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Gabriel03
post Dec 16 2018, 01:15 PM

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QUOTE(TOHNO @ Dec 16 2018, 12:58 PM)
Hi Guys !

I'm quite new to the concept of PRS , investment and taxes

So while I was doing my taxes today I was told that people who invest in PRS will get a RM3000 tax relief

and also an additional RM1000 for youths !

that sounds like a good deal

But what's the catch though ?
From what I understand PRS is something like an optional EPF

whereby they take your money to invest somewhere

there's a risk of higher or lower return

So is what my understanding of PRS correct ? Some of my friends say that it's better to save that RM3k in FD ... but then I don't get any tax reliefs
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PRS is like unit trust but the money is locked until your retirement. It's invested according to its mandate. Despite the market risk, the potential gain is normally higher than FD in a long term.

However, whether it is worth to invest in it depends on the individual.

For youth below 30, it's good to invest at least RM 1k in order to get another RM 1k (Intial Roi = 100%).

For tax relief, it depends on your monthly salary. If you don't earn much, you won't be taxed much. So, you don't save much. For example, if your taxable income is taxed at 5% max, you'll only get RM 150 for investing RM 3000 for that year. Normally, when we don't earn much, a huge portion is used to pay the monthly expenses (food, rent, loyer, etc). So, there is not much money left to save. People tend to keep the reminder money in FD or unit trust which they can use in a short-mid term horizon.

For those who are earning very well, it will be interesting to place the 3k in PRS, in order to recover a higher amount of tax. At the same, they have higher disposable income. So, they don't mind locking a small portion of their money until retirement.

So, yeah. The catch is that the money is locked until your retirement. The choice depends on your monthly salary and your level of comfort.
Gabriel03
post Dec 16 2018, 01:32 PM

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QUOTE(matrix88 @ Dec 16 2018, 01:20 PM)
no chance of withdrawal for housing etc? EPF can withdraw oh
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You can withdraw money from account B of PRS but you will get taxed.

If not mistaken, only death and permanent departure to overseas can get full withdrawal - account A & B.

QUOTE(matrix88 @ Dec 16 2018, 01:31 PM)
is the commitment long term means i need to contribute fix amount everymonth or i have option to contribute more or less as and when i want?
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You can contribute anytime you want regardless the amount. It's an optional contribution.

This post has been edited by Gabriel03: Dec 16 2018, 01:35 PM
Gabriel03
post Dec 16 2018, 05:25 PM

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QUOTE(matrix88 @ Dec 16 2018, 04:09 PM)
thanks for enlightening.

can provide details how can i start investing? or where can i register.
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You can sign up at
1/ PPA Website
2/ Fundsupermart
3/ eunittrust
4/ Banks

Some PRS fund impose sales charge but I know that Fundsupermart don't charge. Have to check the details at those website for more info. I personally use Fundsupermart as I have already an account with them and their interface enables easy tracking.

The fees (annual fee, trustee fee, sales charge, etc) varies according the fund. Depending on your risk tolerance, you can check out the previous posts for other members' arguments on which fund is the best.

This post has been edited by Gabriel03: Dec 16 2018, 05:26 PM
Gabriel03
post Dec 16 2018, 05:54 PM

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QUOTE(PrincZe @ Dec 16 2018, 05:35 PM)
Guys got a question. What's the threshold for prs to be recommended?

Example if I started working in Oct this year and tax maybe not alot.so if I buy 3k prs, I probably won't utilize it fully?

If u get what i mean.

I guess if I have big bonus this year, it's good to max the prs relif. Else if not, then not worth?
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Youth <30- min 1k

In your case, calculate how much you will get from tax and decide. There is no recommended threshold. People use PRS for the Youth incentive and tax relief.

For investment, they can opt for regular unit trust where they can withdraw whenever they want.
Gabriel03
post Dec 16 2018, 11:50 PM

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QUOTE(PrincZe @ Dec 16 2018, 11:30 PM)
Yes, max 3k per year to get relif. But those maybe pay rm50 per month of tax to income tax, one year maybe rm600 give to tax (assume no bonus)

So now I need find method to get back rm600 which is by tax relif right?

So if I put in 3k to get back rm600 doesn't seem make sense?

And yes, 3k is yours in the end. But maybe fund perform badly, might lose money and only wait 55 years old only can withdraw.

