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RHB islamic bond value drop more than 8%, what should I do ?
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TSIrresistible
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Nov 5 2011, 08:20 AM, updated 15y ago
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I just recently invest in the counter.... Not in BIG SUM fortunately. the value drop more than 8% . What should I do ? QUOTE What Has Happened? On 24 October 2011, the Net Asset Value (NAV) of RHB Islamic Bond Fund dropped 8.323% from RM1.2459 to RM1.1422 as a result of the 100% write-down of Tracoma Bond, which RHB Islamic Bond Fund (the Fund) holds RM5 million of it and amounted to 8.323% of the total fund size.
As the Fund still holds the Tracoma Bond, it can recover some of the bond value through the liquidation of Tracoma’s assets. However, to comply with accounting standard and best-practice, the Fund needs to write-down the value of the bond to zero to be conservative. http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...?articleNo=1719This post has been edited by Irresistible: Nov 5 2011, 08:46 AM
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TSIrresistible
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Nov 5 2011, 10:07 AM
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QUOTE(howszat @ Nov 5 2011, 09:51 AM) Going by that, if you can hold on, there is a chance the NAV may recover partially from this. Note that another bond fund, non-Islamic RHB Bond Fund did something similar - ie recorded 2 sharp drops in the past few years. Makes you wonder. really ? u bought it too ? wonder about what ?
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TSIrresistible
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Nov 5 2011, 08:45 PM
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I just pump in some money b4 u guys reply this ... I thought BBB & above is strong .... (from its prospectus). How to I know it did not follow its rules ? Somemore, it is in Supermart recommend list. haiz....  Added on November 5, 2011, 8:46 pmQUOTE(Kinitos @ Nov 5 2011, 04:12 PM) RHB Islamic Bond bought the $5M nominal value 7.2% Tracoma Holdings Bhd at a discount for $4.38M There is another $8M nominal value 9.30% Ample Zone Bhd in its portfolio bought at cost $8.17M facing a recent downgrade. A few week back MARC has lowered its ratings on Ample Zone Berhad's (Ample Zone) RM9.65 million Class B Sukuk Ijarah (sukuk) and RM75 million Class C sukuk to BB+IS and B-IS from A-IS and B+IS respectively. The outlook on the ratings remains negative. The downgrades reflect a heightened risk that upcoming payment obligations in January 2012 will be missed, based on the unsatisfactory progress to date in collateral disposal. The negative outlook incorporates substantial uncertainty over the marketability of the collateral properties and execution risks with regard to the disposal of the collateral properties, as well as the approaching payment date for the sukuk. Ample Zone is dependent on the realisation of the transaction's collateral to meet its forthcoming January 2012 obligations on both classes of sukuk totalling RM88.5 million, of which RM84.6 million relates to principal repayments. Where u guys get this info ? This post has been edited by Irresistible: Nov 5 2011, 08:46 PM
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TSIrresistible
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Nov 5 2011, 10:42 PM
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QUOTE(kucingfight @ Nov 5 2011, 09:30 PM) for now, just hold n hope for the best. i guess ppl won't be complaining if it was doing well ..  u are the one that recommend me this fund .... Frankly, if drop 0.8 % ,its acceptable . Bond fund ,conservative. but, now is drop 8% in one day.
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TSIrresistible
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Nov 6 2011, 12:05 PM
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QUOTE(kucingfight @ Nov 6 2011, 11:25 AM) ya off course, it's always one's discretion to purchase it or not. so if it's doing well, would you have praised me here?  not anyone to blame la.... No show angry face expression'
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TSIrresistible
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Nov 6 2011, 03:47 PM
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QUOTE(MNet @ Nov 6 2011, 02:26 PM) i ask u buy amdynamic u dont 1 I actually consider to buy amdynamic initially per ur advice, & ask advice from Kucingfight. He said amdynamic is expensive. Then, end up with RHB islamic bond.
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TSIrresistible
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Nov 6 2011, 04:39 PM
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QUOTE(mois @ Nov 6 2011, 03:56 PM) bro, for bond funds, the NAV is just a number. bond is like buy and keep. Not really for trade. If value drop & drop, u still hold meh ? I mean, for bond fund, I don't expect a drop more than 3%. 8% is not easy to recover....
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TSIrresistible
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Nov 6 2011, 09:55 PM
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QUOTE(kucingfight @ Nov 6 2011, 05:26 PM) bro, please don put words in my mouth. u asked for advice/recommendation n i was merely sharing my thoughts. i didn't mention amdynamic is expensive, i said there was a 1% exit fee. So, if u were ok with it, go on, no one's stopping u from investing. again,coincidentally that this happened n u come crying out over spilt milk. so, IF amdynamic suffered the same thing, u would come blaming Mnet too? just too bad it happened, n it's up to u to cut lost/keep it. i myself hold on to it, n yeah not all decisions are always rite. I never blame u la.... Its myself wan the cheaper alternative. U just provide me info, I m the one that make the choice !
