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digilife
post Jun 25 2016, 08:43 PM

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QUOTE(Wira_lover @ Jun 16 2016, 02:47 PM)
Yes this is true. There have been changes to the rules...If im not wrong about 2 years ago roughly... maybe more... Your car must be fully settled before you can sell it. This si to protect the interest of used car dealers, as these days we dont need them thanks to the internet.
So the banks, will willingly approve loans without advising the buyer that the sellers car must be fully settled, so when the seller says he cant fully pay the loan, the buyer needs to pay a cancellation fee with the bank... So its a win win situation.
Because you only have these options.

Option 1.

Seller hires service of a used car dealer to do invoicing and used car will settle the bank loan for you.. Then process the sale, then the buyer's bank releases the money to used car... any excess or shortage can be retrieved or paid to the used car dealer. This fee can range between 2k-5k , depending on the loan outstanding amount.

Option 2
Buyer cancels the loan due to seller unable to settle the car loan. But buyer will be charged with cancellation fee by the bank who approved his/her loan, this can be argued i believe if the bank approved the loan without asking/advising that the car must be cleared of any hire purchase. It will be a long and annoying fight

Option 3
Buyer and seller work out a deal to payoff the amount charged by used car for their fees. Maybe 50/50 etc.

Option 4
Seller clears the loan him/herself and wait for the disbursement by the buyers bank, you'll get back the cash
I hope this message reaches out to all sellers and buyers, because i feel this is really absurd. the way banks and the dealerships is playing around with the people. So before you get stuck in this cycle, PLEASE let your friends and family know.... if you are buying or selling a car, ALWAYS check if it has an existing loan, then advise the seller that it must be cleared before you apply for a new loan. Once you apply and approved, they win.
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If I want to buy a used car from an individual, how to knoe that he have fully settle his loan from any bank ?
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post Jul 5 2016, 09:13 AM

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QUOTE(Wira_lover @ Jul 4 2016, 11:43 PM)
check at on the original grant (geran) there will be like a chop... saying the car is under milik of which bank... and at the chop there must have like a batal chop with signature to indicate its cancelled
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But it seem that the practice now is that most banks & finance will auto link that Full settlement with JPJ & no stamp will be required on the registration card.

Some registration card will be stamp with " DiBatalkan oleh System "


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post Jul 9 2016, 09:46 AM

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QUOTE(fiqie @ Jul 8 2016, 10:04 PM)
Hi, i was quoted rm1.8k by SA for transfer of ownership+puspakom (all in). I think the price is quite high. How much normally will be charged?
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Puspakom DIY for Borang B5 [ mean cash sale no loan ] = rm31.80 inclusive of GST and if Borang B7 is rm70 or rm90 [ mean need apply loan & finance hse need it ]

JPJ DIY = rm100.00 , duno GST applies or not.

Why pay more ?

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post Jul 9 2016, 03:16 PM

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QUOTE(awiekupo @ Jul 9 2016, 01:27 PM)
Hi guys, appreciate some advise.

I won a car and it comes altogether with the geran, insurance & etc. In short, I dont have to pay anything else for the car. So now I like to sell it but have not yet find any buyer (havent put up ads yet).

My questions are as follow;

1) Should I do inspection B5 only or B5+B7 (just in case if my potential buyer need to take loan to buy the car later)?

2) Once I change the ownership name later once the car is sold, do the buyer need to get his/her own insurance & road tax? Or can this things be transfer too?

3) I was informed that the car insurance can be claim back once I sold the car. Is this true? Any advice on how to go about this and what is the rough amount that I could get if I sell a car that is about 1 month old from date of registration?

4) Would Rm39k for a 1000km+ mileage of 3 weeks old Iriz CVT 1.3  Standard (no add on or anything else) sounds like a fair price to begin with?

Thanks heaps for all your advice in advance!
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1) If your buyer need to take out a loan to buy it, go for B7, it have a validity of 30days from the day it is approve, but do so only when your buyer agrees to buy by giving you a rm1000 deposit first.

2) The buyer need to buy his own insurance & pay the new roadtax cause once ownership is transferred , the current RT will be cancelled. You can get refunds of the Insurance & RT of the car from the respective offices.

3) refer to answer in 2)

4) Refer to Mudah for the pricing as its very subjective

You won the UM car promo ?

Hope the above helps.
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post Jul 9 2016, 08:18 PM

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QUOTE(Galaxy Angel @ Jul 9 2016, 04:21 PM)
question, if tinted is within JPJ spec, means no need to tear off when sending the car to Puspacom, am I right? If still have to tear off, only main screen or all screen?
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Puapakom's Tinting standard is far more strict than JPJ's, I was told la..............

I seen a few cars Q in front of me have their driver's side film peel off by their respective owners. As for mine, I only applied a layer of anti smash film on the side windscreens. Other than that I am using factory grade glass.

