Welcome Guest ( Log In | Register )

Outline · [ Standard ] · Linear+

 Private Retirement Fund, What the hell is that??

views
     
nashburn
post Nov 16 2015, 04:18 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
159 posts

Joined: Jan 2003
From: Kuala Lumpur

I think some people misunderstood how to claim tax relief for PRS.

When you save RM3k in your PRS account, it does not mean you can claim RM3k from LHDN.

This is how to calculate:
Let's say you earn RM100k annually
And you save RM3k in your PRS account

RM100k-3k = 97k

So, RM97k is your taxable income.

I would say PRS is a very good investment scheme
If I can switch EPF to PRS I would do it


nashburn
post Nov 20 2015, 07:06 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
159 posts

Joined: Jan 2003
From: Kuala Lumpur

QUOTE(cherroy @ Nov 16 2015, 10:16 PM)
Personally I won't.

EPF - principal money is guaranteed, return also guaranteed, just how much the dividend will be only.

PRS - Principal not guaranteed, return also not guaranteed, can be no dividend, and make a lost if market situation is not favourable to the fund.

I would opt for UT instead of PRS.
PRS = UT that cannot be withdrawn until reaching pension age, apart from the tax relief (3K max), there is no incentive to invest into PRS at all.
While invest in UT (without PRS route), you have the flexibility to withdraw or selling it anytime, if one is seeing the market has peak.
*
Your statement is right. Each investment might look similar but serve to a different objective.

UT is considered active investment where you need to monitor the price every now and then, the objective is to accumulate wealth within a period of time.

PRS has a different objective where it targets for your retirement age, thus it is not advisable to withdraw though you can after 1 year and subject to 8% penalty charge. Employer also can contribute without a fix amount or term. This type of retirement scheme is common in other countries but still considered new in Malaysia. You can also choose the risk profile which suits you whether its conservative, moderate or aggressive. Yes, the return not guaranteed and can be no dividend and all (same thing with UT) but PRS is meant for long term investment and you can switch to other operator if you wish.



nashburn
post Nov 26 2015, 11:46 AM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
159 posts

Joined: Jan 2003
From: Kuala Lumpur

QUOTE(Dividend Magic @ Nov 26 2015, 10:51 AM)
Yeap the only incentive for me is the tax relief.

Max out EPF first and then go for PRS. After maxing out PRS, I'd go for shares.
*
1. Tax relief
2. RM500 incentive if you're below 30
3. Potential higher return than EPF
nashburn
post Nov 26 2015, 12:31 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
159 posts

Joined: Jan 2003
From: Kuala Lumpur

QUOTE(xuzen @ Nov 26 2015, 11:57 AM)
Is it me or do you all realise that this PRS  thread is extra active during the end of the year?
*
LOL
Time for tax claim baby!!
nashburn
post Nov 27 2015, 12:17 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
159 posts

Joined: Jan 2003
From: Kuala Lumpur

QUOTE(guanteik @ Nov 27 2015, 08:34 AM)
3. Potential higher return than EPF <-- This is fake. I'm still losing $$ in the PRS as I invest with Public Mutual.
*
First rule, its a long term investment. You need at least 3-5 years to see the profit.
Second, you can switch fund to other provider if you're not satisfy with the result (but make sure you do rule no 1 first)
Third, do a little research bro, don't fall for marketing strategy of a certain company. Sales person can say many things but Bloomberg chart cannot lie biggrin.gif


nashburn
post Nov 30 2015, 11:49 AM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
159 posts

Joined: Jan 2003
From: Kuala Lumpur

commonly PRS sales charge is between 0-3%

normal individual contribution = 3%
corporate contribution*= 0-2%

*subject to terms & condition. Normally a PRS provider will waive the sales charge if the company agrees to contribute with minimum number of participant (staff), of course this tnc may differ depends on the PRS provider.

nashburn
post Dec 16 2015, 05:14 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
159 posts

Joined: Jan 2003
From: Kuala Lumpur

QUOTE(repusez @ Dec 16 2015, 05:00 PM)
becoz i saw in this FAQ , so i'm curious if anyone done it

"Can I use EPF money to contribute to PRS?

Yes you can. But got T&C one.

