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vr2turbo
post Nov 6 2011, 12:28 PM

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QUOTE(bladekiller @ Nov 6 2011, 08:42 AM)
thanks so much for the clarification.

If engine is stated '4G_ _ _' meaning it has 4 cylinders running on gasoline right? 4 cylinders meaning 4 spark plugs.
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Your Tiggo is the older model? If yes, then it is the 4G Mitsu engine.....

The iridium are around RM150 and above. I doubt the improvement is worth the amount paid for.
You can try Platinum which cost much less tongue.gif
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post Nov 6 2011, 09:26 PM

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QUOTE(imperialrealcs @ Nov 6 2011, 09:06 PM)
for my engine VQ30DE, platinum is more expensive than iridium lolol
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Platinum Fusion or the 4 points ones. The normal platinum is cheaper then the Iridium.....
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post Nov 7 2011, 03:05 PM

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QUOTE(bladekiller @ Nov 7 2011, 09:24 AM)
wow that's  cheap... laugh.gif
bro just a question, when i look for other brands lik NGK/Denso, the model i should look for is?
If using Bosch to NGK cross ref: BCPR6ET
So i should inform suppliers that i need spark plug BCPR6ET right?
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Yes, if you have the cross reference correct...... tongue.gif



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post Nov 7 2011, 03:10 PM

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QUOTE(bladekiller @ Nov 7 2011, 03:08 PM)
thx for all the help here! appreciate it.
now the problem is i cant seem to open the engine cover to explore further.  cry.gif
keep pulling it up but something is locking it down.
I thought i saw the service guy opened it like a flap. rclxub.gif
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My wife's Tiggo is still new so I have not open it up before also......as still maintained by the SC....

But I got this result in another forum....
Factory install : Bosch FR7DTC (Triple earth electrode)
Some alternatives
BOScH FR7DC, FR7DCX etc
Denso K20PRU-11,K20PBR etc (normal),IK20 (Iridium), VK20 (Iridium/Platinum)
NGK BKR6E-11

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post Nov 7 2011, 07:27 PM

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I also search Bosch website and they have 2 and 4 electrode but not 3 also?
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post Nov 7 2011, 08:10 PM

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Was mentioned 3 electrode by bro. scorgio and was in the website also, but in Bosch website don't have, maybe discon already.....
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post Nov 8 2011, 07:48 AM

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Wonder why Conti uses 3 electrodes? My friend's ZX using the Valeo also 3 electrodes..... hmm.gif
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post Nov 20 2011, 04:57 PM

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QUOTE(bladekiller @ Nov 19 2011, 09:55 PM)
just changed to IK20 today at a nearby service shop.
I found out that the old plugs are covered with some oil (black  in color). icon_question.gif
the mechanic said to send my car back to the service centre to change dono what.... rclxub.gif
btw, the plug's thread is covered mostly in oil (2 out of 4 plugs, towards the left side of the engine).
any sifu here knows what's the problem? any approximately how long to fix it ah?


Added on November 19, 2011, 9:56 pmvr2turbo, i know how to open the cover alrd! haha, its sort of like a rubber stopper. just pull it hard n it will open. handle with care!
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Got take pic of the plugs? Oily or sooting?

On my VR, I have run on Iridium, Platinum, Copper, Normal all also can run..... hmm.gif

For the cover, pull from the front part? I remember you mention have to flip it up?
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post Nov 21 2011, 10:55 AM

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QUOTE(bladekiller @ Nov 20 2011, 08:35 PM)
bro pics as requested.
the 'spinning' part is covered in oil, and 1 of them the tip almost kena oil d.. ohmy.gif

ya the cover will open like a flap once u managed to pull it up. mine was quite tight though, the serviceman unscrew the back and found out its a rubber stopper kinda lock. but becareful not to break th cover...
The plugs looks okay. The tip got no oil. At the side could have come from the top. Any oil stain on top of your engine block?

Okay, will try to open, as I have not open before. Wanted to clean the engine but cover in the way.....


Added on November 21, 2011, 10:59 am
QUOTE(peachmonkey @ Nov 20 2011, 08:10 PM)
Apologies to TS for 'borrowing' his thread.

Wanted to ask the sifu's here. For a Iswara LMST what plug is best suited to get that extra 'kick' during driving without effecting the FC too much?

Currently running on original plugs and cables.
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To me, not worth the investment. Some mention smoother pick up with Iridium but they cost RM150 or more per set.
Probably you can try a set of platinum first. Different material are actually more for durability, means like using platinum will last longer then using normal plugs, and Iridium even longer. Now they even have Iridium tough.....
But then using cheaper plugs you can use many sets so back to square one...... biggrin.gif


Added on November 21, 2011, 11:00 am
QUOTE(kahsoon0020 @ Nov 21 2011, 03:47 AM)
I have changed Super 4 Spark plugs for my wira. I wonder if it's good? I dont even know what material it's made of. I bought RM50 for 4 pieces biggrin.gif.
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Bosch Super 4 should be copper core...... nod.gif

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post Nov 21 2011, 01:48 PM

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Yup, should be. Try cleaning around that area, but with the plugs on, in case some dirt fall inside.

If internal problem the plug tip will be oily......
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post Nov 21 2011, 09:54 PM

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QUOTE(bladekiller @ Nov 21 2011, 08:49 PM)
thx scorgio & vr2turbo.. so i take your word for it laugh.gif
after changing, accelerating seems to have a minimal improvement.
but i realize when idling, the car is abit shaky?? dono due to this or not.
otherwise im ok with the change.

