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post May 12 2012, 09:59 AM

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DUMC raid product of seven-month Jais probe, court hears

SHAH ALAM, May 11 β€” The raid on the Damansara Utama Methodist Church on August 3 last year was conducted after a seven-month investigation showed that there was evidence of proselytisation towards Muslims, the High Court here was told today.

Selangor Islamic Religious Department (Jais) director Datuk Marzuki Hussin said the investigation was carried out by Jais’ research and development department, and later referred to the enforcement division for further action.

Marzuki said he was informed about the raid by Jais chief assistant director (enforcement) by the name of Mohd Rais the next day.

To a question by lawyer Datuk Mohd Hafarizam Harun, Marzuki admitted that Jais informed the Selangor executive councillor in charge of Islamic affairs about the raid, but there was no mention of Umno in the report.

Marzuki was testifying on the second day hearing of the RM10 million defamation suit filed by Selangor Umno liaison committee secretary Datuk Seri Mohd Zin Mohamed against PAS secretary-general Datuk Mustafa Ali and three others in relation to the church raid.

The suit, filed on September 14 last year, named Mustafa, Harakah publisher Angkatan Edaran Ent Sdn Bhd, the paper’s editor Ahmad Lutfi Othman and reporter Khairul Azlam Mohamad as respondents.

In his statement of claim, Mohd Zin said Mustafa, in an interview with Khairul Azlan, had allegedly defamed Umno by accusing the party of playing a role in the raid in an article published between August 19 and 21, 2011.

When asked by lawyer Mohd Asmuni Awi, who represented Mustafa, whether he knew which church was involved in proselytising to Muslims, Marzuki said he had no knowledge about it.

Asked by lawyer Zulhazmi Shariff, who represented Angkatan Edaran, whether Jais officers were involved in any political party, the witness said none were to his knowledge.

When asked about his membership in political party, Marzuki said he is an Umno member, but insisted this had nothing to do with the church raid as he was carrying out his duty according to the law.

β€œAs government officers in the management and professional divisions, we are not allowed to be active in politics and cannot take sides and must remain neutral.

β€œWe cannot hold office in any political party, but we are not barred from joining any political party,” he said.

The hearing before Judicial Commissioner Datuk Ahmad Zaki Husin continues on June 14. β€” Bernama

http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysi...be-court-hears/
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post May 12 2012, 09:01 PM

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Selangor Islamic Religious Department (Jais) director Datuk Marzuki Hussin said the investigation was carried out by Jais’ research and development department, and later referred to the enforcement division for further action.
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Asked by lawyer Zulhazmi Shariff, who represented Angkatan Edaran, whether Jais officers were involved in any political party, the witness said none were to his knowledge.

When asked about his membership in political party, Marzuki said he is an Umno member, but insisted this had nothing to do with the church raid as he was carrying out his duty according to the law.
Didn't the two consecutive sentences contradict? How can he be a member of a political party, and yet not be involved in any political party?
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post May 13 2012, 07:21 AM

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QUOTE(seibwen @ Apr 11 2012, 09:10 PM)
Are you telling me the killing of Buddhist monks in Thailand is permissible in the name of Islam?

The buddhists in Thailand are unlike the Jews in Medina, they fought back when immigrants/separatists want to take over their country.

Remember the days when your prophet migrated to Medina and slaughtered the Jews (the aborigines)?

Please do the reading on the history of Pakistan-India because it was also an act of separatist similar to South Thailand conflict.
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Seibwen, you are so misled bro like you only ready Utusan Malaysia and watch TV3 news... you know what I mean. Why not you challenge the info that you have with Muslim side....

Peace bro..
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post May 13 2012, 11:26 PM

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QUOTE(seibwen @ Apr 11 2012, 09:10 PM)
Are you telling me the killing of Buddhist monks in Thailand is permissible in the name of Islam?

The buddhists in Thailand are unlike the Jews in Medina, they fought back when immigrants/separatists want to take over their country.

Remember the days when your prophet migrated to Medina and slaughtered the Jews (the aborigines)?

