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Jan 14 2015, 02:41 PM
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Unboxed my Cabana sink today and was truly upset to find out it is dented. I am also extremely disappointed with Builders Hardware for refusing to take responsibility. I bought a smaller and cheaper sink before this elsewhere, and it was perfectly fine. Why pay much more to get a dented sink?
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Jan 15 2015, 10:53 AM
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I admit that I didn't examine it 100% when I collect the sink from BH. We were told to look through to see if there are scratches. Even BH experienced workers (included Zheilwane himself) didn't notice the dent when they gave us the product. Plus it was rainy day and dark during the checking, outside the shop.
The dent is only visible when I remove the blue plastic cover (sticking on the hole), under a proper lighting. Upon brought back from BH, the sink was properly kept in my store room (not with contractor), until I unboxed it yesterday and found the dent. No one has contact with the sink before this. Zheilwane's diagram above further proved it is impossible to create an outward dent, even a human sit on it. Plus, the box is still in a perfect condition. Hence, this is proven is it the manufacturer's defect. My mom has been using her sink for 30 years plus pouring hot water on it.. but not a single minor dent till today. Unless the sink is made from plastic. Normal human strength will not be able to create a dent. Thus, it was very obvious that this is the product's defect. No point forcing me to fork out $$ to buy a new sink. I sincerely hope BH will provide a better after-sales-service by bringing this matter to their supplier. |
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Jan 15 2015, 03:24 PM
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Since it is proven manufacturer’s defect, why customers need to pay again? Why customers are to be penalized which is not our fault?
Plus, the sink is not cheap. But, the quality is cheapo. Stop telling me to pay again and buy a new sink. You may want to earn $$ but this is not the way. |
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Jan 15 2015, 04:04 PM
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During the checking, it was at the corridor on a dark & rainy day. And definitely not under a well-lighted light as shown in the photo above. Hence, it is not a valid comparison.
Since your diagram has proven that no one can damage the sink from outside the box, how can you point your finger and said it was damaged by me? Plus, I can prove the box is still in a perfect condition. Again, as I have said, the sink was properly kept in my store room (locked) and no one has touched it. The only ones touched it included BH workers who moved it to the car. But, we never accuse BH workers as how we were taught to accuse my contractor. We just hope BH will take liability of this matter. Instead of wasting time here, to show you are an angel, why not just help us to talk to your supplier? p/s: my contractor now is unsure that the cheapo sink is still usable or will cause leakage at the dented area. This post has been edited by YomiEe: Jan 15 2015, 04:07 PM |
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Jan 15 2015, 04:47 PM
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QUOTE(ale8si @ Jan 15 2015, 04:35 PM) seems to me the damage caused by Hi ale8si,1) forcefully screwing the waste onto the sewage drain pipe despite huge gap. in this case need to make sure the gap not too big, coz changing another new sink will suffer the same fate. 2) some kids step on the hole gap, unlikely scenario I think. Thanks for the info, those given scenario might cause the dent, but not for our case because the sink is not even get to be installed, saw the dent when unpack the box |
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Jan 15 2015, 05:12 PM
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QUOTE(kimsim @ Jan 15 2015, 04:49 PM) To decide buy S/S sink, how to check the overall? I was thinking what about what causes the dent too.. the box is still perfectly fine. So, I suspect it should be dented during the manufacturing process.1. Walk in showroom and knock the steel thickness and try turn to bottom part and see that quality of made. 2. Normal stainless steel can be get rust in future also selling cheaper, if accidently something drop from higher also can easily dent. 3. S/S grade 304 much higher price and better made, but also got certain thickness, even knock the sound very soild. 4. If that grade 304 when during shipping can be dent, then that is another story, must be big impact drop from height or kids jumping up & down into box. What I understood from BH last time, the thickness is 1.0mm, when knock on it, sound seems solid, some might feel not enough solid ... as for the grade, I am not too sure It is Cabana CKS 4534 for your info This post has been edited by YomiEe: Jan 15 2015, 05:52 PM |
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Jan 16 2015, 09:20 AM
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Jan 16 2015, 09:53 AM
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QUOTE(weikee @ Jan 15 2015, 07:46 PM) Not possible if the box don't show any damage. Furthermore to compress curved 1mm stainless steel sure need some massive compression. Indeed, in fact the box was secured in car to ensure the box is not moving around while I driving it back to home ... Unless I caught in serious car accident and shouldn't be able to comment here And the box is in perfect condition, just the blue foil got abit "wrinkle" which is normal after you opened it and put it back while inspecting it at BH |
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Jan 16 2015, 10:04 AM
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QUOTE(zheilwane @ Jan 15 2015, 08:42 PM) if due to car breaking, it will bend inwards, wont b like this. As explained, from the shape of the bend, it could only be caused when the sink is unboxed. That is why i suspected it was damaged by the contractor or installer, bt he insisted that he unbox with the contractor, so dont know how to trace the cause of the damage. It could possibly be some1 accidentally stepped on it or something heavy drop on it when the box is open. Previously, he did mention "The dent is only visible when I remove the blue plastic cover (sticking on the hole)", so i suppose some1 accidentally damage it but use the blue plastic to cover it and close the box back. As per my photo, the blue plastic is sticking on the sink protecting it rather than just covering the hole. Zheilwane, the hole I meant is the entire sink hole, not the drainage hole, sorry for the confusion. Yes, the blue foil is still covering the hole (or top), same place where we place it back after inspection at your shop’s corridor.Anyway, i already forwarded the photo to my supplier without telling them any stories and they say it is not a defect, cant claim. I really hope this reply is from your supplier, not yourself. From the photo, it is obvious, NO SCRATCH at the dented area. Human’s hand might not be strong enough to create a serious dent. If someone/ me use a tool with strong force to bang on it, how come no scratches can be seen? Make sense here? p/s: higher resolution photo can also be provided if required |
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Jan 16 2015, 11:36 AM
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QUOTE(ale8si @ Jan 16 2015, 11:17 AM) another 370 mystery...? nope, those are not exist in my car either ... hopefully someone can solve this mysteryjust braking alone ofcourse wouldnot cause that. but if ssecured withsome heavy objects like a few carton of tiles then the picture might be different. else some1 of 60 kg above . stepped along its long plane. such incidents might reveal some stress line along the part connecting the 2 bowls. good case study for further experiment between 1.0 n 1.2 sink |
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Jan 16 2015, 01:25 PM
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QUOTE(zheilwane @ Jan 16 2015, 12:22 PM) We did open the blue foil for you to check and it was in good condition, something definitely have happened that caused that dent. It wouldnt make sense to say the 1mm thickness sink bend by itself. Many possible reasons that could cause a dent without scratches FYI, I am using smartphone, not the Nokia 3310 which is strong enough to create a dent. 1) some1 stepped on it 2) A hammer with a rubber head or rubber hand grip http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR...16Zszz8A0j_26sg 3) hand phone with rubber casing 4) Measurement tape (big ones used by contractors are quite heavy) http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ...da-eE3oaDzie79Q Why I purposely buy a soft hammer to dent it and have to take the trouble to call you/ solve it now? As I said, upon taking back from your shop, no one has ever touched it, until it was unboxed together with the contractor. Now, you can even say my store room got ghost. Stop giving more excuses. It is shown that you refuse to take responsibility or to help. Pleassseeee stop accusing me! |
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