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post Oct 13 2011, 10:07 AM

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i been wondering what did he do ? simply accusing someone as cheat ?
don't tell me he took their money and ran away but he don't seem to run away from problem . Usually cheaters will be in the short run and ran away with the money but seems like this Michael still talk terms with his client. i think must be one or two provocateur who made it look like scam. Will see.
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post Oct 13 2011, 10:12 AM

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Somehow, the case will gone quiet as of others
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post Oct 13 2011, 10:19 AM

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QUOTE(hackwire @ Oct 13 2011, 10:07 AM)
i been wondering what did he do ? simply accusing someone as cheat ?
don't tell me he took  their money and ran away but he don't seem to run away from problem . Usually cheaters will be in the short run and ran away with the money but seems like this Michael still talk terms with his client. i think must be one or two provocateur who made it look like scam. Will see.
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not neccessary ran away, any scam business, PPIM or police will come after you, and black list the company.
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post Oct 13 2011, 10:45 AM

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QUOTE(jebatt @ Oct 13 2011, 10:03 AM)
real smart + greddy...if just smart, can get away if he can pooled 50mill and be invisible.. flex.gif
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still get caught.. not so smart
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post Oct 13 2011, 11:33 AM

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A bit surprise to read the news as I almost signed up for his seminar last week, took the credit card out and last minute back off.

Whew.........


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post Oct 13 2011, 11:35 AM

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QUOTE(KLsooner @ Oct 13 2011, 11:33 AM)
A bit surprise to read the news as I almost signed up for his seminar last week, took the credit card out and last minute back off.

Whew.........
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Good moved bro thumbup.gif
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post Oct 13 2011, 11:45 AM

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Read his articles, mostly its general knowledge.. Anyone knows what he shares in his seminars can share here ?
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post Oct 13 2011, 11:58 AM

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he has not many properties, he started invest after attended Milan Doshi seminar few years ago, and also apply the same concept in his seminar, but he's good in presentation, i think he make more money from conduct seminar rather than property investment.
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post Oct 13 2011, 12:04 PM

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QUOTE(twincharger07 @ Oct 13 2011, 10:45 AM)
still get caught.. not so smart
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He is smart by getting people to pass him their hard earned money. How many of us are able to do that? Every investment has success story and failed story....but "smart" investors will not fall into the trap unless those "greedy" and "stupid" investors who believe there is "big frog" jumping everywhere on the street.

So, when they (the investors) make money, they happily spend their money and claim that how smart they are in their investment but when failed, they tried to get their money back by accusing it is scam and etc etc. Dont they see it at the first place? I went to many such events where the organizer give away some free holiday packages when we attend their talks and slowly they want to persuade us to join them such as vending machine and etc etc. They even can arrange us to get loan for such investment. When we refuse to join them but just want to get the gifts, their face all turn black black..... biggrin.gif
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post Oct 13 2011, 12:20 PM

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FROM UTUSAN :

CRTF Membongkar Skim tipu jual mesin
Written by Administrator
Pasukan Bertindak Hak Pengguna PPIM Mula Mengorak Langkah Proaktif Membongkar Skim tipu jual mesin
Oleh MOHD. KHUZAIRI ISMAIL
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KUALA LUMPUR 9 Okt. – Satu skim penipuan perniagaan mesin layan diri (vending machine) yang melibatkan kerugian ratusan juta ringgit berjaya ditumpaskan menerusi penangkapan seorang lelaki di Petaling Jaya dekat sini semalam.

Kegiatan penipuan itu dibongkar hasil maklumat yang diperoleh Persatuan Pengguna Islam Malaysia (PPIM) selepas kira-kira setahun mengumpul bukti dan maklumat daripada kira-kira 1,600 individu yang menjadi mangsa skim berkenaan.



Dalam serbuan semalam, PPIM dengan kerjasama polis memberkas lelaki yang dipercayai salah seorang dalang utama skim penipuan itu ketika memberi ceramah di sebuah hotel.

Pegawai Kerja PPIM, Mustafa Hamzah berkata, dalam serbuan itu juga 30 mangsa penipuan skim tersebut meminta supaya suspek memulangkan semula wang mereka sehingga berlaku pergaduhan kecil.


“Suspek akhirnya mengaku bahawa beliau bertanggungjawab serta sedang berusaha untuk memulangkan wang yang dituntut mangsa,” dakwanya di sini hari ini.


Mustafa menambah, PPIM kemudiannya menghubungi Ibu Pejabat Polis Daerah Petaling Jaya yang menghantar anggota untuk menahan suspek bagi siasatan lanjut.

Katanya, mangsa dikatakan ditipu supaya membeli beberapa jenis mesin layan diri Matkiosk (mesin serbaguna), Waterdrop (air) dan ‘kiddie ride’ (alat permainan kanak-kanak).

Menurutnya, modus operandi skim itu adalah dengan menjanjikan keuntungan setiap bulan kepada pelabur yang membeli mesin itu, namun tidak pernah dibayar.



Setiap mesin layan diri itu katanya, dijual dengan harga serendah RM18,000 dengan ada di kalangan pelabur yang membeli beberapa mesin berbeza membabitkan nilai sehingga RM100,000.

Berikutan penangkapan suspek itu juga, Mustafa menyeru orang ramai yang menjadi mangsa kepada penipuan skim perniagaan mesin layan diri itu tampil memberi maklumat kepada pertubuhan itu.

Sementara itu, Ketua Polis Daerah Petaling Jaya, Asisten Komisioner Arjunaidi Mohamed ketika dihubungi mengesahkan seorang lelaki ditahan dalam kejadian itu kerana dipercayai terlibat dalam skim penipuan perniagaan.

