I currently having difficulties choosing streams in F4.

Things I want to know:
1) Subjects in stream
2) Career opportunities
3) Pure science or sub science tougher?

What is your ambition? How's your PMR result?

if you are worried about 'toughness' of the sciences, just opt for the arts....

what is in sub sciences?

I would say go for science stream.

You will still be able to catch up in your tertiary education if you decide to go for arts later.

1) Subjects doesn't matter. For me, I took science stream for the sake of general knowledge. I get to know the surface of everything, from Newton's law to body parts to NaOH. I've forgotten most of it but at least I know they exist.

2) Since you will be able to change to arts later on in your tertiary education, the prospect is infinite. But an arts student will find it difficult to change since science subjects are generally more difficult.

3) It depends on what you want to learn in the end. Some went pure science, some did not take up Biology, etc as some find these subjects harder to comprehend.

it's up to you....if you love science..better go in the pure science stream..if you hate it..do not ! seriously ! you will find it hard to study them..it also depends on your PMR result..like in my school..you need to have at least a minimum one A and one B for maths and science or vice versa.

like me,i'm now in form 5 (pure science stream)..and the subject that i learn are of course BM,BI,Maths,Pend Islam, and history...and for the elective : Biology,Chemistry,Physics, and Additional Maths.

About the career,like i said pure science offers a wide range of career opportunities that is related to science ( Engineers,doctors, Etc..) and lots of more...OBVIOUSLY pure science is tougher because you will be dealing with 3 science subject and 2 maths. good luck ! =)

lucky for you...
my school tougher, need at least 2A & no C then you can merayu to join sub science class
I got A for both Math & Science but C for Sejarah can't join sub science class
st*pid sejarah

Wah , so fast , today baru habis PMR you wanna think about streams now ...
Relax lah , in my opinion it's a one in a lifetime experience for you to just enjoy life as it is . PMR result also not yet come out , I guess it's still too early for you to choose .

But for me , I have only one stream set in my head : Pure Science

oh man..if you are in my school..you will have no problem entering the class..so what stream are you in right now ? when i was PMR i've both A's for maths and science..and no C..p/s ; i HATE sejarah too..for my pmr..i never passed the subject but thank god i've got B for PMR..and for right now (SPM), my highest grade for sejarah is C and that's the 1st time i've passed it..arghh..hate history ! story of my life...lol =)

You can always opt for Science stream and take an art subject as an elective like Accounts. That's what I did since my school offers this package.

my school also has a package just like this..but i drop account as i have no intrested at it and also i suck at it ! lol
=)

TS, it is an excellent choice to decide ur stream now. Many and i mean too many students just go for the stream that was suggested/forced just because they think that stream offers a better salary/future. But, it may not happen in that way. Some engineering graduates do end up working in office/bank/etc or doctors who gave up, thinking that medical field is too boring or stressful.

Now I knw its hard for u to decide which is ur type of field since ur still young and haven't done much research yet. I myself ended up in science stream bcoz my results were good. Gladly, science is totally my thing. Science pretty much involves a lot on critical thinking, logic, rational, analytic, problem solving, maths and memory. Here, u will study many things on how our world works scientifically, mathematically and by understanding. Personally, I love science bcoz of the vastness of knowledge and the usefulness when applied in our daily life. If ur searching for high pay jobs, look no further than business. But, just stick to ur interest. I'm not really sure about arts but I think they r mainly about utilising ur creativity, views, opinion, communication, psychology and etc. Maybe some others can explain to u about arts stream. Gd luck and study hard & smart for ur future

So any1 can tell me whats the subjects offered for:
1) Pure science
2) Sub science
3) Arts

BM,BI,P.I/Moral,Sejarah,Maths (all students must take these subjects)
1)bio,chemistry,physics,ad math & e.s.t- English for science and technology)
2)physics,chemistry,add math,est and another subject depend on your school
3)accounts,economy,PP
(arts got alot of combination but economic i think is a must..)

i think so..correct me if i'm wrong..