And yes, they did a test on my front & driver side windscreen.

When I received my B5, it was printed there I have 69% of light penetration on the front & side windscreens. The rule states that the front need 70% light penetration & side windows need 50%, and I guess I was lucky that they let my pass with a tolerance of 1% less for the front windscreen. sweat.gif




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post Jul 12 2016, 02:07 PM

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Go Puspakom to get B5 or B7 > buy Moto Insurance dated to your ownership transfer date > go JPJ > do thumb print scanning [ biometrics to verify yourself that you are not an Alien ] > pay the new roadtax & rm100 for OT.

The former owner can also apply for rebates for his cancel roadtax on the spot by providing his/her Banking Details if the Roadtax is not tranferred to the new owner. Usually the new owner will opt for a new RT to coincide with his new Insurance purchase date for 1 year.

I just did an OT this morning & I am the buyer of a used car via Mudah


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post Jul 12 2016, 08:49 PM

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QUOTE(Galaxy Angel @ Jul 12 2016, 08:34 PM)
I have another questio,, I am about buying second hand car with hire purchase loan from public bank, is it compulsory to buy insurance from bank itself? Or can I buy outside?
Also I notice that public bank will ask borrower to buy hire purchase life as wel.. And they said is a must..... Anyone managed to buy insurance from public bank but didn't buy hire purchase life?

Hope all sifu can share your point of view thanks again
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Yes, some finance hse will "force" you to buy insurance product from them.

Normal la.......try nego but if its a must , you have no choice , else they wont approve the loan.

Btw, how much they charge you interest for the loan ? any "football money" or admin fee needed ?

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post Jul 12 2016, 08:54 PM

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QUOTE(Galaxy Angel @ Jul 12 2016, 08:52 PM)
Sure  . Will do thanks Ya . 
Hope anyone success get their loan but without buying the life insurance can share. .
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Btw, how much they charge you interest for the loan ? any "football money" or admin fee needed ?
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post Jul 12 2016, 09:06 PM

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QUOTE(Galaxy Angel @ Jul 12 2016, 08:55 PM)
Interest 4 percents loan for 40k, 7 year .
Ownership ship transfer plus runner fees total RM 445 .... 
I believe this is their admin fees
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The 4% is simple interest ? mean (4 x 7 ) x 40 k ?

RM455 is okay compared to some used car agent that charges abt rm2000


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post Jul 13 2016, 12:59 PM

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QUOTE(Galaxy Angel @ Jul 13 2016, 11:19 AM)
Dear all sifu:

I have another question about car insurance.

My old car will be sell and will get second hand car, I wish to transfer my old car NCD (55%) to second hand car, understood I will need to withdraw the NCD from my old car to second hand car, question is only withdraw NCD or cancel insurance?

Means old car insurance will still active just without the NCD (means let it auto expiry), or I can just cancel the old car insurance and 55% NCD will auto transfer to my second hand car? As withdraw NCD and cancel insurance is 2 difference thing. I am worry if cancel insurance, then will not entitle 55% NCD for my second hand car insurance.

Hope all sifu can share your expertise.
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Simple, this was what I did.

My "old" car have NCB of 55% , when I bought the new insurance for this "new" car, I withdrew my 55% NCB to be used in this new car insurance purchase.

So you may ask me how abt the "old" car's insurance & NCB ?

In my case , I will still keep my "old" car, and I just need to repay the balance of my old car insurance tenure [ which is abt 2mths ] of the difference of the NCB being withdrew. eg if the NCB when I bought the insurance of this "old" car was rm1000, I need to refund them the 3 mths of the rm1000. I duno how they calculate but they will knoe how to do it eventually.

If you decides to sell your old car, just cancel that insurance & you dun have to refund the NCB back to them and the new buyer of your old ar will need to purchase a new insurance premium then.


Can understand ?

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post Jul 13 2016, 02:03 PM

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QUOTE(Galaxy Angel @ Jul 13 2016, 01:27 PM)
Dear Digilife:

Thanks for the explaination, fFully understood.

Because the bank agent told me to withdraw NCD, not cancel, that time I not clear why can not just cancel as I no need to pay them back, after searching around, I think the reason bank agent ask for withdraw NCD not cancel cos if direct cancel, will need to go JPJ cancel the road tax first only then insurance company can proceed to cancel insurance. May be they don't want running 2 times to JPJ (cos transfer ownership is the last things to do and will need to JPJ again). Am I right?
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Withdraw is the easiest, mine withdraw & buy new Insurance with the 55% NCB & refund the difference of the old car NCB , less than 30mins can do at the insurance ofis cause the NCB status can be seen online by them.

