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 Nokia N9 - V02 - [Fluidity King For Nokia], Let~~~ SWIPE~~~ all~~~ the~~~ way~~~

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post Nov 2 2011, 03:25 PM

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QUOTE(KennyKB @ Nov 2 2011, 11:14 AM)
But it's not dumped by manufacturers or developers yet. Nokia has said they will provide updates for a few years and apps are being developed for N9. The long term prospect for Meego continuity is dim as Elop has announced no more Meego phone. But I doubt consumers look that far ahead. All they want is a good phone to last maybe 2 years before they upgrade.
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Not dumped by manufacturers yet...
Should be soon once the WP7 takes effect in Nokia.
And once it happens you'll know how important it is to have the renegade developers I'm talking.
After N900 reached EOL these developers are the one who kept N900 in actions by providing fixes & updating functions.With this aegis restriction it'll be very hard to reproduce of community updates.

QUOTE(ViRaViRa @ Nov 2 2011, 12:10 PM)
How did u do that?
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This hack was discovered with N950 initially.
Dig up MeeGo forum.Kinda surprised it took you guys this long to discover this hack.
The last time I heard this hack people were commenting that there are some bugs when icons rotates & rearrange itself?
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Siri announce,the world:wow!!this is something new!!
shakehead.gif sweat.gif sweat.gif new??symbian user tried vlingo years ago..undoubtedly apple marketing is best of mobile phone industry.
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QUOTE(nicholasbeh @ Nov 2 2011, 03:38 PM)
Siri announce,the world:wow!!this is something new!!
shakehead.gif  sweat.gif  sweat.gif new??symbian user tried vlingo years ago..undoubtedly apple marketing is best of mobile phone industry.
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Siri: Why are you guys keep on undermining me?

Yes,but to be honest The AI behind Siri is a lot better than competitor.
It may not be much useful for phones but maybe it'll be useful for AppleTV.

Gesture & voice control with Microsoft's Kinect is great IMHO.

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QUOTE(super_evil_alien @ Nov 2 2011, 03:25 PM)
Not dumped by manufacturers yet...
Should be soon once the WP7 takes effect in Nokia.
And once it happens you'll know how important it is to have the renegade developers I'm talking.
After N900 reached EOL these developers are the one who kept N900 in actions by providing fixes & updating functions.With this aegis restriction it'll be very hard to reproduce  of community updates.
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PR_1.1 for tune-ups and bug fixes is about to be released and PR_1.2 with new features is at an advanced stage so N9 users are at least assured of these 2 updates. Beyond that I won't worry too much. In comparison most Android users only get one os update from the manufacturer.

As for apps there's a good chance renegade (enthusiast) developers will keep the platform alive just like they kept N900 alive. So think positive and get your N9 soon. thumbup.gif Andy will be getting one as soon as he clears his tax. tongue.gif

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Anybody tried the firefox mobile 10 beta? Ok or not?

Cute tube not bad. Download, upload also can, very convenient.

Wifi is ok, since the router is upstairs. When downstairs still can detect. At shopping mall, MCD is downstairs, i one floor up, can detect & surf. E6 still better though, same place 2 bar, N9 1 bar.

Typing on virtual keyboard can never be as smooth as physical keypad. Nokia better not stop producing qwerty/slider phones, it's one of the few reason general public still choose Nokia

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QUOTE(super_evil_alien @ Nov 2 2011, 03:25 PM)
Not dumped by manufacturers yet...
This hack was discovered with N950 initially.
Dig up MeeGo forum.Kinda surprised it took you guys this long to discover this hack.
The last time I heard this hack people were commenting that there are some bugs when icons rotates & rearrange itself?
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Ya bro....did notice some bug....when it start rotating landscape or portrait....sometime the home icons didn't appear....but when swipe to other home....the icon appear back

anybody else notice this?

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QUOTE(eaglehelang @ Nov 2 2011, 04:02 PM)
Anybody tried the firefox mobile 10 beta? Ok or not?

Cute tube not bad. Download, upload also can, very convenient.

Wifi is ok, since the router is upstairs. When downstairs still can detect.  At shopping mall, MCD is downstairs, i one floor up, can detect & surf. E6 still better though, same place 2 bar, N9 1 bar.
 
