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 Peugeot 508, Ford Mondeo or VW Passat?, 3 good cars, 1 choice

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post Oct 29 2011, 05:38 PM

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post Oct 29 2011, 06:19 PM

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Almost booked the car just now. But without a proper test-drive, I think its not a good idea to go all out blindly. So the SA suggested me to test a 3008 (same engine/gb but heavier). Acceleration is there albeit a bit of delay (turbo lag?), but still the gear shifting isnt smooth. Shifts feels jerky, even when not gunning the throttle. So I'm holding my horses.

But then the 3008 mileage is already 5k+ mileage and is not serviced (the spanner icon pop-up). So I asked for a 308 to test. 308 is 1400km, and feels smoother, but still the jerky shift can still be felt.

I'm confused now. Could this be same case as BMW 320d and 520d? Both uses the same engine and transmission. But in the 320d shifts are jerky while the 520d is silky smooth
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post Oct 31 2011, 12:11 AM

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QUOTE(sleepy @ Oct 29 2011, 06:19 PM)
Almost booked the car just now. But without a proper test-drive, I think its not a good idea to go all out blindly. So the SA suggested me to test a 3008 (same engine/gb but heavier). Acceleration is there albeit a bit of delay (turbo lag?), but still the gear shifting isnt smooth. Shifts feels jerky, even when not gunning the throttle. So I'm holding my horses.

But then the 3008 mileage is already 5k+ mileage and is not serviced (the spanner icon pop-up). So I asked for a 308 to test. 308 is 1400km, and feels smoother, but still the jerky shift can still be felt.

I'm confused now. Could this be same case as BMW 320d and 520d? Both uses the same engine and transmission. But in the 320d shifts are jerky while the 520d is silky smooth
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bro, this review might help wink.gif

http://www.sgcarmart.com/news/review.php?AID=370
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post Oct 31 2011, 01:51 AM

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Yesterday I saw the 508 and Mondeo next to each other in Tesco KB.... 508 wins hands down interms of look and interior... drool.gif

also, the Optima and Sonata different league ah?


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post Oct 31 2011, 03:32 PM

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QUOTE(spcx @ Oct 31 2011, 12:11 AM)
Thanks man, I've already booked a unit. Here's to wishing its a good car, as reliable as other european marque (europeans are more prone to breakdowns compared to japanese anyway laugh.gif)
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QUOTE(sleepy @ Oct 31 2011, 03:32 PM)
Thanks man, I've already booked a unit. Here's to wishing its a good car, as reliable as other european marque (europeans are more prone to breakdowns compared to japanese anyway laugh.gif)
Whats your delivery time frame and what color did you choose? Interest rates?
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post Oct 31 2011, 04:06 PM

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QUOTE(sleepy @ Oct 31 2011, 08:32 AM)
Thanks man, I've already booked a unit. Here's to wishing its a good car, as reliable as other european marque (europeans are more prone to breakdowns compared to japanese anyway laugh.gif)
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if they build it the same as my 207 here in netherlands, good luck, 20k km only car got plenty bunyi bunyi
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post Oct 31 2011, 09:48 PM

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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Oct 31 2011, 03:36 PM)
Whats your delivery time frame and what color did you choose? Interest rates?
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Supposedly immediately upon loan approval (promised by SA). If not immediate, I'll just cancel it. Im taking the aluminium color. Interest rate is from 2.5 to 2.6. So I'm trying to get loan from multiple bank see which one offer the lowest rate.

QUOTE(rcracer @ Oct 31 2011, 04:06 PM)
if they build it the same as my 207 here in netherlands, good luck, 20k km only car got plenty bunyi bunyi
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Hopefully not la. I've visit some SG forum and so far all praises and no complains from owners, yet. Btw the 207 has really bad build quality. I've spent some time in the showroom to take a closer look at the 207. Everything inside looks pretty low quality, looks worse than proton

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QUOTE(sleepy @ Oct 31 2011, 09:48 PM)
Supposedly immediately upon loan approval (promised by SA). If not immediate, I'll just cancel it. Im taking the aluminium color. Interest rate is from 2.5 to 2.6. So I'm trying to get loan from multiple bank see which one offer the lowest rate.
Hopefully not la. I've visit some SG forum and so far all praises and no complains from owners, yet. Btw the 207 has really bad build quality. I've spent some time in the showroom to take a closer look at the 207. Everything inside looks pretty low quality, looks worse than proton
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eh immediately? i booked during launch.. loan already approved. sad.gif SA said got to wait till Dec/Jan. Let me know if you get your car, I'm going to scream at my SA.
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QUOTE(sleepy @ Oct 31 2011, 02:48 PM)
Supposedly immediately upon loan approval (promised by SA). If not immediate, I'll just cancel it. Im taking the aluminium color. Interest rate is from 2.5 to 2.6. So I'm trying to get loan from multiple bank see which one offer the lowest rate.
Hopefully not la. I've visit some SG forum and so far all praises and no complains from owners, yet. Btw the 207 has really bad build quality. I've spent some time in the showroom to take a closer look at the 207. Everything inside looks pretty low quality, looks worse than proton
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our 207 is locally assembled of course it's shit


