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post Oct 10 2005, 12:36 AM

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The Kampfer was designed as a high speed shock attack MS with a high load of conventional firepower, but sacrificing operational time and armor. Against a heavily armored NT1, it probably stood little chance  Gundam lore is full of stories of amateurs fending off/subdueing more experienced enemies on the strength of overwhelming technological superiority 


Attually the Kampfer could have won if it had forseen all the suprise that Alex was hiding. At First Mikail thought that the chain mines would kill Alex off but underestimate the Chobahm armor capbility, then charging in with a beam saber well since he though alex was unarm but then a Chain gun pop out from the Hand.
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post Oct 10 2005, 07:53 AM

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Just asking, can I get the older series from lowyat DCC hub??
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QUOTE(redeye84 @ Oct 10 2005, 12:36 AM)
Attually the Kampfer could have won if it had forseen all the suprise that Alex was hiding. At First Mikail thought that the chain mines would kill Alex off but underestimate the Chobahm armor capbility, then charging in with a beam saber well since he though alex was unarm but then a Chain gun pop out from the Hand.
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oh yeah, Alex's pop-up gatling....
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QUOTE(Demon_Eyes_Kyo @ Oct 10 2005, 07:53 AM)
Just asking, can I get the older series from lowyat DCC hub??
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that depends on whether people in there wanna share it out. you can try out the anime hubs in DC++


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post Oct 10 2005, 04:37 PM

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The truth about Kira's No kill Policy...< <

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The side effect of Dying in space in a half broken MS
The side effect of a half broken MS blowing up
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post Oct 10 2005, 04:41 PM

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Why Kira is the main character
A. Because he has the "main" character face
http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/1381/1128793664030.jpg

B. Because of Popular Vote
http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/268/1128793722396.jpg

MaiGainer
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Kira x Asuran *Possible offensive*
http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/7195/1128814005589.jpg
http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/8715/1128814154158.jpg


Meiryn?
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Crayon Shin Destiny
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Cha?
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Char and Char?
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SD Gundam Piloting another SD Gundam
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Ganbare Chronicle
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Fray?
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Nor girl in EA uniform
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Blastor Tekkaman Blade wallpaper
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Random MS Girl
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Random Junks
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Haman and Quebley wallpaper
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Sazabi and Nightangale
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post Oct 10 2005, 05:34 PM

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Wah nice pics there except the Kira and Athrun one OMG it is obscene pic and the Crayon Shin Chan is a WTF with a capital W

The kira no kill policy is kinda funny, Yeah u may spare their life just to let them face a more slower form of death...

Can anyone transalate the Frey part./

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post Oct 10 2005, 05:58 PM

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QUOTE(redeye84 @ Oct 10 2005, 05:34 PM)

Can anyone transalate the Frey part./
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it's difficult to translate without context. the last sentence is incomplete:
..."just kidding!"
"...the real place is...."
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post Oct 10 2005, 07:14 PM

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Just have to clear a few things up before the ignorance gets inherited:

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Because I have too much free time, here's what's so bad about the ending:
- FRAWLESS VIKTOLY!
- The battles are so one sided, it's not even funny. Destiny Shinn didn't fight at his best capacity, SF and IJ pwned everyone too easily, