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eugenecctan
post Dec 24 2013, 01:56 PM

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Dec 24 2013, 12:36 PM)
......have been often asked, “What is your personal preference, ie. PRS or deferred annuity?” Well, it depends on individual preferences. .....
http://malaysiantaxation101.com/2013/01/pe...ferred-annuity/
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Thanks for the sharing.
What is the best PSR available? Public Mutual?
Which deferred annuity is better? Maybank or Great eastern?

Thanks.
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post Dec 24 2013, 02:17 PM

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QUOTE(eugenecctan @ Dec 24 2013, 01:56 PM)
Thanks for the sharing.
What is the best PSR available? Public Mutual?
Which deferred annuity is better? Maybank or Great eastern?

Thanks.
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read previous posting...ex page 20.

maybank or GE....get the agents to propose to you
compare the benefits and premium?
then decide.

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post Dec 24 2013, 02:31 PM

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Dec 24 2013, 02:17 PM)
read previous posting...ex page 20.

maybank or GE....get the agents to propose to you
compare the benefits and premium?
then decide.
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Thanks, need advice from someone that know more on Deferred Annuity Plan for Maybank and GE. Thanks.
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post Dec 24 2013, 03:08 PM

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QUOTE(eugenecctan @ Dec 24 2013, 12:31 PM)
But they are entitle for the 3k tax relief as well.
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There are three (3) categories for insurance tax relief.

Life Insurance Policies - up to RM6k only
Education & Medical Insurance - up to RM3k only
Private Retirement Schemes - up to RM3k only

I seriously don't think 'Deferred Annuity Plan from Maybank and Great Eastern' fall under PRS tax relief but maybe under the other two (2) categories.

PRS is an additional tax relief on top of the previous two (2) categories.

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post Dec 24 2013, 03:13 PM

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QUOTE(Average-Joe @ Dec 24 2013, 03:08 PM)
There are three (3) categories for insurance tax relief.

Life Insurance Policies - up to RM6k only
Education & Medical Insurance  - up to RM3k only
Private Retirement Schemes  - up to RM3k only

I seriously don't think 'Deferred Annuity Plan from Maybank and Great Eastern' fall under PRS tax relief but maybe under the other two (2) categories.

PRS is an additional tax relief on top of the previous two (2) categories.
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Used to have a special Annuity Tax Relief up to RM1000 per year... but now it's combined with PRS under RM3000 tax relief a year (from YA2012 until YA2021)

Source

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post Dec 24 2013, 03:14 PM

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QUOTE(Average-Joe @ Dec 24 2013, 03:08 PM)
There are three (3) categories for insurance tax relief.

Life Insurance Policies - up to RM6k only
Education & Medical Insurance  - up to RM3k only
Private Retirement Schemes  - up to RM3k only

I seriously don't think 'Deferred Annuity Plan from Maybank and Great Eastern' fall under PRS tax relief but maybe under the other two (2) categories.

PRS is an additional tax relief on top of the previous two (2) categories.
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So confirmed by Ronnie. smile.gif
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post Dec 24 2013, 03:57 PM

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QUOTE(ronnie @ Dec 24 2013, 03:13 PM)
Used to have a special Annuity Tax Relief up to RM1000 per year... but now it's combined with PRS under RM3000 tax relief a year (from YA2012 until YA2021)

Source
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Noted with thanks!
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post Dec 25 2013, 10:16 PM

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may I know are there double charge by the PRS fund for management fee?
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PRS fund will invest into unit trust only by respective company?
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for example

PRS growth fund by HDBS , annual management fee 1.8 %

and this PRS growth fund HDBS invested in UNIT trust by their company ,HDBS eg, HDBS equity fund, etc.

and this HDBS equity fund also have annual management fee of 1.8 %

so if u invested in this HDBS PRS growth fund, this fund really no need to do anything and but just help u buy unit trust can get management fee of 1.8 %

so is it end up, u will get charge annual management fee x2 which is 1.8 % by this PRS fund , and the unit trust invested by this fund another 1.8 %

so end up... if u invested rm 100, 1.8 %+1.8 %= 3.6 % will be gtg to the same unit trust company...

can any 1 enlighten me on the above issue? on double charge of management fee? I cant get any info online and it was not reveal in any website on this hidden cost


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post Dec 25 2013, 11:00 PM

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QUOTE(SANGKANCIL2000 @ Dec 25 2013, 10:16 PM)
may I know are there double charge by the PRS fund for management fee?
ie.