Please do the reading on the history of Pakistan-India because it was also an act of separatist similar to South Thailand conflict.
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South Thailand is nothing like the Jews in Medina. But it does bear a very striking similarity with the KLA. You know what happened in Kosovo ...
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post May 14 2012, 12:31 AM

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QUOTE(randyhow @ May 12 2012, 09:59 AM)
SHAH ALAM, May 11 β€” The raid on the Damansara Utama Methodist Church on August 3 last year was conducted after a seven-month investigation showed that there was evidence of proselytisation towards Muslims, the High Court here was told today.


And of course we are supposed to take their word for it? tongue.gif

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Marzuki said he was informed about the raid by Jais chief assistant director (enforcement) by the name of Mohd Rais the next day.


Raid today, tell your boss tomorrow. Nice one smile.gif

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In his statement of claim, Mohd Zin said Mustafa, in an interview with Khairul Azlan, had allegedly defamed Umno by accusing the party of playing a role in the raid in an article published between August 19 and 21, 2011.
And then blame it on UMNO lol

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When asked by lawyer Mohd Asmuni Awi, who represented Mustafa, whether he knew which church was involved in proselytising to Muslims, Marzuki said he had no knowledge about it.


Not that I'm saying this happened, but I was working in a company once when the boss told us to do something. It ended very badly, and then he said he didn't tell us to do it, we did it ourselves smile.gif

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post May 14 2012, 01:10 PM

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QUOTE(randyhow @ Oct 11 2011, 12:16 AM)
Does this mean Non-Muslim are not allowed to invite any Muslim to any Non-Islam event/dinner/gathering?... or do any Charity to any Muslim?

so muslim kenot go Christmas party, Deepavali celebration, non-muslim's marriage ceremony and funeral?

and muslim kenot accept any charity from non-muslim?
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that's not true. This is a high profile case. triggered by someone to give huge impact on how bad selangor administration could be.

For some reasons, there're occasions and event organized by non-muslim that muslim couldn't attend.

eg. any event done during jumaat prayers.

a lot of examples
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post May 14 2012, 02:08 PM

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QUOTE(shah_ho_nam2 @ May 14 2012, 01:10 PM)
that's not true. This is a high profile case. triggered by someone to give huge impact on how bad selangor administration could be.

For some reasons, there're occasions and event organized by non-muslim that muslim couldn't attend.

eg. any event done during jumaat prayers.

a lot of examples
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JAIS going to raid THOSE too?!!!
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post May 14 2012, 02:28 PM

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QUOTE(dkk @ May 12 2012, 09:01 PM)
Didn't the two consecutive sentences contradict? How can he be a member of a political party, and yet not be involved in any political party?
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Lol! nice one! must be ahli tidor...
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post May 14 2012, 05:57 PM

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QUOTE(dkk @ May 14 2012, 03:08 PM)
JAIS going to raid THOSE too?!!!
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males need to go to jumaat prayers no matter what.

same goes to people who didn't fasting during ramzan month.

when it's all about muslim doing wrong thing at the very wrong time. plus when someone is reporting, raid will come along.

btw, non-muslim won't be affected at all.
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post May 16 2012, 03:06 PM

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Had an incident a while back in uni (Penang some more..) where the HEP forbade muslims to attend a Chrismas gathering which was an annual event held by the Christian Fellowship Society. They issued a memo and I found it insulting to be turned back at the door. It was just an innocent show filled with musicals and a little bit of theatrical performance.

Until now I don't understand what the ruckus was all about. If my faith is strong enough nothing can change that. Humans are so weak that they often try to find excuses to place the blame on anything apart from themselves.
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post May 16 2012, 04:10 PM

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The organizer should set up separate food for muslims. As being shown by my fellow indian friends where they separate the table that provide hala food cooked by muslims and non halal food cook by their families.

Since food halal and what not is quite sensitive issue here in Malaysia, people take it lightly. The reason why muslim were forbidden to eat non halal food at all cost. There's nothing wrong with muslim attending xmas party or to inside the church or temple personally, it's just that things that's need to avoid is takne lightly by the organizer. The mega xmas open house organized by state government wouldn't have this no muslim go problem cos they follow what multiracial civilized people do.
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post May 17 2012, 06:13 PM

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QUOTE(shah_ho_nam2 @ May 16 2012, 04:10 PM)
The organizer should set up separate food for muslims. As being shown by my fellow indian friends where they separate the table that provide hala food cooked by muslims and non halal food cook by their families.