Sorry newbie here
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I think that you're confused between tax relief and tax rebate.

Let's just use your example of paying RM 600 of tax in a year.

Tax rebate
- very few possibilities. Most famous one is zakat. If u pay RM 300 in, then you need to pay only RM 300 in tax. In short, tax rebate subtracts from the total tax that you need to pay.

Tax relief reduces your taxable income. The taxable income is calculated by subtracting the tax relief from your total annual income. For example, if you earn RM 48k in gross annual income and you get RM 3k for PRS, your taxable income decreases to RM 45k. There are other tax reliefs to be added like EPF, SOCSO, etc.

Fyi, the taxable income is taxed from 0% to 28%. So, if you earn 1 million a year, your highest tax range is 28%. For 3k in PRS, you save RM 840.

So, if you are paying RM 600 for this year, your maximum taxable income is at 3% for 2018. So, by putting RM3k into PRS, you get a tax refund of RM 90.

This post has been edited by Gabriel03: Dec 17 2018, 12:02 AM
Gabriel03
post Dec 17 2018, 12:07 AM

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QUOTE(PrincZe @ Dec 17 2018, 12:02 AM)
Oh yes, reduce my taxable income. But each month my pcb only rm50 per month. So in a year my pcb is rm600.

So if I earn 48k per annum, thats like 4k per month, I invest rm3k and get rm90 out of rm600.

In order to get rm90 back from rm600, I have to invest 3k. 🤔🤔

Although 3k belongs to yours in the end.
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That's why there is pros and cons depending on your salary. Bear in mind that the money is yours but it's locked until retirement. You can partially withdraw but you will get tax penalty.

It depends on your confort zone as you might need that 3k in a few years to come??? Idk... You have to determine it yourself.
Gabriel03
post Dec 17 2018, 12:13 AM

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QUOTE(PrincZe @ Dec 17 2018, 12:09 AM)
Yes I agree. So it's not entirely should put in full. Maybe 1k depending on salary.

If earn high salary and each month pay high pcb good tax relif.

Thanks alot Gab!
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You're welcome.

Also, do remember that if you're less than 30 years old, it's best to invest 1k by end of this year. This is because the government gives 1k into ur prs account if you contribute at least 1k (one time deal until end of 2018). For this case, I agree that you should place 1k regardless of your salary because your Roi is 100% thanks to Msia gov.

This post has been edited by Gabriel03: Dec 17 2018, 12:14 AM
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post Dec 30 2018, 01:15 PM

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QUOTE(MNet @ Dec 30 2018, 08:33 AM)
I notice that I buy 3000 of the fund but i only get 2992 worth of fund.

In this case, for tax relief, i put 3000 or 2992?
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The RM 8 is linked to PPA charges. Nevertheless, your PRS provider will send you an annual statement in early next year. At there, you will see that it is stated RM 3000 despite the RM 8 charge.
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post Apr 8 2020, 12:34 PM

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QUOTE(GrumpyNooby @ Apr 8 2020, 12:27 PM)
I bought one PRS fund in 2015. Simple ROI without considering MWA via DCA/RSP effect is close to break even.
If I withdraw RM 1500 now, what profit am I withdrawing?
If settlement date falls at the wrong date, I'm selling the fund in loss.

Am I right?
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Don't forget that you have been receiving profit every year in terms of tax relief. Depending on your annual salary, the profit can be from 1% to 26%.

In my point of view, I invest in PRS solely for tax relief benefits. I have other long term investments where it is easier to tweak since there is less restrictions compared to PRS. Furthermore, the PRS fund are mostly focus on Malaysia or Asia Pacific Market, thus limits the choice of investment.

I'm planning to withdraw the 1.5k to invest the money elsewhere. So, i sell the investment low but I get to invest somewhere else at a lower price.

However, I will only go through with it if LHDN don't declare that the tax for PRS is the net flow (deposit - withdraw) like in Sspn.
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post Nov 6 2021, 08:06 PM

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QUOTE(Lancer07 @ Oct 8 2021, 12:57 PM)
Naruhodo, thanks for the info

I will probably register an account through PPA first and see how's it work, hope process won't be that complicated
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Please check of there is a sales charge for PRS at PPA.
At FSM, there is no sales charge.

 

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