Typing on virtual keyboard can never be as smooth as physical keypad. Nokia better not stop producing qwerty/slider phones, it's one of the few reason general public still choose Nokia
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Are u using 3G or WiFi for CuteTube? Mine, cant see the videos at all.
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QUOTE(super_evil_alien @ Nov 2 2011, 03:42 PM)
Siri: Why are you guys keep on undermining me?

Yes,but to be honest The AI behind Siri is a lot better than competitor.
It may not be much useful for phones but maybe it'll be useful for AppleTV.

Gesture & voice control with Microsoft's Kinect is great IMHO.
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Yes, the AI is better, but the AI mostly likely not newly develop, it could be taken or bought over from somewhere or at least the algorithm or structure/foundation. Just like Chess game, you don't have to develop from scratch, there're algorithm for it, developing from scratch can be very tough and many logic to consider, one of my college project was doing local version chess (Agong, Bendahara, etc) and the chess piece logic is different, but I face problem with to get the game working as I have to write my own algorithm and logic. Luckily it was not required, just need to provide the concept and can work in basic can already.

As for SIRI, there was AI chat bot since long ago, nowadays Chat Bot are way smarter and better, if you played with them, SIRI is nothing really; SIRI still falls behind but it's because SIRI needs to be more "educated" and "controlled", hahaha.

QUOTE(eaglehelang @ Nov 2 2011, 04:02 PM)
Anybody tried the firefox mobile 10 beta? Ok or not?

Cute tube not bad. Download, upload also can, very convenient.

Wifi is ok, since the router is upstairs. When downstairs still can detect.  At shopping mall, MCD is downstairs, i one floor up, can detect & surf. E6 still better though, same place 2 bar, N9 1 bar.
 
Typing on virtual keyboard can never be as smooth as physical keypad. Nokia better not stop producing qwerty/slider phones, it's one of the few reason general public still choose Nokia
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Firefox quite resource heavy, but it supports multi-tab, history, bookmarks, settings and plugins.

You paid for CuteTube? What about mediaDownloader?
N900 also have CuteTube but it's free.


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QUOTE(drexar @ Nov 2 2011, 04:26 PM)
Are u using 3G or WiFi for CuteTube? Mine, cant see the videos at all.
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only test 1 time using wifi, just got my N9 yesterday. Can play & download, auto saved to videos folder in mp4 format. Upload, i test only, can jalan, i cancel, didnt upload finish.
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My existing phonebook are sorted by surname; have been playing with N9 demo set and noticed that it arrange contacts by given name. Are we able to customize and sort by surname?
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QUOTE(KennyKB @ Nov 2 2011, 03:48 PM)
PR_1.1 for tune-ups and bug fixes is about to be released and PR_1.2 with new features is at an advanced stage so N9 users are at least assured of these 2 updates. Beyond that I won't worry too much. In comparison most Android users only get one os update from the manufacturer.

As for apps there's a good chance renegade (enthusiast) developers will keep the platform alive just like they kept N900 alive. So think positive and get your N9 soon.  thumbup.gif Andy will be getting one as soon as he clears his tax.  tongue.gif
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It's good if Nokia do include new features in PR updates for N9.That's more than they every did for N900.
Generally Android device do only get single version update but with that update. they get bunch of new features.
Can Nokia deliver the same thing? I sure hope so.

Unless the aegis thing sorted out I won't be getting N9.I need easy debian & other cool stuff I had with my N900.

QUOTE(eaglehelang @ Nov 2 2011, 04:02 PM)
Anybody tried the firefox mobile 10 beta? Ok or not?

Cute tube not bad. Download, upload also can, very convenient.

Wifi is ok, since the router is upstairs. When downstairs still can detect.  At shopping mall, MCD is downstairs, i one floor up, can detect & surf. E6 still better though, same place 2 bar, N9 1 bar.
 
Typing on virtual keyboard can never be as smooth as physical keypad. Nokia better not stop producing qwerty/slider phones, it's one of the few reason general public still choose Nokia
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Love cutetube from my time with N900.One of the 1st proper app written with QML for N900.

