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SUSDavid83
post Dec 23 2016, 09:31 AM

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QUOTE(familyfirst @ Dec 23 2016, 09:07 AM)
PM's PRS is not performing.  I did it first year then subsequent years buy into other funds.  You can top up into other funds directly via logging on to your own PPA account.  Try it.  Forget PM for this prs fund.
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Can top up from PPA website? blink.gif
SUSDavid83
post Dec 23 2016, 03:53 PM

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QUOTE(MiKE7LIM @ Dec 23 2016, 03:49 PM)
just went to BandarUtama Ambank ...quite lansi the Sales...

i asking if possible to put in RM900....then she said so far only do RM3K case...zzZzzz

dont even bother to check for me the min ...just said is 1K...

right now got promo... sales charge 1%

Ambank claim that Najib 2017 announcement on PRS incentive RM1K is not confirm  rclxub.gif
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If Dewan Rakyat approves the Budget 2017, then once gazatted, it'll be confirmed.
Otherwise, AmBank claim will be valid.
SUSDavid83
post Dec 29 2016, 08:17 AM

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QUOTE(ssl_lim @ Dec 28 2016, 11:21 PM)
Hi sifu here

I jz activated fsm account today. If I purchase fund via fsm before Friday, still can entitled tax release by 2016?
What fund modetate risk can suggest to me? smile.gif
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To buy from FSM, there's a cut off time. It has been stated in the main page. Do refer accordingly.
As long as PPA captures the transaction, then you'll be entitled for the tax relief.
SUSDavid83
post Jan 16 2017, 09:13 AM

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QUOTE(imnotabot @ Jan 16 2017, 09:12 AM)
I think it's better to use FSM because of the 0% sales charge. The only downside is that you have to mail the forms to them. Just make sure you fill the forms correctly according to the samples they provided and attach the required documents, or they will call you a few days later and ask you to send them a new one again. This happened to me a few days ago because I filled the forms using blue ink, which is not allowed. tongue.gif
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Convenient comes with price.

SUSDavid83
post Jan 21 2017, 06:34 AM

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QUOTE(ic no 851025071234 @ Jan 21 2017, 01:15 AM)
This 1 buy from FSM can claim income tax? How to proof when get audit?
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You'll get annual statement from CIMB Principal and PPA.
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post Feb 2 2017, 06:48 PM

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QUOTE(AbangCorp @ Feb 2 2017, 06:25 PM)
Nobody knows, sorry.

Arguably, KWSP have been there for I donno how long. The government is there almost 50 over years.
Most of UTMC, company that sell Unit Trust is as old as 30 +- years.
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The Malaysian EPF was established in 1951.

URL: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Employees_Pro...Fund_(Malaysia)
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post Feb 3 2017, 04:54 PM

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QUOTE(Drian @ Feb 3 2017, 04:19 PM)
What I'm afraid is they stop the relief and then all the fund providers stop proactively managing it because it's no longer profitable/no new funds coming in.
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The tax relief given is lower than SSPN of RM 6k yearly.
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post Feb 7 2017, 07:55 AM

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QUOTE(lifebalance @ Feb 6 2017, 11:08 PM)
AIA funds in the past 3 years for PRS doing pretty well for the growth, moderate and conservative fund

Just get it for the income tax deduction
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See avatar also you have a biased post even others in here are not satisfied with its performance.
If you want to defend, you should share some data.
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post Feb 7 2017, 08:17 AM

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QUOTE(lifebalance @ Feb 7 2017, 08:13 AM)
Am I defending a point here or am I even drawing any conclusion?

I'm merely just making a statement.  Get your facts right

I do not even know what kind of expectation others have for our fund. Nor did I engage them to find out what kind of % return are they looking for. Some people get 7% and still say it sucks. Even if 15% some still say sucks.

And before you start accusation just because I'm affiliated with a company. I am not even selling anything in here in the first place and how can that be even biased?

Please la if you are pissed and you want to start an argument, make sure you ask it in a nice way rather than poking in words like see your avatar, biased. Coming from an Elite tag is unacceptable.

As for whatever facts you want to read, all these info are available publicly in the Internet. It's not that hard to just Google up AIA PRS fund. And for now I do not have the time to entertain on proving whatsoever that AIA is better because that's not what I came here in the first place.

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Your statement "3 years for PRS doing pretty well for the growth, moderate and conservative fund".

Based on what? Figures you plucked from the Heaven.

That statement is definitely an indirect marketing.


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post Feb 7 2017, 08:25 AM

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The objective of PRS to supplement to EPF.
Its annualized return should match or better than EPF.
An annualized return of 5 to 6% consistently throughout the span of 20 to 30 years is not even defined to be greedy of given the rising of cost of living every year and diminishing of purchasing power of MYR.
One shouldn't look at the short term gain.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

This post has been edited by David83: Feb 7 2017, 08:28 AM
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post Feb 7 2017, 08:36 AM

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[attachmentid=8464934]

Fund Name Annualised Returns 3 yr Annualised Volatility(%)
AIA PAM - Conservative Fund 3.37% 1.94
AIA PAM - Moderate Fund 4.77% 4.9
AIA PAM - Islamic Moderate Fund 3.63% 5.31
AIA PAM - Growth Fund 5.34% 6.01

Enjoy. Benchmark against 4% and 8% annualized return.
Use it diligently with proper discretionary measures.


