First of all... this car is not a coupe. It has no boot. It's a hatchback.

At 124ps, it is more a 1.7 liter engine and not near the usual 140HP produced by typical 1.8.

With a kerb weight of 1160kg, a 15 year old putra based on a 20 year old Mitsu design will run circles around it. Hatchback it is... hot hatch it is not.

It's value comes from the hybrid tax incentives, which gives it an advantage over any imported cars in terms of pricing except for it's bigger brother the Insight. So it is more of a hot price hatchback instead of a hot hatch.

And finally having a non-performing hybrid engine in a hot looking hatch is like dating hot lesbian who thinks you are gay. It ain't fun.

The 308 thp ain't that hot either in the performance department. The so called turbo didn't exactly pumped up the 1.6. It pretty much puts it on par with the old Proton Satria 1.8 GTi and that car wasn't really great example of a hot hatch. A minimum hot hatch in my books would be the Satria 1.8 GTi with a transplanted 1.8 Turbo. That would be a bare minimun hot hatch.. wait.. that reminds me of my old Satria....

That's because there are no owners yet to defend the bashing.

No, it is not a matter of perception. It is underpowered and lugging around so much weight, it also has really poor power to weight ratio (the universal gauge for assessing a car's 'feel' of power). A 16 year old 1.6 Satria is still faster (way better power to weight ratio) and that was not even considered to be in the hot-hatch category.

And no, this car is not built to be tuned. Slapping on a blower to make 200hp is not called tuning, it's just plain bolt-on modifications which can be done on any car. A flick of a mouse and a click of a button on a notebook in a R34 to make extra 100HP without touching the engine is called TUNING. Don't mix up tuning with blot-on modification.

An those associating the CRZ with the CRX are from the same generation of people who cannot associate the relationship between a pencil and a cassette tape. They have not touched, driven, chased or even seen a CRX but is proud to associate the CRZ with the legend. The CRZ is a replacement to the discontinued CRX, not a continuation of the legacy.

At one point in time, the fastest Proton was the 1.6 Satria (before Putra came out) and trying to chase the CRX in one of those was like trying to chase Usain Bolt on the track. Now we can use the same old Satria that could not catch the CRX to chase down the new CRZ.

So tell me, what exactly has the CRZ done to continue the legacy of the CRX? It did not even continue the name.

ps: took a little interest in this topic as just now coming back from lunch a CRZ rudely cut in front of me, in which I responded by putting my front bumper half an inch from his rear window and he had to duck out of the way. The old CRX would have me chasing him all the way to Kelang and back.

And how would RON 95 be dirty? RON numbers does not indicate the quality of the fuel. RON just indicates the 'anti-knock' qualities of the fuel. The quality is the same. It burns with the same calorific values giving the engine the same amount of power.

And how do you expect to clean your fuel tank by pumping RON 97? Cars have fuel filter for that reason and as long as you are not removing your fuel tank, you will not be able to remove any large sediments that is filtered by the pump before reaching the fuel filter.

And the Honda agent is just bullshitting you and you believed it. I asked you to think about what you is not correct and you say I'm throwing a tantrum. Wow. Is this what our new generation has become? You believe without understanding and when corrected adopts a defensive stance defending something you have no idea about. Have we all taken fanboyism to a new level here? I guess so.

What did I just say wrong or did you wrongly understand my first question to you. That is how I address issue and it is proper. I did not insult your mother nor did I call you names.

I asked you 2 questions. How would RON 95 be dirty? and how do you expect to clean your fuel tank by pumping RON 97?

And your tantrum comment is not an attitude problem? Do not use pull in my staff level into the discussion. Staff level here means we also have to put your attitude and ego problem on check.

I have no idea how you got 2 simple questions to become attitude and ego issue. Fanboyism at a new level. Yes. And please note that this staff is working very hard to remove all fanboyism topics from this forum. I'm here to prove to the admin that this issue is not only restricted to one topic or one manufacturer. It's a issue that we need to address.

I'm here to prove that we just one simple comment that is out of line with the topic and will get retaliation of sorts. Some thought I was only going after one particular topic but that is not the case.

I have always been very supportive of fanboy topics in this forum, even banning those who are stirring the hornets nest in the fanboy topics.

All I asked were 2 questions to get this kind of response from you and you think that is fair to me?

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Added on September 12, 2012, 9:28 amAnd saying that I'm throwing a tantrum is not?