I'll wipe the engine when free! thanks for all the advice!  flex.gif
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You only change the plugs, so better monitor for a while.....
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post Nov 22 2011, 08:16 AM

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QUOTE(kahsoon0020 @ Nov 22 2011, 01:35 AM)
super 4 is copper core, so it's actually lousier than platinium? D:... The guy said it has 4 points so better ignition. lol.
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Have to see how your look at it. Different materials are more for durability. Then there is also design. Each brand have their own design and have said their is the best but there are no actual comparison done.
If you look at the normal plugs. One curve ground electrode over the center one. In a single cam engine these plugs are mounted at an angle therefore the spark is slight more opened towards the head of the piston. In a twin cam engine these plug will be directly on top, then the spark is actually shielded by the ground electrode. That is why Split fire mentioned for this area their design with the split ground electrode plays a part. The spark now is direct towards the piston head. I think NGK have one plug with V cut on the center electrode. Denso design is the U groove on the ground electrode. These two design is to move the spark to the side so that the ground electrode will not block the spark.
Then now come to your 4 ground electrodes. This design do not cover the center electrode but are at the side, therefore the spark is more open. Moreover with 4 grounds they can spark to any, therefore said to be more efficient.
There are many more, like iridium and platinum saying with the smaller diameter center electrode the spark is more concentrated. And the list goes on. So you have to find out which works best for you...... tongue.gif

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post Nov 22 2011, 01:45 PM

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QUOTE(alexng2208 @ Nov 22 2011, 01:32 PM)
Is it possible that changing of Spark plugs alone can increase HP?

some dudes seem to swear by a certain brand through dyno test...
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Like what 2hp, hardly can feel but on dyno will show.....
If you read most of the sparky websites, I don't think this is even mentioned....
Most will ask you to change accordingly to the right heat range......

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post Nov 22 2011, 04:12 PM

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QUOTE(alexng2208 @ Nov 22 2011, 01:53 PM)
Oo... got it boss smile.gif
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Found one webpage on it. Denso mention improve 0.5ps. This website mention Iridium increase by 2.9whp which is not bad, but still can feel much in daily drive....
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post Nov 23 2011, 07:53 AM

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Yup, the main feedback is smoother acceleration.....

You running on twin cam? If yes, the open design of the platinum fusion has a more direct spark down to the piston top
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post Nov 24 2011, 02:32 PM

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QUOTE(bladekiller @ Nov 24 2011, 08:57 AM)
Shit I just open the cover n unable to close back. Found out that the metal thing holding the rubber stopper is soft 1 , bendable.
Hav to ask the serviceman to close it back aft wiping the top part later
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Cannot bend back??
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post Nov 25 2011, 07:29 AM

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QUOTE(bladekiller @ Nov 24 2011, 09:31 PM)
solved it. bend to normal place, then hit the cover hard to make it snap back!!
do not push it slowly cos it'll bend the metal thing
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I have to be careful too then...... blush.gif
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post Dec 3 2011, 08:53 PM

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QUOTE(Jajay Chong Hon Keat @ Dec 3 2011, 05:16 AM)
Good morning all sifus, may I know Bosch Super 4 or NGK platinum  spark plug can have better performance on wira 1.5M carb?
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Based on design, then Bosch...... tongue.gif
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post Dec 4 2011, 09:36 AM

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QUOTE(Jajay Chong Hon Keat @ Dec 4 2011, 01:10 AM)
Lolx brother  sweat.gif ...Hide inside the engine nobody will care about the design de lah~! How about performance orh??  icon_question.gif
How about Denso iridium and NGK iridium? Which is better for performance?
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That was what I meant, the super 4 design has an open center electrode, with 4 ground electrode at the side. Spark can come from any of the 4 ground. If driving twin cam engine, plug tip is open directly in the path of the piston head, therefore getting combustion.

Denso Iridium has 0.4mm center electrode, and NGK I think is 0.6mm/ Denso claim the 0.4mm smaller sharper tip, collects or concentrate all the spark together giving a stronger spark.

The above are all claims by their respective spark plug company/distributor...... brows.gif
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post Dec 4 2011, 08:35 PM

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QUOTE(Jajay Chong Hon Keat @ Dec 4 2011, 12:32 PM)
For 4G15, Denso iridium or NGK iridium can get better performance?  ohmy.gif
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I won't spend that kind of money on iridium plugs. Have used them before and actually I find them the same.
I would say the different makes of material is more for durability. Iridium being the hardest last a longtime, the platinum, then copper and so on. Platinum can be considered as they cost around RM70 (I think) and Iridium are doubled that.


Added on December 4, 2011, 8:36 pm
QUOTE(mADmAN @ Dec 4 2011, 12:48 PM)
a few years ago there was a website that i used to follow.....it was about mods on his B18C integra GSR

one of the mods he tested was spark plugs.... with platinum plugs vs cheap ngk plugs....

cheap ngk plugs gained 3hp more thumbup.gif
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Wah! that is a good one.....


Added on December 4, 2011, 8:38 pm
QUOTE(SweeJ @ Dec 4 2011, 04:55 PM)
how often does one have to change spark plugs? if they haven't been changed for over ten years? safe to change them now?
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What? 10 years never change the plugs? I wonder if the plugs are now fused in to the engine already?

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