-CRTF OFFICER

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post Oct 13 2011, 12:33 PM

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QUOTE(KLsooner @ Oct 13 2011, 11:33 AM)
A bit surprise to read the news as I almost signed up for his seminar last week, took the credit card out and last minute back off.

Whew.........
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You went to his seminar in UEM Academy last week is it? Me too...only thing that differentiate between you and me is that i did paid the fees... icon_question.gif Hopefully his fellow collegues at Freemen still conduct the seminar. sad.gif
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post Oct 13 2011, 12:35 PM

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QUOTE(mankibon @ Oct 13 2011, 01:33 PM)
You went to his seminar in UEM Academy last week is it? Me too...only thing that differentiate between you and me is that i did paid the fees... icon_question.gif  Hopefully his fellow collegues at Freemen still conduct the seminar. sad.gif
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how much is the seminar cost?
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post Oct 13 2011, 12:45 PM

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QUOTE(sampool @ Oct 13 2011, 12:35 PM)
how much is the seminar cost?
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RM36++. Paid into 12 months zero interest instalment plan using cc.
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post Oct 13 2011, 01:25 PM

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QUOTE(mankibon @ Oct 13 2011, 12:45 PM)
RM36++. Paid into 12 months zero interest instalment plan using cc.
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what makes you want to attend the seminar? why cant you just buy some books?
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post Oct 13 2011, 01:31 PM

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i don't understand about the scam. if the investor purchase the water machine to earn some big buck from the public, the deal is legal right?

i mean they buy the machine and the machine accept coins. So if their location is in the jungle serving monkeys some fresh water, what sort of crime is this? u can't sell water to monkeys right?

i saw the star paper and there was this woman together with him call juanita, is she apprehended as well?



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post Oct 13 2011, 01:38 PM

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QUOTE(katijar @ Oct 13 2011, 01:25 PM)
what makes you want to attend the seminar? why cant you just buy some books?
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Of course i did invest in books. It's just that when i went to his seminar, i get overly excited to know more on how to invest in property with little money. He showed us some young chaps whom have acheived multi millions worth of properties in short period of time.
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post Oct 13 2011, 01:40 PM

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QUOTE(hackwire @ Oct 13 2011, 01:31 PM)
i don't understand about the scam. if the investor purchase the water machine to earn some big buck from the public, the deal is legal right?

i mean they buy the machine and the machine accept coins. So if their location is in the jungle serving monkeys some fresh water, what sort of crime is this? u can't sell water to monkeys right?

i saw the star paper and there was this woman together with him call juanita, is she apprehended as well?
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I believe this is not scam but just a business transaction. When the return of investment is not good, the investors want to get back their money but failed, so, they called it scam. All this is willing seller, willing buyer.

I have attended some of the invitation to listen to their talks and invitation to invest but i just refused to join as i cant see how i can get good money from this investment. There is one machine which i think may be will generate good income if position at a good location, but according to their rules, you will get into a pool of 50 machines and share the total profits/loss of that 50 machines. so, even if you get the best profits, but you will have to share out with others and you totally have no control on the account of others which may be controlled and you end up no profits.

The machine i mentioned is a machine where you can use it to deposit money, pay bills, reload phone cards, etc etc. They said it is famous and everywhere in Japan. But the cost of investment is not cheap.....Another one is "kiddie ride". I also become a victim by wasting time and fuel to go attend their invitation... rclxub.gif


Added on October 13, 2011, 1:43 pm
QUOTE(mankibon @ Oct 13 2011, 01:38 PM)
Of course i did invest in books. It's just that when i went to his seminar, i get overly excited to know more on how to invest in property with little money. He showed us some young chaps whom have acheived multi millions worth of properties in short period of time.
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I never know it is so easy to make money from young chap as all are greedy and want to get rich fast and easy. At the end pay thousands to listen to some bullsxxx which may sound logic in one way or another. hmm.gif I also can grab some good examples of young chap who has made tons of $$$ investing in share, investing in properties, investing in forex, investing in gold, investing in comodities, but i never show you how many get their fingers burnt.... tongue.gif You wanna pay me 3600++ for this???

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post Oct 13 2011, 01:54 PM

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I think the businesses are not illegal by itself, but to collect $ from the public u need some licence from bank negara. As we all know m'laysia has a lot of regulations, there might be some other permits he missed out on eg frm kementerian perdagangan, majlis perbandaran etc. He's gonna get tied up for running against these bureaucratic webs.
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QUOTE(mrPOTATO @ Oct 13 2011, 01:54 PM)
I think the businesses are not illegal by itself, but to collect $ from the public u need some licence from bank negara. As we all know m'laysia has a lot of regulations, there might be some other permits he missed out on eg frm kementerian perdagangan, majlis perbandaran etc. He's gonna get tied up for running against these bureaucratic webs.
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Some of the companies i went, they claimed that they are listed in msia under those ACE Market...but i never bother go to check as not going to part my money to them. Actual fact is no money to be parted... tongue.gif
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post Oct 13 2011, 02:44 PM

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Cheated ppl definately no good lah... no matter what the smart way he use... i know they are some ppl open trading company like this and become kaya... some goreng property and some goreng gold as their side income only.... once the market HOT... ppl come in pool and hope for lubang, "this time is different" attitude.... but is trap in their so call "investment"... i can said this is a social problem.

http://www.horlic.com/3-property-millionai...-within-1-year/

my 2 cents.

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