This post has been edited by sleepwalker: Sep 12 2012, 09:28 AM

So why is he so defensive if he has no clue? How can I be defensive when I'm the one asking the questions?

How about surferz reply to me or are you just making a partial judgment here? I responded on the same level surferz did.

Wait a minute. I didn't bring your mum into this discussion. I made that very clear in the previous post. Do you actually understand what I just said or are you just full of rage that you are blinded. By the way, I am the moderator for FnF, just in case you missed the moderator listing on the FnF listing on the front page. I get to read the reports that you have put against me. One of them is that I brought your mother into the discussion? When did that happen?

This post has been edited by sleepwalker: Sep 12 2012, 10:02 AM

Your extra power comes from IMA assist and if your IMA assist is not indicating any assistance provided, you will not have that extra power. I thought the indicator should tell you whether your IMA is assisting or charging and based on that you should be able to figure out whether you are getting extra power or not.

Sports mode actually allows 100% full assist, meaning the moment you stomp on the accelerator, your IMA assist goes full blue bar. HOwever the IMA assistance is not always 100%, depending on your throttle position but as long as Sports mode is turned on, your blue bar will go max faster than Normal or Econ.

Sports mode also changes the characteristics of the ECU to provide a more aggressive throttle response in the engine, making it more fuel hungry. Since IMA is allowed to give full assist, you will run out of battery faster and in the long run, you will be less fuel efficient as you will have no battery left for assistance.

Whereas in ECON mode, the ECU and IMA is adjusted for max fuel saving, making the car feel a little 'lembap' in response. It would be a compromise of charging and using the battery, keeping every thing in balance by the complicated ECU.

Well, sports mode is not for long term use. It's for a temporary boost in power. They didn't get this car to go fast. Most will get this car for the looks, the benefits of the tax incentive and at the same time save on some fuel.

At the price they are paying and what they are getting is difficult to be matched by others at the moment.

There is no point to have a weekend car as you just deprive yourself of the joy in driving it. I drive with heavy foot with an average fuel consumption of 6 to 7 km per liter ( 14.2 to 16.6 liters per 100km for those who keep track this way) but I still don't give a damn. I don't want to park the car at home and only drive it on weekends. I do understand your fear of losing another car at the office though.

It's not about the top speed. It's all about how fast you can get to top speed but unfortunately that does not match the looks of the car. I do wish they had put the FD2R engine inside the CR-Z. The old CRX boyz used to put the good ole B16A/B inside and boy did she fly..

Handling is good but once you throw the car around, the weight of the battery feels odd. It feels like having passengers in the rear seat but when you look back, there's nobody.

You really need to test the car from somebody who owns it and willing to let you drive alone. Test driving feels weird with a passenger as it does not give you the actual feel of the car when you eventually drive it alone. Not just this car but another test drive scenarios with passengers.

This post has been edited by sleepwalker: Sep 13 2012, 10:51 AM

No, I'm not driving one. Life's too short to be a tree hugger.

Still driving scooby as my daily drive car.

You have a gf/sister/mother who carries a small mirror in their handbag? Take that and pretend that it is your rear view mirror.. that'a about all you can see out of rear.. maybe even less. The sloping C pillars also create another blind spot for motorbikes to hide in.

It is not something you can get used to it. A blindspot is a blindspot and you can't get used to blindspots. You will not gain an instinct to know whether there is a motorbike in the blindspot when changing lanes or coming out of a carpark. You just have to be extra cautious and double/triple check everything. Cars with fancy rear ends have this issue, not just the CR-Z.

But by rev matching, he's engaging lower gear for engine braking and hence higher RPM and higher regenerative energy generated per second by the electric motor. If you are leaving your gear on 5th as you brake, you spinning the 'dynamo' at a slower rate than he is. So you can't actually say that he is not fully utilizing his regenerative brakes.

This post has been edited by sleepwalker: Oct 5 2012, 02:43 PM

Removing spots has nothing to do with the ink in the newspaper. Newspaper is like a natural microfiber cloth, absorbent and slightly grainy to help remove spots. Its closes cousin, the paper towel (not to be mistaken with tissue paper) works just as well without the ink.

Main reason newspaper is chosen as the 'tool' for a streak free window cleaning was because in the old days, synthetic microfiber cloth and squeegees were not invented yet. Today, a good microfiber cleans better than newspaper and a good squeegee works faster to remove water streaks on windows.