Ownership transfer at JPJ via biometric [ thumb print scanning ] takes less than 15mins if you early at 8.30 at JPJ if seller & buyer go together [ my case ]
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post Jul 19 2016, 08:13 PM

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QUOTE(laith @ Jul 19 2016, 07:45 PM)
Does anyone have any idea, how to identify whether the current owner has completed the loan repayment based on the car registration card itself? Thanks.
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Usually you can see on the bottom part of the current Car Registration Card [ not a card actually, its a 90g paper actually ] the Finance company name printed there.

And if its fully settle by the current registered owner, it will either stamped with " Hakmilik Dibatalkan " or " Dibatalkan oleh System "

But then again, in my case it was not even stamp with either of the chop as stated above although my previous owner have fully settled his pymt 2 years ago.

The finance co that he took out the finance have already link the status with JPJ system & it was automatically " BiBatalkan oleh System " when he settled the loan.

Anyway, if the loan is not settled, ownership transfer cannot be performed.

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post Aug 7 2016, 08:19 AM

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QUOTE(laith @ Jul 19 2016, 09:03 PM)
I see, i am same case as yours too. Thanks for the information.
I may need your further advice as well.
I have a car with 25% NCB otd, and now I'm buying second car from a foreigner by cash. He has done the B5 inspection.
I have ready the cash.

1.Do i need to buy the insurance for the second car upfront before the ownership transfer date ? Or it can be done after the transfer process since the road tax is ended on Feb next year?

2. When is the best time to do the NCB transfer from an old car to second car, before or after the ownership transfer?

3. Might be a silly question. I have paid the deposit to secure the deal.When should i pay the balance? Before or after the car ownership transfer at JPJ?

4. After the ownership transfer, if i realize that there are outstanding summons from the previous owner (regardless from pdrm or city council), will i have to settle by myself who is the current owner?
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Sorry for my late reply cause too busy & neglected this thread........

Anyway these is wat I am aware of as at now

1) Usually you need to purchase the insurance before you go for OT, else JPJ will not process the OT. Roadtax , you might be able to use back the seller's RT if he agrees but in my case I opt not to use the seller's existing valid RT cause I want the RT start date same with my Insurance date, if not I will have problem when his RT expires & I need purchase extension of my Insurance when his RT expires & that would be messy in calculation & I might need to pay more cause for extension insurance coverage calculation are always higher in pro rated calculation.......

2) Just withdraw the NCB from the old car to be used on the new car insurance purchase when you purchase the new car insurance but take note that you need to refund the old car NCB too. This is only worthwhile if the difference on savings is big. My case ~ the refund for the withdraw on the old car insurance is rm70 [ 2 mths bal of the insurance tenure of a third party fire & theft policy ] & NCB deduction for the new car is rm600 [ Comprehensive policy ]

3) My case, after the OT in front of the JPJ officer, I pay the seller the Cashiers Order [ bank draft ] on the spot. { prior purchase of the CO for the balance of the agreed sale price minus the deposit }

4) I am not too sure on this , however I was told any summon will follow the registered owner during the saman was issued not the car, meaning any summon unpaid, the owner will have to be responsible because the saman date will determine who is the ownership of the said vehicle. But usually if you have unpaid outstanding saman, JPJ will block the OT. Just do a simple sale purchase letter to be signed by yourself, seller & a witness on the purchase date just incase this might prove to be useful incase needed.



QUOTE(Woon Ann @ Jul 28 2016, 01:45 AM)
YEAH!! I met car dealer charging for RM2000 for my old car plate transfer to the new car.
If wanna ask for new number then 3k for normal number. Special number add on money.

So is it possible if I buy car from them then get to done by myself or maybe ask for a cheaper price/runner?
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Usually a runner does this, but if you want to save cost, enquire from JPJ or a Runner [ usually a Runner work for a used car co but some Runner can help you do it and you pay them personally ]

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QUOTE(jimmychangas @ Sep 17 2016, 10:30 PM)
Hi guys. I am about to purchase a used car from a direct owner. As both me and the seller don't have any experience in doing this, I would like to seek advice from the sifus here.

Here's the plan:

I'll apply for a loan for this purchase. In the meantime the seller will take the car for a service inspection just to make sure the parts and components in the car are given the clean bill of health.

Once my loan is approved, the seller will then send the car over to Puspakom for a B5 and B7 inspection. Because the car has a non-JPJ compliant window tint installed, the seller will remove them before heading down to Puspakom.

Once inspection is passed, the documents will be submitted to the bank and the loan will be disbursed. And finally, both me and the seller will head down to JPJ and execute the name transfer process.

Question is, how long does it take for the bank to disburse the loan once Puspakom documents are submitted? Also, is there anything I've missed out in this plan?