IMHO the best qwerty product so far from Nokia is the N950 but sadly it's not released for public.Weird thing is N950 is getting more software support from Nokia now.ipv6 stack just released for N950.

QUOTE(arsaa @ Nov 2 2011, 04:15 PM)
Ya bro....did notice some bug....when it start rotating landscape or portrait....sometime the home icons didn't appear....but when swipe to other home....the icon appear back

anybody else notice this?
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Try dig up the initial thread about this hack & ask others help to resolve this bug so the transition can be smoother.
But since the main UI is closed sourced it'll be bit hard to dig deeper into this.

QUOTE(Andy214 @ Nov 2 2011, 04:41 PM)
Yes, the AI is better, but the AI mostly likely not newly develop, it could be taken or bought over from somewhere or at least the algorithm or structure/foundation. Just like Chess game, you don't have to develop from scratch, there're algorithm for it, developing from scratch can be very tough and many logic to consider, one of my college project was doing local version chess (Agong, Bendahara, etc) and the chess piece logic is different, but I face problem with to get the game working as I have to write my own algorithm and logic. Luckily it was not required, just need to provide the concept and can work in basic can already.

As for SIRI, there was AI chat bot since long ago, nowadays Chat Bot are way smarter and better, if you played with them, SIRI is nothing really; SIRI still falls behind but it's because SIRI needs to be more "educated" and "controlled", hahaha.
Firefox quite resource heavy, but it supports multi-tab, history, bookmarks, settings and plugins.

You paid for CuteTube? What about mediaDownloader?
N900 also have CuteTube but it's free.
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Well SIRI was initially meant to be used by DARPA right?
Also SIRI was developed for a long time which is why the AI is better than regular voice recognition product.
Yeah,logic is the hardest thing to implement in chess.Some of my lecturers are doing chess programming during their spare time too.Quite complex.

Firefox...It promised many things but so far it failed me in MeeGo,MeeGo Harmattan,Maemo & Android.Somehow the app simply use too much of resource,hangs once in while & lags.Mozilla should try to improve these things first instead of just fast update of core firefox system.
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QUOTE(eaglehelang @ Nov 2 2011, 04:50 PM)
only test 1 time using wifi, just got my N9 yesterday. Can play & download, auto saved to videos folder in mp4 format. Upload, i test only, can jalan, i cancel, didnt upload finish.
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Hmm I think CuteTube can only be used with WiFi connections only.. Tried so many times over 3G sad.gif
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Andy, cute tube is paid app from ovi store like the symbian you tube downloader - RM4. More features and user friendly than youtube downloader. You all really have it good during N900 leh. The part i like is any prob can direct feedback to the developer in maemo forum.
Media downloader i see the price is RM2. What's the function? So far cute tube is the only paid app i got

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QUOTE(kiasunkiasi @ Nov 2 2011, 05:16 PM)
My existing phonebook are sorted by surname; have been playing with N9 demo set and noticed that it arrange contacts by given name. Are we able to customize and sort by surname?
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Can show by:
1. First name - Last name
2. Last name - First name

This is not sorting, but display/show; either you sort of first or last name. You can do this in Settings --> Applications --> Contacts.

I prefer Maemo, there is show/display nickname, so I can display the name I want (if not specified it will use the firstt name - last name).
This should be able to be added easily, but maybe need to submit this suggestion to Nokia.

There's some book for Contacts, Calendar, ToDo transfer/sync; After I clear off the contacts, toDo, etc. I try sync again, it won't transfer again although it's been removed? I also set it to sync and use data on my N900, but it just wouldn't. Somehow it's not really cleaned/removed?


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QUOTE(eaglehelang @ Nov 2 2011, 05:31 PM)
Andy, cute tube is paid app from ovi store like the symbian you tube downloader - RM4. More features and user friendly than youtube downloader. You all really have it good during N900 leh. The part i like is any prob can direct feedback to the developer in maemo forum.
Media downloader i see the price is RM2. What's the function? So far cute tube is the only paid app i got
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Thanks, CuteTube is worth it if you download a lot; I use to download using Symbian youTube downloader; Used to do it in Maemo's CuteTube, but YouTube downloader it can download the quality based on the available quality for that video, while CuteTube is you define in settings. CuteTube is much nicer to use, can find videos easier and visit the user's page, etc.
I have downloaded the CuteTube free version for N9 before it went to the OVI Store, but it's not working properly and can't download videos, hehe. tongue.gif

Not sure about mediaDownloader, previously read that it's capable of downloading videos from few sites.


