive or even the SA's name? Thanks.
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post Jun 28 2012, 02:42 PM

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QUOTE(kenso77 @ Jun 28 2012, 09:54 AM)
I have a 2011 Golf and the lighting is the same as the 2012. There are 2 cornering lights in the Golf (those in 2011 has an option of purchasing it with or without this feature): dynamic and static. Static bending activates your front fog lights (left turns on when you're turning left and vice versa on the opposite direction) occurs when you're stationary to speeds up to 10kph (dynamic is not active at these speeds). Dynamic bending is when the xenon light beam swivels and turns as you turn the steering wheel and only happens at speeds above 10kph.

More details here:

http://www.my-gti.com/1989/volkswagen-corn...ornering-lights
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Yes kenso your info is accurate. I found this last night in the manual too. So far I think I have activated it in the MDF - unchecked travel mode and checked bend lighting. I am also aware that the maximum that the lights will swivel is 15 degree. I believe my lights do no swivel, I am just not 100% sure whether I'm not observant enough (I've been looking at it very hard for a few days now), or there's more to the MDF setting than what I just described, or mine is defect.

It's just added pain when the SA told me that only the GTI Golf has this feature.
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post Jun 28 2012, 07:32 PM

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QUOTE(kenso77 @ Jun 28 2012, 04:29 PM)
Which branch is this?
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It's the jalan Ipoh branch. Amcorp auto. The guy wasn't very happy and told me many times that their trainer himself taught them that the TSI has no swivel function.
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post Jun 30 2012, 10:38 AM

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QUOTE(Mavik @ Jun 29 2012, 09:07 PM)
Yup I faced those same issues. In the end, I sold off my car. Couldn't stand having to hang around the SC so many times as well as wait so long for warranty such as the mechatronics etc..etc...etc..
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I'm sincerely very sorry to hear this. When you were explaining about the swivel light, you used past tense and I thought it's just a typo. I'm very sorry for asking about the MDF setting too.

Frankly, one of the reason I bought a golf was because I stumbled upon your blog. I hope you have found an equally good car by now, if not a better one.
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post Jul 1 2012, 07:43 AM

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QUOTE(Mavik @ Jul 1 2012, 03:21 AM)
To be quite honest, there were plenty of stock cars which had the same failure as well.
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I just got my car for a couple of weeks. Let's hope that the DSG upgrade helps in resolving this issue.
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post Jul 1 2012, 09:00 PM

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QUOTE(gamenoob @ Jul 1 2012, 06:36 PM)
The truth about the dsg7 is that the engine power running very close to the limit of the gearbox. The dsg7 is rated at 250nm n most of the engine that coupled to this gearbox ie tsi1.4 n 1.8 is at 160-180hp with 240-260nm at the wheel. This mean on crank u looking at almost 170-190hp n 260-280nm. That is 2.5l NA equivalent power. The 0-100 accel is addictive too n I seen way too many auntie n folks spinning wheel at traffic light doing launch control. With the dry n lower rated dsg limit that's is just a recipe for accelerated wear n year. There are cases of mechatronic failure or clutch pack issues for complete stock as mentioned but they are also many who driven for 60-70k km in 12mths without issue. So is the gear box design bad or just a batch issue? So far many of those who have replace the parts are having no further issue. So I think more of a batch issue.

But how many are willing n honest about what they have done to their car before the dsg failed? I know a few who remap barely out of showroom n start to ARempit like no body business and then parts failed.. And cry baby... And quietly revert to stock but get caught by vw because the car computer ecu keep track of flash count n losses their warranty.

If u drive it as it is without mod, if things failed u got 5 yrs unlimited mileage warranty to take care of thing.

If u worry too much buy the usual t & h n keep ur resale value. If u think vw bad, go and check out the BMW/peugeot/ford etc forum too...
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Thanks for sharing your thoughts. But how does one actually get 10hp/20NM more just by flooring? That's what you meant by cranking right?

Well I think GTI drivers are more likely to do the launch control but they had no problems with their gearbox (or at least not as common as the TSI). So my humble take is that if it's built as a feature in the car and that's one of the features VW used to sell the car then it should be sustainable.

I think you meant the clutch plate. Do you work at the VW service centre or higher management? I just wonder how you deduced that it's more likely a batch issue that's all. (because one usually needs to have the statistics to be able to tell things like this) I'm interested to learn more, not challenging you. It would be comforting if you could say that 2011 batch has significantly less such reported case. But then this batch has been driven for only 1 year 's time so it could just be that the problem doesn't emerged so soon. Whereas having no problem after replacing the parts, you need to factor in that it takes time for the new parts to fail like How the original parts only failed after some time and also the experience of having the parts replaced will impact the drivers' behavior. 1. Being explained how and why the parts failed in the first place. 2. The super long wait when VW replaces the parts.

So what I got is that it cannot be concluded that the failure of the mechatronics is caused by driving patterns. It could be, but with what's presented on the table it's just opinion, not conclusion. And that it's too soon to tell that the problem is solved (long term sustainability) after replacing the parts.

I think ppl are not so worried by the breakdown of the parts itself but the slow and bad service VW gave them when the parts fail.

Isn't VW selling >1k cars per month now? To me all things are bound to fail, it's how it's taken cared of when things fail that is the 'reliability'. With the increase in VW driver base in MY, if the management is serious about their business they would look into the 'reliability'. Just my 2 cents.

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post Jul 1 2012, 10:13 PM

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I believe that they are well aware of the DSG7 issue. So I'd like to think that the DSG update is their solution to that.

I guess they wouldn't know themselves how well it'll solve the problem (only slows down the wear and tear or fix it permanently) until sometime later. It better not be like my previous Samsung washing machine, 1 year warranty and it konk out during the 13th month. >_<

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post Jul 1 2012, 10:24 PM

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QUOTE(Mavik @ Jul 1 2012, 10:58 PM)
Yup, you nailed it on the dot with this. Its not about being worried that I couldn't get it replaced but the poor service. Imagine a month without having a car, no courtesy car, false promises, constantly having to call them to find out the status only knowing that the car was just left there unattended. Their sales are definitely high but at the moment they are trying very hard to improve on their service.
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The only sensible business model for car makers is to build a large base first and then work on services or the cost will prove prohibitively high. But I'm sure you already know that. Hope they're really working on the service level part like you said.
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post Jul 3 2012, 07:33 AM

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QUOTE(palmforest @ Jul 2 2012, 08:08 PM)
Like I said before, if u scare and doubt about their after service, don't invest in their products. Get something else for peace of your money. Don't simply make wild guess and relate with your washing machine.  Does those statement solved your yet coming soon dsg problem?
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Huh? The DSG update being the solution to the common DSG failure is a wild guess? Haha I'm sorry you had a bad day but you picked on the wrong guy. And again, last I checked, basic human rights still allows me to buy something even if I have concern about the products' reliability. To put it in a nicer way, I have reservations about each car in my list of potential to-buy list, and this is still the car I liked most after weighing all factors.

And I don't care what you said before, if ppl do something even if you 'have said' not to do it. That may just very well mean that ppl do not agree with you and is decent enough to just ignore your comment.

Yes, mentioning the washing machine helped me to illustrate clearly my fear that this DSG update might just be delaying the failure. I'm not the first person to say all these, read up other forums pal. And please, be in peace and don't throw ppl your bad attitude.

And lastly, no. None of what I mentioned will help solve the DSG problem. But just in case you logged into the wrong forum, this is not the VW engineer forum, this is the lowyat forum... Where ppl just share random thoughts...

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