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TSIrresistible
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Nov 7 2011, 11:46 AM
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QUOTE(gark @ Nov 7 2011, 10:49 AM) 1st - You are not sure of the recoverable amount and the asset write down. Some assets can only be sold as junk... 2nd - The liquidation can take from 6 months to >5 years depending on the 'saleability' of the asset and completion of ALL the court cases which is associated with bankruptcy. All the bank creditors, suppliers, LHDN, former employees will start suing if they are owed money. Can wait so long?  The remaining of 92% is B+ and above .. Should be safe to invest lo... I think. haiz, I just look at the top 5 holdings previously. Never look into its report. Now, learn a lesson.
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TSIrresistible
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Nov 7 2011, 10:41 PM
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QUOTE(gark @ Nov 7 2011, 02:39 PM) Now maybe so.. but looking at the track record of the manager, if in the future he decide to gamble again by buying junk bonds then how?  Added on November 7, 2011, 2:41 pmNegative outlook, have been downgraded 3 times and "heightened risk that upcoming payment obligations in January 2012 cannot be met", means might not have enough money to pay debt in Jan 2012. It remains a time bomb at RHB Islamic Bond fund...  What's the advice , switch ? Cash out ? Even if it can't repay on January Repayment, it won't written it off , so fast, right ? This post has been edited by Irresistible: Nov 7 2011, 10:49 PM
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TSIrresistible
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Nov 8 2011, 12:23 AM
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Why I can 't more info about Ample ZOne bhd.
Is it listed ?
What is its STOCK name is bursa Malaysia ?
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TSIrresistible
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Nov 8 2011, 01:07 AM
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QUOTE(cheahcw2003 @ Nov 8 2011, 12:26 AM) u can google the company. I have posted about Ample Zone Bhd's info 6 months ago to advice visitors to look into this firm, despite the good performance of RHB Islamic Bond Fund google, only get the info about its credit rating. It is a subsidiary of Talam ?
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TSIrresistible
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Nov 9 2011, 02:31 PM
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The Company is pleased to announce that t Ample Zone Berhad (Ample Zone), a special purpose vehicle and also a subsidiary of Talam as proposed to raise Sukuk Al-Ijarah of RM150,000,000 (Sukuk). The Securities Commission (SC) has approved the Sukuk via its letter dated 30 December 2004 which was received by the Company on 3 January 2005. Malaysian International Merchant Bankers Berhad (MIMB) is the Lead Arranger and Primary Subscriber for the Sukuk.
RHB Islamic Bond Fund (Fundsupermart Risk Rating: 1-Lower Risk)
RHB Islamic Bond Fund ranked top among Malaysia Bond funds for the past one-year period ended March 2011. It was also the best performing Malaysia Bond fund in 2008 and 2010. The fund ranked third under our performance criterion out of the 17 Malaysia Bond funds. In terms of resilience, the fund has high resilience during market downturns as it ranked third under our risk criterion. The fund’s expense ratio was lower than the average of its peers. We like this fund for its consistent performance, high resilience and low expense ratio.
credit risk are expected to be low as the fund is invested wholly in Malaysian bonds with investment-grade ratings.
Added on November 9, 2011, 3:47 pmI m considering to switch to Ambond ? (no exit fee)
Any comment ?
This post has been edited by Irresistible: Nov 9 2011, 03:47 PM
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TSIrresistible
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Nov 9 2011, 05:08 PM
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QUOTE(gark @ Nov 9 2011, 04:50 PM) If you switch now, means you take the 8% paper loss into actual loss straight away. If you stay put in the RHB Islamic bond fund you will at least recover your loss, and possibility of getting a write-back to the fund. This will take approximately 1-1.5 years based on previous performance However if you are scared of more write down, then switch your money to another fund. Your future money can then be put into another bond fund. If you want to put in AmBond it is ok, as it is a more conservative fund than AmDynamic, and should be less risky. Other than that take a look at bonds funds by Public Mutual as they are reasonably run and have lower management fees of (0.75%) than other bond funds.  I hold 1) Public Sukuk Fund. 2) Public Strategic bond fund. This RHB is part of my investment in Supermart. Interested in its Kenanga growth fund. Frankly, I worry write down of RHB islamic bond. The Ample Zone Bhd due repayment on Jan 2012 (consist 12%). But, I also wan the write back of the fund. In dillema.
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TSIrresistible
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Nov 11 2011, 11:19 AM
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thanks u guys
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