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wongmunkeong
post Sep 22 2014, 04:30 PM

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QUOTE(pustapazik @ Sep 22 2014, 04:13 PM)
if can afford usd$500/mth, can put into Investor Trust Assurance 15yrs savings plan, capital protected, potential upside unlimited, historical payout 12%-14%p.a., (guaranteed 4.3%p.a. worst case)
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wow.. seriously?
Cayman islands and see the red fonts below from it's website.
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U must be either very wealthy and not mind the risks involved
or very knowledgeable to manage such,
to invest in this notworthy.gif
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post Sep 22 2014, 05:11 PM

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QUOTE(pustapazik @ Sep 22 2014, 04:57 PM)
They're members of the Malaysian Financial Planning Council, http://www.mfpc.org.my/membership/corporate-members
If they cant be trusted, why should we trust other members in it too?  tongue.gif
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yup, so they are
so is Handsard Group - a huge mis-selling by an consultant to my sister, locked-in 5 years and current losses in USD10K+
the devil's in the T&C + mis- or appropriate selling.

BTW, that ITA scheme you're referring to - is it PRS approved?
ie - tax relief and stuff?
or just suggesting an alternative to PRS?
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post Sep 30 2014, 10:04 PM

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QUOTE(sylar111 @ Sep 30 2014, 09:58 PM)
Actually if you are afraid of inflation, even more you should not put into PRS. Because at least, with the money, you can invest in something that actualy protects against inflation.

The PRS plan which one of the GE agent showed me, is only slightly better then putting in FD even after considering tax deduction.

And you cannot really take the money out after 10 years because it is not worth it.

I think the insurance company is obviously in cahoots with the government to provide a product that is not really acceptable.
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GE? heheh - that's annuity or PRS?
anyhow - checkout mutual fund types of PRS lar.
Just because U saw a lame duck doesnt mean all BIRDS are lame.

PRS works for me due to tax rates +0% service charges (Hwang's Growth PRS via FSM)
Each person's mileage may vary with their tax rate + selected PRS.
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post Oct 1 2014, 03:23 PM

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QUOTE(sylar111 @ Oct 1 2014, 01:21 PM)
Can you take out everything from your fund after 10 years?
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Yes - by that time, i'm over the age "to take out everything" already from PRS tongue.gif
sigh.. what kind of Q is that.. doh.gif

QUOTE(sylar111 @ Oct 1 2014, 02:30 PM)
Yeah. Damn. To me, this so called annuity plan is really a good way to benefit those mutual fund company.
If not for this tax rebate, they will not get such free reign.
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Ahem.. U still seem to be lost about
annuity plan (from insurers)
VS
PRS (from fund houses and they're like a type of mutual fund with T&C)

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post Oct 1 2014, 04:29 PM

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QUOTE(sylar111 @ Oct 1 2014, 04:14 PM)
Yeah. I do have. I have my investment strategies.

First clue, I dun have to keep everything I have in Malaysia.

Get it?

And I can invest in things that are probably crash proof or at least protects me.
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Different strokes for different folks (and scenarios) thumbup.gif

PRS is definitely useful for me - its tax relief, 0% service charges (if from certain fund houses) and can take out with T&C
Thus far (2 years) - Hwang's PRS Growth - been kind to me, 7%pa+/- (excluding the 26% tax relief which was invested in other stuff),
and it's a way to get into overseas equities "cheaply" + "bit by bit small potatoes approach" ($3K a year, ok lar)

Main things i was trying to get across are:
a. PRS <> Annuities
b. PRS has its usage in certain investors' portfolio depending on....
c. PRS isn't a magic bullet, neither is it a "dog" outright
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post Oct 1 2014, 04:34 PM

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QUOTE(supersound @ Oct 1 2014, 04:33 PM)
Only consider PRS if they can promise you with black and white that every year will be giving you minimum 10% of dividend. The unit bought at rm1, shall be sell back at rm1, like ASW, ASM.
Else just stick the money back in EPF.
Don't just because of to get rm780 of "rebet" and lose out more later on.
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Another mis-informed soul?
EPF <> PRS
EPF $ cannot be taken out to do PRS investing
CASH is used for PRS investing, of which one gets tax relief for up to RM3K.
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post Nov 26 2014, 08:08 AM

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QUOTE(truelife @ Nov 26 2014, 05:17 AM)
Affin Hwang Aiiman PRS used to be a shining star last year. But this year the fund performance is weak, even if compared with Affin Hwang Growth PRS and Affin Hwang Moderate PRS. Any comments?
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Google "reversion to mean" or "return to mean" - the dangers of chasing "performance" or yearly "best-est" funds (and possibly stocks).
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post Dec 4 2014, 08:48 AM

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QUOTE(tnang @ Dec 3 2014, 09:42 PM)
2 years 6k, only 2 ratus
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I've put in $6K too, net profit $356+
However, if i take into account WHEN i put in VS yesterday's NAV value - it's 6.07%pa.
Ok lar given that MY & some other countries' markets fell 2%+ on last Fri - this Wed.