Since food halal and what not is quite sensitive issue here in Malaysia, people take it lightly. The reason why muslim were forbidden to eat non halal food at all cost. There's nothing wrong with muslim attending xmas party or to inside the church or temple personally, it's just that things that's need to avoid is takne lightly by the organizer. The mega xmas open house organized by state government wouldn't have this no muslim go problem cos they follow what multiracial civilized people do.
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Are you referring to Tester101's statements? Because i dont think he mentioned they were turned away because of non-halal food....or ur jst putting up ur own say?
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post May 17 2012, 08:15 PM

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QUOTE(ArmorFiend @ May 17 2012, 07:13 PM)
Are you referring to Tester101's statements? Because i dont think he mentioned they were turned away because of non-halal food....or ur jst putting up ur own say?
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it's my personal observation. I have lots of malays, chinese and indian frens.

it's the reason why it's hard for muslim to attend the event only if they really need to. otherwise the flyers case and raid will constantly happen in which some group of extremist were not happy with it.
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QUOTE(shah_ho_nam2 @ May 17 2012, 08:15 PM)
it's my personal observation. I have lots of malays, chinese and indian frens.

it's the reason why it's hard for muslim to attend the event only if they really need to. otherwise the flyers case and raid will constantly happen in which some group of extremist were not happy with it.
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Agree! I hate to say this..but that is also one of the reason why more chinese and indians are closer....because usually bonding time occur over a meal or food. It is such a waste...else all of us would be a lot closer...
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QUOTE(ArmorFiend @ May 18 2012, 11:27 AM)
Agree! I hate to say this..but that is also one of the reason why more chinese and indians are closer....because usually bonding time occur over a meal or food. It is such a waste...else all of us would be a lot closer...
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Yup Chinese and Indian don't have strict rules on what type of food they could consume. As for muslim everything must be cleaned. But funny part is, when smoking is clearly stated that it's not good for health, they ignore it. But modern malays normally won't follow this codes. Drink and drunk is pretty normal for malay adult nowdays. Cocktail party attended, singing till midnight, left alone those extremist that plainly report the event to JAIS.
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QUOTE(shah_ho_nam2 @ May 18 2012, 01:14 PM)
Yup Chinese and Indian don't have strict rules on what type of food they could consume. As for muslim everything must be cleaned. But funny part is, when smoking is clearly stated that it's not good for health, they ignore it. But modern malays normally won't follow this codes. Drink and drunk is pretty normal for malay adult nowdays. Cocktail party attended, singing till midnight, left alone those extremist that plainly report the event to JAIS.
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True! And that's when you see all races really have fun! Hahaa...but of course it is not right..but then it is fun no doubt...and sides no one got hurt physically in the process. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(ArmorFiend @ May 18 2012, 03:12 PM)
True! And that's when you see all races really have fun! Hahaa...but of course it is not right..but then it is fun no doubt...and sides no one got hurt physically in the process.  laugh.gif
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indeed, these extremist seeing this differently. They called it social crumbling era. for them, these open minded malays were badly influenced and need to be cleansed. In either way it's nothing wrong in principle to attend the cocktail party, it's just that the adaptation is needed to be understand first hand. JAIS is an entity that worked on call. When people call them, they need to go, if not they'll be labeled as incompetence and useless entity to the society. In world, they are pro and cons. good and bad. once again
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QUOTE(shah_ho_nam2 @ May 18 2012, 02:16 PM)
indeed, these extremist seeing this differently. They called it social crumbling era. for them, these open minded malays were badly influenced and need to be cleansed. In either way it's nothing wrong in principle to attend the cocktail party, it's just that the adaptation is needed to be understand first hand. JAIS is an entity that worked on call. When people call them, they need to go, if not they'll be labeled as incompetence and useless entity to the society. In world, they are pro and cons. good and bad. once again
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The jobscope of all moral police is useless to society, not just jais. Forcibly imposing ones religious values onto others is foolish at best.
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The jobscope of all moral police is useless to society, not just jais. Forcibly imposing ones religious values onto others is foolish at best.
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that's why all fingers are not the same.
these extremist cared only on to secure the moral issue.