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post Nov 1 2011, 05:20 PM

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tried the passat, and jetta, well i can say passat performance is ok ah.. got some power, not too slow, just nice i would say, Jetta is less comfortable but quite powerful, Both cars are expensive though. I think in VW you are buying the engine and the gearbox,

in a 508, you are buying luxury feeling in the car.

mondeo you are also buying performance. with some nice touch.
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QUOTE(spcx @ Oct 31 2011, 10:13 PM)
eh immediately? i booked during launch.. loan already approved. sad.gif SA said got to wait till Dec/Jan. Let me know if you get your car, I'm going to scream at my SA.
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Wow another potential 508 owner rclxms.gif. Anyway my loan approved already. SA says next week get car. If tipu me, I'm gonna bakar their showroom
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QUOTE(rcracer @ Nov 1 2011, 03:22 AM)
our 207 is locally assembled of course it's shit
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local 207 is facelift 206 sedan mah.. your europe 207 is real 207.. biggrin.gif
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hey this has become a 508 thread man... everyone now talking about peugeot here.
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Hi,

Would like to say that I have booked a 508 myself. Aluminium. I have been looking for a D segment car for a few years. Have not found one until the 508. Was waiting for the Accord 2 years back and, when the car was launched, it was a total disappointment. The price was quite high and the car is basically "kosong". Conservative design, ugly rear light with the typical Japanese circular lights, and the "Ah Beng" transparent plastic light housing. There is a display screen which is getting common nowadays but no GPS, no DVD player - basically the screen is for the radio display. There is no trip computer which was a huge disappointment. I thought I was being a bit picky but my opinion was confirmed by a review in the Paul Tan website which compared the Accord to the Camry and the Teana. Basically, I thought that Honda Malaysia has been taking the local people for granted for offering a "kosong" car.

For the current Camry, it was quite a nice car but not nice enough for me to part with RM175k when it was first launched. I was looking forward to the new Camry but was a bit disappointed with the exterior. Looked so conservative. Very typical Japanese. Looking at the steering wheel, with the two round control knobs on each side, makes me cringe.

As for the Teana, the looks alone is enough to put me off. Furthermore, looking at the interior with the vertical dashboard, I can never see myself putting down the money for a Nissan. Nissan always give me the impression that the car is very "hollow" - with little sound insulation. My previous Nissan has a roof which transmit all the sound of the raindrops into the cabin.

I was quite impressed with the Madza 6 which is fully imported from Japan. The build quality is impressive. However, the price was in the RM 180k range so I thought it did not deserve any consideration, knowing the crazy car prices with the so-called AP system.

Quite disappointed with Japanese cars with the bulbous exterior instead of the sculptured look. The common circular rear light design favoured by the Japanese (and the Korean) as seen in the current facelift Altis and the Accord is tasteless, in my opinion.

Now to the 508. I have been following the 508 since it first appeared in the news. Saw a few on the road in Singapore a few months back. Was impressed with the claw design of the rear lights. Original, bold and interesting. Not the typical Japanese rounded lights or the boring shapeless rear light cluster.

The shape of the 508 is a bit conservative, I must admit, but still has the sculptured look of a continental car. The rear is impressive, though some reviewers said it looked plain. I like the way the boot lid integrates into the rear bumper. Looked so good as compared with some Japanese design.

The interior is of course impressive - almost the class of the Audi, BMW, etc. I like the head-up display on the polycarbonate screen. Something the Japanese will never come up with, I think. The two display gauges for speedometer and rev counter are impressive, clear as the optitron display in a Toyota. This is very important to me as I hate to see display which has uneven lighting. The keyless alarm is impressive. Another impressive feature is the silent interior, according to the reviewers. Well-manufactured cars should have good insulation. I understand that the current Accord is quite noisy because the insulation was reduced to save weight. The only slight disappointment is the bonnet release which is on the left hand side instead of the driver's side.

The doors are solid. But, to test further, I did the slam test on the doors with the windows winded down halfway. The sound is still solid without the glass panels rattling. I did the same for my current Toyota Altis and the glass rattles like hell. Very hollow sound when I slam the doors.

I did look at the Passat but with RM 185k for a plain-looking car, it is definitely a no-go.

Overall, quite satisfied and so I decided to book the car even without a test drive. We can cancel the booking without any penalty later on. This is my first continental car purchase. Yes, I have heard and read horror stories about the quality and depreciation of the continental cars. Not to mention the poor service from the service centres. But I was not impressed with the service centre of the Japanese cars either. When I had to change a steering problem in my Altis in Singapore, I had to go to the service centre 3 times before the problem was fixed. Similarly, I was not impressive with the Honda service in Malaysia for my Accord.

I thought about the 1.6 litre turbo engine for the 508. On paper, it does not looked very impressive. But, I understand that the unit was designed with inputs from BMW and it has won some awards as well. I don't drive fast so the engine should be more than adequate for me.