PRS fund will invest into unit trust only by respective company?
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for example

PRS growth fund by HDBS , annual management fee 1.8 %

and this PRS growth fund HDBS invested in UNIT trust by their company ,HDBS eg, HDBS equity fund, etc.

and this HDBS equity fund also have annual management fee of 1.8 %

so if u invested in this  HDBS PRS growth  fund,  this fund really no need to do anything and but just help u buy unit trust can get management fee of 1.8 %

so is it end up, u will get charge annual management fee x2 which is 1.8 % by this PRS fund , and the unit trust invested by this fund another 1.8 %

so end up... if u invested rm 100,  1.8 %+1.8 %= 3.6 % will be gtg to the same unit trust company...

can any 1 enlighten me on the above issue? on double charge of management fee? I cant get any info online and it was not reveal in any website on this hidden cost
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just take your example, Hwang, have you read the annual report??
(Hint: note 4)
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post Dec 25 2013, 11:19 PM

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QUOTE(yong417 @ Dec 25 2013, 11:00 PM)
just take your example, Hwang, have you read the annual report??
(Hint: note 4)
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hi, will you be able to explain?

majority PRS unit trust will buy the unit trust of their company..

PRS A fund will buy unit trust by company A
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PRS A fund mx fee 1.5% will buy unit trust company A
Company A unit trust mx fee 1.5 %

not 1.5 % + 1.5 % charge?

no double charge?

I think this info was not disclose...

will be happy if u can help me on this


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post Dec 25 2013, 11:32 PM

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is it stated in the annual reports as pointed by forummer yong417 at post # 450?

This post has been edited by yklooi: Dec 25 2013, 11:34 PM
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post Dec 26 2013, 08:29 AM

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Please download a copy of Hwang PRS annual report (any PRS funds) and read the Notes to the FS item No.4 yawn.gif



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post Jan 1 2014, 09:56 PM

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QUOTE(Dennos @ Dec 18 2013, 05:14 PM)
PPA annual fee is RM8
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So....how does the PPA take RM8 from our PPA account?
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QUOTE(simplesmile @ Jan 1 2014, 09:56 PM)
So....how does the PPA take RM8 from our PPA account?
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the below is from Kenanga...may differ from other providers

Fees and charges paid to PPA
PPA account opening fee --RM10.

PPA annual fee
RM8 charged to Members or the employers who make contributions on behalf of the Members. Not payable for the year the OnePRS account is opened and not payable for the year(s) where no contributions are made.

PPA pre-retirement withdrawal fee --RM25 per transaction.

PPA transfer fee (to another PRS provider) --RM25 per transaction.

PPA administration fee --0.04% per annum of the Fund's NAV.

The charges paid to the PPA as mentioned above, may be collected by Kenanga Investors Berhad acting on behalf of the PPA.

http://www.kenangainvestors.com.my/KIB/KIB...nePRS/fees.aspx

hmm.gif so I guess the provider may auto redeem some of the units when the time come


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post Jan 5 2014, 06:52 PM

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I talked to FSM consultant last week.

He told me that if I were to contribute again this year. I'll be charged for RM 8 annual PPA fee and will be directly deducted from the new contribution I make for this year.

Another shocking surprise is that if I contribute into Fund A from Provider A with amount A (let's say RM 1k), I'll be charged for RM 8 PPA annual fee and let's say that if I want to invest into another Fund B from Provider B with amount B (let's say RM 1k) within the same year, I'll be charged for another RM 8 PPA annual fee.

PPA fee will be directly deducted by the fund house for the new contribution. ohmy.gif

The FSM consultant advised me to only contribute to the same fund from the same provide within the same year to avoid multiple PPA annual fee.
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post Jan 10 2014, 11:32 PM

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i though when i invest $1000,i get $1000 worth of PRS fund units.end up i only get $985 only

anyone have any idea,how they calculate this?

apparently its not like unit trust where all management fees,etc is incorporated into the unit price
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QUOTE(ryan18 @ Jan 10 2014, 11:32 PM)
i though when i invest $1000,i get $1000 worth of PRS fund units.end up i only get $985 only

anyone have any idea,how they calculate this?

apparently its not like unit trust where all management fees,etc is incorporated into the unit price
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From which PRS provider you bought?

Please provide more details for assessment here: PRS provider, PRS fund, NAV during purchase
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QUOTE(David83 @ Jan 10 2014, 11:40 PM)
From which PRS provider you bought?

Please provide more details for assessment here: PRS provider, PRS fund, NAV during purchase
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Provider: CIMB Principal
CIMB Principal PRS Plus Growth A
NAV during purchase 0.5272
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post Jan 10 2014, 11:53 PM

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QUOTE(ryan18 @ Jan 10 2014, 11:44 PM)
Provider: CIMB Principal
CIMB Principal PRS Plus Growth A
NAV during purchase 0.5272
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You bought directly from CIMB?
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QUOTE(David83 @ Jan 10 2014, 11:53 PM)
You bought directly from CIMB?
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