Majority of muslims reject non halal food. More and more after PAS take over. BN and PKR who took selangor are just the same. Simple, BN and PKR came from the same core
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why non-muslim must do charity to muslim and get themselves in trouble...

QUOTE(md11 @ Aug 7 2012, 08:17 PM)
Donations by buddhist organization....

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Added on August 8, 2012, 2:48 amNGO serah bukti video Kristianisasi di PP Khamis ini

Pertubuhan Aktivis Pengupayaan Insan (API) akan menyerahkan bahan bukti berupa gambar dan rakaman video kepada Majlis Agama Islam Negeri Pulau Pinang (MAINPP) berhubung dakwaan terdapat cubaan menyebarkan Kristian kepada orang Islam negeri itu.

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Pengerusi API, Nur Fitri Amir Muhammad berkata, bahan bukti itu akan diserahkan kepada Yang Dipertua MAIPP Datuk Salleh Man (kanan) pada Khamis ini.

"Kita telah hubungi Datuk Salleh Man dan pagi Khamis ini akan adakan mesyuarat dengan mereka.

"Kami juga akan serahkan gambar dan rakaman video pengakuan pakcik beca (yang menjadi saksi) sebagai bukti," katanya yang berharap dapat membantu MAINPP.

Sebelum ini API dilaporkan mendakwa, wujud usaha memurtadkan orang Islam terutama golongan gelandangan dan pengayuh beca sekitar Pulau Pinang.

API mendakwa, usaha itu melibatkan dua lelaki Eropah yang berpakaian seperti pelancong yang mendekati golongan itu dengan bertanyakan lokasi menarik sekitar bandar, lapor Berita Harian pada 2 Ogos lalu.

'Kata Jesus betul, Muhamad tak betul'

Golongan itu juga didakwa menggunakan umpan wang tunai dan keperluan asas sepanjang Ramadan.

Bagi mengukuhkan dakwaannya, API memuatkan gambar dan rakaman video (lihat gambar kiri dan bawah) memaparkan seorang lelaki berusia - yang didatangi dua lelaki tersebut- menceritakan kembali perbualan mereka dalam blognya.

Dalam rakaman itu, lelaki itu mendakwa, kedua-dua 'pelancong' berkenaan yang menemuinya di hadapan Masjid Kapitan flying spaghetti monster warganegara Amerika dan salah seorangya berbahasa Melayu.

Penarik beca itu juga mendakwa, mereka menceritakan mengenai agama Kristian dan memberitahu ''Jesus betul dan Nabi Muhammad tidak betul''.

"Dia cerita pasal Kristian. Dia kata nak bagi mandi air. Saya kata sini tak ada air. Esok dia kata nak datang lagi. Dia nak jumpa bagi mandi.

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"Dia orang Amerika. Seorang itu duduk Indonesia. Pandai cakap Melayu. Dia ada katalah yang Jesus betul, Muhammad tak betul," kata pengayuh itu lagi dalam video sepanjang 2.25 minit itu.

Saksi bersembunyi, bimbang keselamatan

Sementara itu, Nur Fitri juga memberitahu Malaysiakini, pengayuh beca dalam video itu kini sedang bersembunyi kerana khuatir keselamatand dirinya.

"Pakcik itu pesan pada kami yang dia tidak akan berada di tempat itu beberapa hari kerana dia takut lelaki itu nak bawa dia ke satu tempat.

"Pakcik itu memang kerap berada di kawasan itu kerana dia menerima bantuan daripada kami," katanya.

Beliau turut berharap agar isu itu tidak dipolitikkan oleh mana-mana pihak kerana API merupakan sebuah pertubuhan yang bebas daripada mana-mana parti politik.

"Saya juga berharap perkara ini tak dijadikan sebagai isu politik. Kita tak pihak kerajaan atau pembangkang.

"Kita pertubuhan yang kebajikan untuk bantu golongan gelandangan dan isu Kristianisasi ini kebetulan semasa kami sedang mengumpul data," katanya lagi.

http://www.malaysiakini.com/news/205689

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