You must have enough basic savings in your account to even be allowed to withdraw. Basic savings are calculated by age."

http://ringgitohringgit.com/2015/12/13/faq...me-in-malaysia/
*
No, you cannot use EPF money to contribute to PRS
PRS must use cash only, similar like the way you contribute to EPF.
Bear in mind that PRS is the second EPF
However EPF money can be withdraw from account 1 to invest in Unit Trust, subject to calculation based on your age
nashburn
post Dec 20 2015, 04:03 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
159 posts

Joined: Jan 2003
From: Kuala Lumpur

Insurance is mainly for protection. Anything gained from investment-linked portfolio are bonus for the client. One does not sign up for any insurance program with intention to invest.

If you want to invest, look for investment company, not insurance company.
An insurance agent also should not promote the insurance product as an 'investment'

However, in personal financial rule, protection always come first before investment. Being said that, you are encourage to have insurance protection first thing before you start to invest. Investment only meant for the extra money you have which you can afford to lose.


nashburn
post Dec 21 2015, 04:17 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
159 posts

Joined: Jan 2003
From: Kuala Lumpur

QUOTE(wing2010 @ Dec 21 2015, 04:02 PM)
Thank you so much! I've been reading bout this since morning but still blur, like a crash course yet i got more confused  rclxub.gif
caz from faq i came across sth like application takes up to 14days to process so i thought no hope dy

well tbh my main purpose of this is for tax relief actually, so is it possible to say just dump 3k into an acc at this very last minute to maximize relief, and maybe just do the same for the next 10 years or so? i won't lose the money if i don't do anyth and just leave them in the acc right? keep seeing the term "high risk" in fsm worries me.. sorry if this sounded dumb  sweat.gif caz for now it's not likely for me to touch the fund as i don't know much bout investment (i'm only experienced in fd and investment-linked), hoping to learn more tho.. thanks to all sifus here
notworthy.gif
*
PM me, I can help you.
nashburn
post Dec 21 2015, 04:18 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
159 posts

Joined: Jan 2003
From: Kuala Lumpur

QUOTE(KenYoung @ Dec 21 2015, 04:12 PM)
I really don't get it how it works...

I know of cimb's first... Then kenanga then affin hwang?

I'm unemployed and since no tax relief, will this benefit me if I just throw 1k inside ? Will I get the rm500 ?
*
If you're still below 30 yes, you can get the RM500
nashburn
post Dec 21 2015, 05:05 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
159 posts

Joined: Jan 2003
From: Kuala Lumpur

QUOTE(wing2010 @ Dec 21 2015, 04:41 PM)
ohh so what i thought was actually possible!  rclxms.gif
such coincidence we had the same mindset for tax relief purpose lol

plan to walk in to the nearest affin hwang tomorrow, hopefully can get it done
mind to enlighten me what documents they'll need from me?
just wanna confirm it's solely "dump in 3k every dec for tax relief" kan? LOL so is basically once a year payment
may i know how many years we need to commit ah? until retirement kah? or can be 10 years only? (since the relief only valid for first 10 years kan?)
what's the return like btway?
*
PRS started in 2012, and the govt gave 10 years for tax relief. That is until 2021.
After 2021 the policy may be revised, I heard it maybe increased to RM6k.., but cannot confirm now sweat.gif

By contributing RM3k to PRS, the taxable income is:
your annual income - PRS contribution amount (RM3k) = taxable income

It doesn't mean you contribute RM3k you can claim RM3k from LHDN
The more you contribute the more you can claim... up to RM3k max

This post has been edited by nashburn: Dec 21 2015, 05:06 PM
nashburn
post Dec 21 2015, 05:14 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
159 posts

Joined: Jan 2003
From: Kuala Lumpur

QUOTE(familyfirst @ Dec 21 2015, 05:06 PM)
And can only withdraw upon retirement which is at 55 yrs now.  May change to 60 yrs you never know.
*
Can withdraw after 1 year. But subject to 8% penalty charges.. because strictly for retirement purpose. sweat.gif sweat.gif


 

Change to:
| Lo-Fi Version
0.1183sec    0.39    7 queries    GZIP Disabled
Time is now: 7th December 2025 - 07:21 PM