U expecting how much %pa?
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post Dec 4 2014, 09:28 AM

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QUOTE(David83 @ Dec 4 2014, 08:56 AM)
Min IRR is 8% for me!  rclxms.gif
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I think "impact-wise", yr IRR returns more than that if taking tax relief into account
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post Dec 16 2014, 11:51 AM

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QUOTE(tnang @ Dec 15 2014, 09:07 PM)
Aggresive fund?
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Hwang PRS Growth Fund
By PRS definition, yup "Aggressive"
Me - i just wanted foreign exposure sweat.gif
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post Jun 22 2015, 07:02 PM

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Jun 22 2015, 11:00 AM)
wow! Like this ar..... I think I will have better luck getting a mufti to approve a brothel business license than this lor.....
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this is Malaysia - anything pun boleh lar bro
U scratch my back, i scratch your back biz - straight from the playbook of the fellow
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post Jun 26 2015, 04:11 PM

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Jun 26 2015, 02:56 PM)
cry.gif  cry.gif  cry.gif  Xuzen merajuk... tak nak fren you anymore.

My point was CASA is the most basic banking service and the first banking instrument for transaction and / or remittance of  money, if RM 250.00 pun tadak...  doh.gif  shakehead.gif  shakehead.gif
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come come, dont merajuk
uncle play CashFlow 101 & 202 (Lobak KeyOhSaki game) with U ar..
easy to learn that CASA still needed and a solid base to start all other financial freedom movements. laugh.gif
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post Nov 14 2015, 05:15 PM

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PIDM
$5K
heheh.. i think someone may be confused with SSPN?

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post Dec 19 2015, 08:58 PM

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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Dec 19 2015, 08:37 PM)
For protection ok lor... But not for growing money
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The FORCE is strong in this one.. tongue.gif
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post Dec 22 2015, 08:35 AM

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QUOTE(cempedaklife @ Dec 22 2015, 07:40 AM)
If you see ppa talk about PRS withdrawal, it says retirement age, not age 55. So.....
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it is now stated as 55 for the threshold to withdraw without penalties cry.gif

used to be 50 previously right?
if so.. urgh.. they doing to PRS like what they want to do to EPF (push the age further)
luckily 8% ok lar, let them whack BUT only can withdraw from A/C B which holds only 30%

http://www.ppa.my/prs/about-prs/prs-scheme-features/
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post Jan 6 2016, 02:17 PM

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Jan 6 2016, 02:02 PM)
It was 55 y/o since inception date. PRS never shifted the goal post...... "yet".

Xuzen
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eh?
i must have short-circuited my cloudy brains tongue.gif
i was planning to execute PRS even at 50 (to fixed income type) AND next calendar year straight away dispose (ie. Dec do, Jan dispose) - to get the tax relief only heheh

Rumbe nandri Xuzen-ji notworthy.gif
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post Mar 11 2016, 06:28 PM

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Mar 11 2016, 04:44 PM)
community service announcement...
doh.gif newbies to UTs...DON"T be misled by the above statement....
those who knows UTs will know that it is NOT true..... rclxs0.gif
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Failed logic & simple maths kua tongue.gif
It's the gomen''s fault - keeping people illiterate in YingLeash & Muths 😆
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post Jul 13 2016, 11:47 AM

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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Jul 13 2016, 06:53 AM)
Should be AM PRS reits something... Now using phone, hard to search
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U talking about:
AmPRS - Asia Pacific REITs - Class D
?
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post Jul 13 2016, 01:39 PM

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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Jul 13 2016, 01:35 PM)
Yes yes
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AmPRS - Asia Pacific REITs - Class D
er.. shot up 13.43% since 20/01/2016 till 11/07/2016.
Buy high sell higher?
or buy ok / low and sell high?
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post Jul 13 2016, 02:01 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jul 13 2016, 01:47 PM)
Reit recently rally across, especially after Brexit, as the possibilities of further rate hike by Fed become lower, as well as negative yield of Bund, which make reit yield become attractive.

Reit price is always moving inverse with interest rate direction.
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yup but there is NO changes in interest rates
just "expectations of NOT moving up" laugh.gif

dang.. if life was just as simple as Excel worksheets' formulas sweat.gif

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