Looking forward to the sifus' advice. Thanks in advance!
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Much of it already covered by you, abt the loan approval once you submitted the B5 & B7 you need ask your loan provider & I believe it should be fast [ nowadays loan approval is very fast if you are qualified ~ you get wat I mean ? ] but some loan provider insist you to use their runner to do the JPJ part which would be around rm200 for runner fee on top of the rm150 JPJ ownership transfer fee. Nego with them for the arrangemnent.......
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QUOTE(powercolor @ Sep 20 2016, 08:01 PM)
quick question or need help i might add ... how to change ownership of the car, if the owner is no longer in malaysia ( going back to home country ), but i have been taking over the loan payment for more than a year ... any advice ??
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That would be troublesome, get advice from a Runner Service Provider.


QUOTE(holoman @ Sep 21 2016, 01:54 PM)
guys , normally what is the procedure to sell car to USED CAR DEALER

loan left 6,500  , sell price agreed by both parties Rm21,500

dealer ask me to get copy of geran - > bring car to their shop -> puspkom inspection
once everything done , they will handover cheque

is it the correct way ? for inspection , take 1 day only right ?
and for cheque , once i hand over my car , i'll straight away receive my cheque is it ?

one more question , for full settlement , normally , shop will make payment and deduct from total amount or i need to do it myself ?
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Inspection is fast, can be done within a few hours , mine was done in less than 2 hrs, no runner, self drive.

It depends on who is the buyer of your car cause even though they give you a cheque, its not necessary that that cheque will not bounce, I am talking about the precautions & worst case scenario.

For my case, I bought the car from a private seller, I prepare a Cashier's Order from my bank one day before the ownership transfer, buy the required vehicle insurance from my insurer and on the OT day, once the OT was done over the JPJ counter [ rm100.00 fee to JPJ ] I gave the CO to the seller & we shake hands. The CO is as good as Cash just that its a more secure way of handling money.


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QUOTE(csneo @ Oct 23 2016, 06:25 PM)
i will like to purchase a second vehicle from second hand car dealer
cash price 49k but loan price 52K
1. why there is different between cash and loan price?
2. They charged
    name transfer RM 375
    Puspakom RM 250 
    Invoice for RM 850 ( what is this for? )
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1) rm52k-rm49k = rm3k ~ standard fee when you buy from a used car company, if not their Salesman eat grass ?

2) Those are "admin & runner fee"

Unless you buy from a "private seller" , else most used car co will charge you Item 1 + Item 2 or either 1.

Its a standard industry practice.




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QUOTE(Left4Dead2 @ Oct 30 2016, 04:32 PM)
Want to ask, can i sent my car for inspection to Puspakom first without buyer (cash) there ?

The SOP is ~ Seller send the car to Puspakom to get certified & once passed the Cert will be valid for 30days. If you do not do any Ownership within the 30days, you need get another certification when you want to do OT later.

Buyer from different state, may not available. Or we both must be go Puspakom together ?

That cert can be used to do OT all over the JPJ's in MY

First time seller, noob abit  notworthy.gif

And Saturday (Cheras branch), many people ?

Usually Sat will have less ppl compared to normal days.........

Got any runner here ? Charge how much ?

Why feed those runners when you can do it yourself

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post Nov 13 2016, 06:53 AM

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QUOTE(Left4Dead2 @ Oct 31 2016, 07:56 AM)
Thanks, about insurance how ? Since mine going expired Dec soon. Do i just let it go ?

I heard can transfer NCD to new car ?
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Just transfer the NCD to the new car & refund that balance of 2 mths of the NCD to to the insurer & you would have saved much.

QUOTE(narutokun83 @ Nov 13 2016, 03:17 AM)
Hi there,

My grandfather owns a car but unfortunately he has passed on. I'm thinking of selling it as it is just sitting under the sun and there are people inquiring about us selling it. He didn't put in his will who does the car belongs to. Is there a way to transfer the ownership to me?
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The Ownership Transfer can actually be done, First you need to get the Dead Cert of your Grandfather and then do the OT to the closest next of kind, I believe its best you go enquire from JPJ the complete procedure..........

If you ask Runner to do it, they will quote you a bomb of a price.............
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QUOTE(narutokun83 @ Nov 13 2016, 05:06 PM)
Thanks, heard from alot of friends and relatives that its a tedious process but whatever i can get for the car... its better than letting it rust and being an eyesore to the neighborhood.
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Yes, agreed.

Btw, what car is that ? care to share some details or via PM
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post Dec 6 2016, 12:09 PM

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QUOTE(Ze_Quesr @ Dec 6 2016, 11:28 AM)
im lost at steps 8.. the car insurance part.

how much is it to buy insurance, and from whom and where? someone help me?

say, the car im getting is 1.8L
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If you are a current car owner, just go to your current insurer and they can help you out, if not just contact any online Motor Vehicle Insurer , google pls.

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