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post Feb 7 2017, 11:06 AM

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QUOTE(asimov82 @ Feb 7 2017, 10:29 AM)
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most of the fund I know are benchmark against invested equity market index, except some using annualized return benchmark.

for fair comparison, we should include the KLCI index as well, and here is what the number try to tell us:
FBM KLCI -2.02% 8.02

1. if you (100%) invest in local stock market like KLCI index fund, after 3 yrs you get negative return with 8% volatility.
2. PRS core fund structure of equity/bond is designed such a way to reduce volatility and smooth out the longterm return through up-and-down cycle.
3. example core growth fund (70%) reduce volatility to 6%, yet get 5% positive annualized return.
4. you can choose to lower the volatility further to 5%, with core moderate fund (60%), still get 4% positive annualized return.
5. if you are at the end of your investment plan and going to cash out soon, core conservative fund (20%) will give lowest volatility of 2%, which give you the enhanced fixed income return of 3%.

PRS is design in a way that you still need have some DIY effort over the default core fund:
step 1. age before 40: core growth fund
step 2. age 40-50: core moderate fund
step 3. age after 50: core conservative fund

unless we have introduce "PRS core target date fund" which will auto the three steps for you.
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That is what majority of funds are being using. Benchmark against KLCI or some other indices.
But as for PRS funds, benchmark against KLCI is not accurate IMHO because PRS funds are supposed to supplement to EPF and is hoping to match or beat EPF returns. Otherwise, it is just a redundant of existing funds in the market.

Just my two cents.
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post Feb 27 2017, 07:03 PM

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What a coincidence that all my PRS funds IRR is at 6.8% as of last Friday NAV:

Fund Name ROI (%) IRR (%)
Affin Hwang PRS Moderate Fund 24.0 6.8
Kenanga OnePRS Growth Fund 16.3 6.8
CIMB-Principal PRS Plus Asia Pacific Ex Japan Equity - Class C 13.2 6.8
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post Mar 6 2017, 11:36 AM

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I have asked FSM about this.
FSM won't issue annual statement for PRS funds.
PRS funds are directly under your name.
PRS provider will issue annual statement to you.
I believe PPA also has its own annual statement thingy.
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post Mar 8 2017, 12:47 PM

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QUOTE(ultimate93 @ Mar 8 2017, 12:43 PM)
Hi guys, newbie here have a noob question

Want to ask all master and sifu, will the distribution taken into consideration while choosing a fund?

TQ!
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No.
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post Mar 16 2017, 05:54 PM

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QUOTE(virgoguy @ Mar 16 2017, 03:41 PM)
I saw CIMB-Principal PRS Plus Asia Pacific Ex Japan Equity got many category
class C , class X, class A. What's the different between them? I read the descriptions all are identical.
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Class C for retail inventors.

Not sure either A or X is for institutions.
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post Mar 22 2017, 05:49 PM

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QUOTE(hustlerism @ Mar 22 2017, 05:26 PM)
So if i want to open PRS account, dont open it under Public Mutual?
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All PRS funds are regulated by PPA.
You need to have an account with PPA first.
Normal PRS providers will help you to create one if you buy a PRS fund from them.
PRS is just like EPF but working mechanism is like UT.

This post has been edited by David83: Mar 22 2017, 05:51 PM
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post Mar 22 2017, 06:44 PM

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QUOTE(hustlerism @ Mar 22 2017, 06:34 PM)
Noob question, do we need to contribute each month?
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Not. It's up to you!
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post Mar 27 2017, 07:53 AM

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QUOTE(allenpee85 @ Mar 27 2017, 07:50 AM)
Just wondering.

Option 1- PRS
If I opt for PRS, I only manage to get all my investment after 55. Since this is no guarantee income coz depend on market. I may end up loss the money after retirement.

Option 2-Non PRS
I buy the fund by using fundsupermart, and I can withdraw my money anytime after reaching my profit target and before the market is collapse (assume). In the event for emergency, I can withdraw money immediately.

Above situation assuming that I do not entitled any incentives with age above 30.

Please provide any input and share your opinion.
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Most of us have a combo of Option 1 & Option 2 or perhaps more than that including other kinds of financial investment instruments.

But majority of us go for Option 1 with min required investment capital/amount solely for tax relief purpose.
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post Mar 28 2017, 06:36 AM

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QUOTE(allenpee85 @ Mar 28 2017, 05:40 AM)
Can know that 3k of tax relief equal to?
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It depends on your tax bracket.

Read "Below is an example on tax relief." at
https://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...s-Benefits-2965

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