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SUSDavid83
post Dec 11 2017, 12:35 PM

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QUOTE(hown @ Dec 11 2017, 12:31 PM)
guys. how can i buy this PRS? especially on weekends because i have work on weekdays.
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Find an agent to do for you.
SUSDavid83
post Dec 11 2017, 04:22 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Dec 11 2017, 04:20 PM)
Just open account with FSM or eUT la. Apa agent-agent.  doh.gif doh.gif Make payment the night before you go to work or study.
Next day when you come back,  transaction is fulfilled.
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You need to fill the form for PRS funds especially for first timer.

This post has been edited by David83: Dec 11 2017, 04:39 PM
SUSDavid83
post Dec 14 2017, 10:09 PM

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QUOTE(hown @ Dec 14 2017, 10:08 PM)
dear sifu, im newbie to PRS
so is CIMB-PRINCIPAL PRS PLUS ASIA PACIFIC EX JAPAN EQUITY class c the best?
what is class a about? i cant seem to find it online. what is the advantages of class c over class a?
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Class C, A and X are catering for different sales channel.
SUSDavid83
post Dec 15 2017, 07:09 AM

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QUOTE(hown @ Dec 15 2017, 07:03 AM)
what do u mean by sale channel?
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Retail, Institutional and Corporate.

Class A - Subject to the PRS Provider’s absolute discretion, Class A is for an individual who has
attained the age 18 years as of the date of opening a private pension account.
Class A and Class C have different Sales Charge and Management Fee.

Class C - Subject to the PRS Provider’s absolute discretion, Class C is for an individual who has
attained the age 18 years as of the date of opening a private pension account.
Class A and Class C have different Sales Charge and Management Fee.

Class X - Subject to the PRS Provider’s absolute discretion, Class X is for a Member who
participates via his/her employer and is subject to a minimum of 200 participating
employees per employer or 50 participating employees under payroll deduction per
employer.
Class X has no Sales Charge.

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SUSDavid83
post Jan 7 2018, 02:50 PM

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QUOTE(Khizamaro88 @ Jan 7 2018, 01:31 PM)
Is this best time to enter prs fund?wasnt the price too high to enter?i’m noobie..thank you..
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Since you're only going to withdraw at the age of 55, this won't be a big concern.
SUSDavid83
post Jan 11 2018, 04:53 PM

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Jan 11 2018, 04:38 PM)
Many people have this misconception in mind:

Let say you deposited MYR 6,000.00 into SSPN-I on 31st of Dec 2017. Your tax rate is 24.5%. You get instant MYR 1,470.00 tax relief... yay  thumbsup.gif

On 2nd Jan 2018, you withdraw RM 6,000.00 from SSPN-I, thinking you get an instant gratification of MYR 1,470.00 right?

Yes and No.

Yes, if this is the only time you want to get the tax relief and have no intention to get the 2018 tax relief in future.

No, if you want to get also the 2018 tax relief.

How so?

So, in 2018, let's say you repeat the same process, that is to say, you deposited another MYR 6,000.00 on 31st Dec 2018 hoping to withdraw again the MYR 6,000.00 and get the tax relief.

Sorry, to tell you, you will get zero tax relief.

How so? The calculation is as such:

Jumlah deposit pada tahun 2018 di tolak dengan jumlah pengeluaran di tahun 2018:

MYR 6,000.00 deposited on 31st Dec 2018 minus MYR 6,000.00 withdrew on 1st of Jan 2018 = MYR 0.00

MYR 0.00 x 24.5% = MYR 0.00 tax relief for 2018
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Get it?

Xuzen
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I thought the relief is given to tabungan bersih = net saving; i.e fresh fund.

They calculate in such manner? hmm.gif
SUSDavid83
post Mar 16 2018, 11:22 AM

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QUOTE(cempedaklife @ Mar 16 2018, 11:21 AM)
Hi, anyone submitted their nomination form to fundsupermart? i submitted months ago, but PPA website still showing not nominated.
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You should check with FSM.
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post Mar 16 2018, 09:43 PM

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QUOTE(AccShopX @ Mar 16 2018, 09:38 PM)
https://www.fundsupermart.com.my/
for those new to trust funds market.
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Since he mentioned that he submitted the form via FSM, he should have checked with FSM instead of us in here.

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post Mar 18 2018, 01:15 PM

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QUOTE(prince_mk @ Mar 18 2018, 01:06 PM)
I top up PRS 3k in 2015 and 3k in 2016. total was 6k. but 0 in 2017
for PRS tax relief, can I key in 3k ?? any advise. TQ
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Of course NO!
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post Mar 18 2018, 01:30 PM

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QUOTE(prince_mk @ Mar 18 2018, 01:25 PM)
but for SSPN, it will take the outstanding balance.

can i just print the statement and claim the prs tax relief. act stupid can ah ?
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Who told you that for SSPN, they take the outstanding balance for tax relief purpose.