This post has been edited by yufa: Oct 10 2011, 09:53 PM

If you like science except for the body parts which requires memorisation skill,

choose sub science

Science stream provides more options if you can cope with it, unless choose art stream.

yup, science stream provide more options for u in future. science stream can study science related course such as engineering, medicine, pharmacy, and of course they can choose to study IT, law, accounting..... But if you r art stream, u cannot choose to study sciences related course in future, means it will limit your choice.....

however, its up to you whether u interest or not, and also can cope or not....

choose science stream..my friend never pass in biology but he get B in spm..now he is persue his degree to bachelor of phamarcy...good luck


at malaysia,with money although ur result like sos tomato,u can be pharmacy but the quality also soso..trust me,u can do it..choose science have better job prospect

Okays, i think that i may choose sub science.

I also heard that there is a subject called IT science or something, is that true?

Computer science or IT.

Hmm, back in my school we were given a choice between pure science, engineering and arts.
Safest bet will be to stick with pure science, but if you're not planning to have a career in any medicine related fields, sub science looks like the clear winner here. Although, this is the first time I'm hearing about sub science, never encountered it before tbh.

Normally , for pure science you take all the compulsory subjects + Chem , Phy , Bio , Add Math . For sub science however , in my school , you drop BIO and take Accounts instead . For our arts , we have commerce arts and another , the normal arts . Commerce arts you take Econs , Accounts , Add Math , and if you wish to add , Perdagangan . For the normal arts , you'll take Geo , Sastera , Arts , and a few more which I forgot ...

Hope that clears up your doubts ...
The best option in my opinion is Pure Science / Sub science . But if you really have the passion for arts , then go for it .

Note if you are passionate towards the arts but your parents are forcing you to take pure sciences for whatever reasons it may be, try to consult your teacher to see if you can take arts as an additional subject (provided your subject limit is not exceeded)

So if I have no intention to step in the medical field when in the future, theres no need to take bio?

Btw, wad jobs can be applied on these subjects:
1) Chemistry
2) Physics

With bio you can take many courses, try google it, not necessary in medical field.

With chemistry and physics, you can take engineering in different disciplines.

That is what I know. Thank you.

If you use the careers approach, then by knowing what careers you're interested in, it'll be easy to decide by going backwards.
Career -> Degree Subject(s) -> Pre-University/A Level/IB/Year 12(+13) subjects -> SPM subjects

With the right combination, there could be virtually nothing you couldn't do... for example, if you studied Mathematics, Physics, Chemistry, and Biology, as well as written-based subjects (e.g. Literature) and languages in school, and also did music/drama/art/design outside of regular school work/examinations, you'd be set for any university subject.

If you're not that kind of person (most people aren't, that kind of person is extremely rare), then there are many similar (and still ambitious) approaches.

Some people take a wide combination of subjects which includes both things they enjoy (Biology, Geography, or Literature perhaps) as well as things they would need for Pre-U and undergrad (Pure/Additional Mathematics, Physics perhaps). This is easy if you're good at everything. If done well this approach reduces your future limitations.

Some people take subjects which are related/from a set, because they are good in them and/or are interested in them, and would likely need them in the future. If they plan well/choose well, they don't have any disadvantage.

Mathematics, Physics, Chemistry, Biology - these are a set of subjects you do not want to neglect (not as a whole) when choosing... because at least one or more of them are prerequisites for Engineering, Pharmacy, Medicine, Dentistry, Computer Science, Economics, Actuarial Science etc. In the event you aren't entering a degree that utilises or requires Mathematics or any of those Sciences, you would still be eligible for admission since these subjects are highly regarded (to an extent).

Business Studies, Commerce, Economics, Law etc - these are relevant but are never required. Taking any of these is important only for knowledge and interest (because any good student could get admitted for undergrad Econ/Finance/Accounting/Commerce/Law without any of these).