Added on November 2, 2011, 5:48 pm
QUOTE(super_evil_alien @ Nov 2 2011, 05:27 PM)
Well SIRI was initially meant to be used by DARPA right?
Also SIRI was developed for a long time which is why the AI is better than regular voice recognition product.
Yeah,logic is the hardest thing to implement in chess.Some of my lecturers are doing chess programming during their spare time too.Quite complex.

Firefox...It promised many things but so far it failed me in MeeGo,MeeGo Harmattan,Maemo & Android.Somehow the app simply use too much of resource,hangs once in while & lags.Mozilla should try to improve these things first instead of just fast update of core firefox system.
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Didn't read/follow the history of SIRI, but comparing with other Chat Bot available, it's consider more serious type. Actually, I'm not referring to voice recognition, but the AI logic to response based on the input given. The voice recognition I suppose it's job is to translate the input accurately (e.g. when you say weather, it should accurately translate it as "weather"); As for the accuracy, I believe it the logic maybe more complicated as in it doesn't just make up word by word, if you make a sentence, even some word in the sentence it may translate wrongly, but the AI logic should be able to make it into a more logical word that make sense, so probably that's why it's able to be more accurate.

Firefox works better in N9 than N900, that's for sure tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Andy214 @ Nov 2 2011, 05:39 PM)
Can show by:
1. First name - Last name
2. Last name - First name

This is not sorting, but display/show; either you sort of first or last name. You can do this in Settings --> Applications --> Contacts.
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Thanks!
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QUOTE(super_evil_alien @ Nov 2 2011, 03:25 PM)
This hack was discovered with N950 initially.
Dig up MeeGo forum.Kinda surprised it took you guys this long to discover this hack.
The last time I heard this hack people were commenting that there are some bugs when icons rotates & rearrange itself?
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There is a landscape enabler app for N9 here:
http://my-meego.com/software/applications....q=13&fldAuto=39
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QUOTE(Andy214 @ Nov 2 2011, 05:39 PM)
Didn't read/follow the history of SIRI, but comparing with other Chat Bot available, it's consider more serious type. Actually, I'm not referring to voice recognition, but the AI logic to response based on the input given. The voice recognition I suppose it's job is to translate the input accurately (e.g. when you say weather, it should accurately translate it as "weather"); As for the accuracy, I believe it the logic maybe more complicated as in it doesn't just make up word by word, if you make a sentence, even some word in the sentence it may translate wrongly, but the AI logic should be able to make it into a more logical word that make sense, so probably that's why it's able to be more accurate.
Well, other than interpreting commands, SIRI uses Alpha Wolfram for general queries: Alpha Wolfram. I am not sure what are the techniques it uses in speech recognition.

And yes, chatbots have been around since 1960s, most famous being ELIZA. As with many AI technologies, they no longer seem magical once you know how they work. You get a clue of how the sentence parsing is done when you see how SIRI ask for clarification to some queries i.e. "I don't know what you mean by .....".
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For your info ovi store just updated tons of free stuff for your Nokia N9. Do check it out.
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QUOTE(drexar @ Nov 2 2011, 05:27 PM)
Hmm I think CuteTube can only be used with WiFi connections only.. Tried so many times over 3G sad.gif
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since you mention, i just tested with maxis 3G. Can play & download, no prob. I assume your sim card is 3G enabled? Settings need to be changed if switch from modem to mobile internet.

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Playback of Flac on the Nokia N9 is very smooth no lag at all.


Added on November 2, 2011, 6:54 pmCurrently using my ipad 2 to tether my data plan corporate line the battery of N9 can last 1 day connected


Added on November 2, 2011, 7:00 pmJust tested my Nokia N9 with cutetube works fine with WIFI and 3G connection

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