So, hopefully, the experience of getting a continental car will be a rewarding one.

This post has been edited by 8772SS: Nov 1 2011, 11:22 PM
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post Nov 2 2011, 12:23 AM

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QUOTE(8772SS @ Nov 1 2011, 11:07 PM)
Hi,

Would like to say that I have booked a 508 myself. Aluminium. I have been looking for a D segment car for a few years. Have not found one until the 508. Was waiting for the Accord 2 years back and, when the car was launched, it was a total disappointment. The price was quite high and the car is basically "kosong". Conservative design, ugly rear light with the typical Japanese circular lights, and the "Ah Beng" transparent plastic light housing. There is a display screen which is getting common nowadays but no GPS, no DVD player - basically the screen is for the radio display. There is no trip computer which was a huge disappointment. I thought I was being a bit picky but my opinion was confirmed by a review in the Paul Tan website which compared the Accord to the Camry and the Teana. Basically, I thought that Honda Malaysia has been taking the local people for granted for offering a "kosong" car.

For the current Camry, it was quite a nice car but not nice enough for me to part with RM175k when it was first launched. I was looking forward to the new Camry but was a bit disappointed with the exterior. Looked so conservative. Very typical Japanese. Looking at the steering wheel, with the two round control knobs on each side, makes me cringe.

As for the Teana, the looks alone is enough to put me off. Furthermore, looking at the interior with the vertical dashboard, I can never see myself putting down the money for a Nissan. Nissan always give me the impression that the car is very "hollow" - with little sound insulation. My previous Nissan has a roof which transmit all the sound of the raindrops into the cabin.

I was quite impressed with the Madza 6 which is fully imported from Japan. The build quality is impressive. However, the price was in the RM 180k range so I thought it did not deserve any consideration, knowing the crazy car prices with the so-called AP system.

Quite disappointed with Japanese cars with the bulbous exterior instead of the sculptured look. The common circular rear light design favoured by the Japanese (and the Korean) as seen in the current facelift Altis and the Accord is tasteless, in my opinion.

Now to the 508. I have been following the 508 since it first appeared in the news. Saw a few on the road in Singapore a few months back. Was impressed with the claw design of the rear lights. Original, bold and interesting. Not the typical Japanese rounded lights or the boring shapeless rear light cluster.

The shape of the 508 is a bit conservative, I must admit, but still has the sculptured look of a continental car. The rear is impressive, though some reviewers said it looked plain. I like the way the boot lid integrates into the rear bumper. Looked so good as compared with some Japanese design.

The interior is of course impressive - almost the class of the Audi, BMW, etc. I like the head-up display on the polycarbonate screen. Something the Japanese will never come up with, I think. The two display gauges for speedometer and rev counter are impressive, clear as the optitron display in a Toyota. This is very important to me as I hate to see display which has uneven lighting. The keyless alarm is impressive. Another impressive feature is the silent interior, according to the reviewers. Well-manufactured cars should have good insulation. I understand that the current Accord is quite noisy because the insulation was reduced to save weight. The only slight disappointment is the bonnet release which is on the left hand side instead of the driver's side.

The doors are solid. But, to test further, I did the slam test on the doors with the windows winded down halfway. The sound is still solid without the glass panels rattling. I did the same for my current Toyota Altis and the glass rattles like hell. Very hollow sound when I slam the doors.

I did look at the Passat but with RM 185k for a plain-looking car, it is definitely a no-go.

Overall, quite satisfied and so I decided to book the car even without a test drive. We can cancel the booking without any penalty later on. This is my first continental car purchase. Yes, I have heard and read horror stories about the quality and depreciation of the continental cars. Not to mention the poor service from the service centres. But I was not impressed with the service centre of the Japanese cars either. When I had to change a steering problem in my Altis in Singapore, I had to go to the service centre 3 times before the problem was fixed. Similarly, I was not impressive with the Honda service in Malaysia for my Accord.

I thought about the 1.6 litre turbo engine for the 508. On paper, it does not looked very impressive. But, I understand that the unit was designed with inputs from BMW and it has won some awards as well. I don't drive fast so the engine should be more than adequate for me.

So, hopefully, the experience of getting a continental car will be a rewarding one.
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great! another 508 owner soon! Did your SA mention when you'll be getting your car? smile.gif
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btw, watch out for you oil levels also, my 207 ate all the oil until it reach minimum, in about 10k kms
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you guys realized that french cars, peugeot and citroen are famous for its reliability issues in europe, right? heck, even renault too, but the megane rs is one heck of a beast. anyway, maybe the 508 would be different.

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QUOTE(ar188 @ Oct 25 2011, 12:10 PM)
from the past A33 (sold), 407 (sold), RX8 (toy car), current gen akod 2.4 (for rough usage) , currently teana.
how about you then? what car u currently owned?
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Taukeh, I rephrased it for you lah. biggrin.gif

I saw your 'sui kwan' 407 last year on the road after you dumped this. If you want to sell your 'Twin Turbo MyVi', please let me know as a friend of mine might be interested.

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