Literature, History, Economics, Law, Geography, Religious Studies, Politics, International Relations, Government, Sociology - these "written/essay-based" subjects are essential for those interested in Politics, Philosophy, Economics (needs Mathematics), Law, History, Sociology, Politics and Government, IR. However, they are not required, so choose carefully (do those that are relevant/that you're interested in). These are an important set of subjects for those who are absolutely disinterested in any degree to do with Mathematics or Sciences (vs soft subjects like Business Studies and Accounting, and of course Law).

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Added on October 12, 2011, 6:49 pmYou apply these to jobs, not the other way round.

Biology has applications in Chemistry/Biochemistry, Pharmacy, Pharmacology, and Psychology in addition to the other Medical/Biomedical and Life Sciences, other Health Care subjects (Optometry, Physiology etc), and of course traditional Biology subjects (Molecular Bio., Genetics, Zoology etc). If you're not interested in any of these, then (since you're clearly not interested in Biology) take something else.

Chemistry -> Materials/Chemical Engineering, Petroleum Engineering, Petrology, Geology, Earth Sciences, Pharmacology, Pharmacy, Teaching etc.

Physics -> Engineering (safe to say all branches), Physics Research, Quantitative Analyst jobs/Trading/Structuring/Hedge Funds (individuals highly qualified in Physics are sought after for their mathematical/quantitative skills), Teaching.

This post has been edited by LightningFist: Oct 12 2011, 06:50 PM

:D:D Thanks

go for science and also get ready for english because probably next year they already start implementing english on math and science so i heard

This post has been edited by H4XF4XTOR: Oct 12 2011, 10:00 PM

In my high school, there's no option to take arts stream... there's only pure science and sub science. No choice.

I got sub science with Visual art and Econs, 11 subjects.

You sure english? Because there is currently no reliable source that says the teachers will teach in English next year

If u do have a reliable source saying that maths and science are teached in English/BM, post the link here

Deputy Prime Minister sent an SMS today to the PAGE chairwoman :





MOE wl give detail explanation on soft landing. In short students wl b allowed to continue doing M&S in English until Form 5.

In form 4,You really cant afford to laze around anymore If you want to score..The essay questions and experiment questions in the 3 sciences are not easy..You really need good memory and understands the concepts fully..Especially for physic..
I know someone who is struggling with the sciences and add maths now...My classmate...Because he didnt so well in the beginning And mid of form four...He is struggling his arse off now in the final exam(Happening now for form four students)..Because of his everyday gaming..He cant understand add maths..Bio is hell for him..He has no idea how to do formulas and chem formula questions...I dont need to say much for physics..
I mean...He even forgot to do one section of the paper in physics paper..Which was today for my school..
Point is...Too survive or even score Form 4 and beyond...Always stay ahead of your studies...So,you wont suffer when the time comes...

If you think Form 4 is all relaxing period, it's not. Form 4 is the stage where crucial concentration is needed the most. Basics of most subjects especially science subjects are taught during Form 4. Get your basics right and it'll (probably) be a breeze for you later in Form 5.

I procrastinated a lot during Form 4 and now I'm struggling like hell doing my trial exam. *regrets*

Those are easy... wait until you hit second year undergrad work.

I thought you are a form 4 student this year ? What's with the trial exam ?

And , why is your post count always stuck at 138 posts ?

Currently I am. Trial exam as in the 1st Excel Examination for SPM candidates.

It's not.

This post has been edited by happy_berry: Oct 14 2011, 02:31 PM

I wonder whos gonna create the SPM thread next year...

better be prepared rite?

I'm currently in Form 4, only taking 9 subjects (pure science). I tried out accounts but it seems I'm not very good at it and my school does not offer accounts classes for pure science students. I was going for Accounts Tuition outside school for a few months.

Do you think it is okay for me to stick with 9 subjects or take up 1 more subject for scholarship sake? If so, what subject can i pick up starting after my F4 Finals till SPM (Literature too late). I was thinking of EST but I according to sources online it's hard.

Please advice, thank you in advance.