For SSPN, you need to use net deposit (tabungan bersih) NOT the balance of the starting year of assessment.
Meaning, each you need to deposit a fresh fund in order to claim for tax relief.

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post Mar 18 2018, 01:34 PM

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QUOTE(prince_mk @ Mar 18 2018, 01:32 PM)
oooic...oh my god...how abt me ? i din top up prs last year.

can use any trick ?
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No trick.
PRS is tied to your PPA account.
If they want to audit, it's so easy to access your PRS statement from PPA.
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post Mar 18 2018, 01:38 PM

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QUOTE(prince_mk @ Mar 18 2018, 01:35 PM)
so far they audited me. i just print the annual statement from PPA and submitted to them. so far okay.
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It's your decision. I'm not influencing you.
I'm stating the fact.
Those auditors are human; they may overlook too.

Anyhow, I should say that PRS annual statement is a consolidated statement which doesn't break to contribution year.
The consolidated statement only breaks down to PRS provider and Fund level.
For tax relief purpose, you should use the annual statement from the PRS provider/fund house.

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post Apr 2 2018, 10:05 PM

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Did anybody receive email from PPA titled "PRS Online Enrolment" 2 days ago?

The email is basically blank.
When I clicked on it, the link it directed to is also down.
Wondering what is the email about?
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post Apr 4 2018, 10:00 AM

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QUOTE(xcxa23 @ Apr 4 2018, 09:58 AM)
I'm a still confused about the prs thingy even after reading at ppa site

Now I already got acc with fsm for buying fund and from my understanding still nd to open prs account right?
Open thru fsm or ppa site?
And then buy prs fund thru fsm? Ppa? Fund hs?

As for the incentive, my understanding is invest 1k get back 1k for those under 30 age and it will credited to the prs account?
Can I withdraw the incentive or reinvest the 1k?
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If your PPA account is created, you should have letter form PPA.
Alternative, call/email to check on your account creation status.
They're very friendly. I contacted them before.

P/S: FSM is just a middlemen.
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post Jun 20 2018, 10:50 PM

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QUOTE(mephyll @ Jun 20 2018, 10:44 PM)
Invest in 2 PRS funds? There are annual charge per fund isnt? Worth ke? I just focus 1 PRS fund..
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If no contribution made to that particular PRS fund in a calendar year, no AF of RM 8 will be charged.
You can focus on PRS fund A this year and another PRS fund B next year.
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post Aug 25 2018, 11:58 PM

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QUOTE(final @ Aug 25 2018, 11:57 PM)
UT stands for?
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Unit Trust or Mutual Fund
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post Sep 20 2018, 07:06 PM

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mekboyz PRS = UT/MF in EPF way

UT=unit trust
MF=mutual fund

Since FM doesn't want to re-invent the wheel, they mainly feed the contribution from PRS fund to existing UT/MF under their products offering.
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post Sep 20 2018, 07:38 PM

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QUOTE(annoymous1234 @ Sep 20 2018, 07:37 PM)
Do u guys know where to find my referral number for referral? I can't find it on prs site and cimb, is it coz I open with bank so I don't have referral?
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What referral number?
Or you meant your PPA account number?
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post Sep 21 2018, 02:51 PM

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QUOTE(mekboyz @ Sep 21 2018, 02:42 PM)
har... but why the contribution is locked like EPF then? only can withdraw upon retirement age etc..
i thought the incentive/dividend will pay out every year end and compound like EPF..

then how to earn thru this PRS?
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Work like EPF:

1.Long term investment solely for retirement purpose.
2. Divide into 2 accounts: Account I (A) or II (B).
3. Withdrawal at the age of 55
4. Tax relief up for 10 years till YA2021

Intrinsically it is still a unit trust or mutual fund

1. Gain through NAV appreciation
2. Income distribution (dividend) is meaningless (money out from left pocket goes back to right pocket
3. Income distribution could be annual or incidental (read/refer to the fund datasheet)

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post Sep 21 2018, 03:13 PM

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QUOTE(mekboyz @ Sep 21 2018, 03:11 PM)
erm is it like this:

I buy 1k units at rm1; so RM1000 currently in my PRS account

but there is no dividend end of year?

NAV can go down right? means at 55 i may have less than rm1k?
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Yes.
But seldom UT will end up like that after 20 to 30 years.

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