if a violin fit well, i might give it a try.

listened to the song, should be no problem transposing it. i might just make a blur video cause i want to remain anonymous, but i have good recording equipment for good clear sound.

the song begin with cello (violin for me) part, but i'll add in the violin once the whole structure is firm, just a guitar track will do. i don't want to be the core person of the project, just want to add violin track for fun. leave the bars necessary for the violin will do.

killerkamote, PM me once your base track/structure (drums or bass or guitar) is done. i'll add in the violin part.

hi sorry recently swamped with big projects, will be back on track somewhere next weekdays if i have extra time to spare. but will be free to record it after 27th if i'm unable to make it prior to that day.

violin track coming soon!

hi killer, i'm going to record the track by today if possible, latest tomorrow. will PM you with the track link. so i download the tracks that're already done so far and record on top?

can anyone respond my question?

thanks. cause i lost track of the progress since i was busy during the last 3 weeks. if you guys are doing exactly the same tempo, and same key, then i'm all set. i just transcribe the original cello track and record accordingly.

by the way, the cello track always reminds me this...

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Added on December 6, 2011, 11:33 pmEDIT: investigating the mysterious tempo...

This post has been edited by little ice: Dec 6 2011, 11:39 PM

ok, using the audio track from the official music video found on youtube, the result of perfectly sync'ed tempo is 148.15bpm, and perfectly tuned to 440.

i downloaded one mp3 version and the tuning is off, higher than 440 tuning, and it's slower tempo which sync nicely with 148bpm. there seems to have some funny versions floating around.

so before i start to record, please check if we're working with the correct *official* version.

i think i better follow the work in progress. i extracted the audio track from the official MV and the tempo 148.79 does not sync, it's 148.15 instead.

checked the WIP track, yes, 148.79 sync, but not 100% of the whole song. i don't know what happened to the WIP track, something wasn't right to begin with.

i'd like to check a few things:

1. killer, when you edit the recorded track, did you cut the original track to accommodate? because the WIP track sounds like it's edited, pretty unnatural especially the pre-chorus to chorus. DAW nowadays are very advanced, you may had activated the time stretch by accident when you edit it, which you shouldn't. just want to double check.

2. anyone who started to record the first track, did you provide the mp3 that you referenced? it's dangerous that everyone has a reference track that's slightly different from each other.

as mentioned in my previous post, i extracted the audio file from the official MV and it sync perfectly with 148.15bpm, from beginning until the very end. you have to adjust the track so that it sync right from the very first note until the last one. easiest way to sync the tempo is to make sure you find the very first drum hit, in this case, the first chorus. percussive tracks like drums are easy to sync because you can see the hits on the waveform view. then adjust the tempo until everything sync.

i can probably record over the current WIP track but i can guarantee you that it'll never sound in sync, or tight.

no the bpm changes didn't happen on the pre-chorus, but it sounds like the very first bass hit/main vocal part has been shifted slightly late, then the first pickup vocal of the chorus sounds like it pick up earlier (due to the shifted pre-chorus). i'm not aware of any effect used though, but whichever you did, you can reverse it as long as you have backups.

by the way, i THINK you might have applied destructive effect processing, which introduce delay (latency) and resulting the whole pre-chorus delayed. usually this shouldn't happen since all DAW can compensate the latency, but there should be some setting that resulted the delay.


this is not the correct approach, regardless of being professional or amateur works. if you work on 148bpm and i work on 148.79bpm, the song will start to sound out of sync as soon as the first chorus. not very badly out of sync, but obvious enough to think "why the band not in sync?".

yes, live players can't play like midi which every note can be quantized perfectly. and it's natural to have the best player in the world still play a little loose. but recording in different tempo is going to be a much worse issue. you'll have a nightmare to sync the whole thing, and especially when you bring in the drum track, even if you can somehow sync everything, you'll most probably get a clumsy sounding drum track.

a common practice in the professional world, drums will usually be the first one to record first but as long as there's a midi mockup, any instrument/vocal can be recorded first but recording the drums first will have the advantage of playing in very tight sync with the drummer for other live instruments. even before the digital recording was popular, musicians still use metronome as a guidance to record. if there's no metronome track, rarely the band will record separately, they'll have to record together to ensure the whole playing is tight. not to say we should practice the professional way, but at least we try to avoid disasters.


ok will check it out.

This post has been edited by little ice: Dec 7 2011, 12:39 PM

i think it's going to be record first then shoot a video?

you can catch all the MV artists and singers then...

actually, if you want to do a cover and record your bass track directly over the original track, you shouldn't just warp the track *before* finding the correct tempo and sync it. there'll be some inconsistency in the tempo and if you record your bass over the warped track, you'll find your bass track isn't consistent to the 148bpm metronome when you solo your bass track or mute the original track.

making a midi mockup means someone has to sequence the midi notes/tracks from ground up. there might be someone already done it, but you have to make sure that it's a usable midi track.

i'm going to upload the audio track from the MV, the beginning of the audio track is trimmed to match exactly the very beginning of the track. you guys try to import it into DAW and set the tempo to 148.15bpm, and you'll know why it's important to set the correct tempo first before recording anything. Will edit this post later when upload is done.

http://www.mediafire.com/?anb0ouurrujuol2m

This post has been edited by little ice: Dec 7 2011, 03:32 PM

bpm issue is more pronounced than you can imagine.

100bpm vs 100.1bpm = 100km/h vs 100.1km/h

imagine 2 cars running constantly at 100km/h and another at 100.1km/h, you'll soon see 1 car running ahead of the slower one pretty soon, even just a difference of 0.1km/h.

if everyone is following the same tempo, everybody's track can be synced right away without the need to edit or warp *anything* at all. all you can expect is a little loose performance due to being a live player's track, but you won't hear some tracks getting faster and faster, or slower.

EDIT: ok since rarap confirm that his warped track sync correctly to the 148bpm, i suggest rarap to upload his warped track to killer and everyone else as the main reference track, and everyone else should record based on rarap's bass track and warped original track to avoid syncing problem.

This post has been edited by little ice: Dec 7 2011, 07:18 PM

i mistaken your question, you're asking about video syncing and i'm talking about audio syncing.

CDG - it's called multitrack recording, and mixing...

if you want to check the original track, i've already done it, and uploaded a version in my previous post which you can simply import to DAW, set tempo to 148.15bpm (with warping totally disabled), and it'll sync perfectly to the metronome. i used the audio track extracted from official MV, at least i know it is the official version. unless you have the original CD track, downloading any versions off google won't guarantee the mp3 wasn't being tampered, at least for this song which appear to have some versions edited by God knows who. i downloaded a version found via google and it was a disaster. if you have original CD track, you can try check if it's synced to 148.15bpm.

or, the best way is simply use your current recorded track, and we'll all record based on 148bpm. there has to be only one version, and everybody will follow that one and only version. we can't have 2 leaders in a team or else it'll only make us all confuse.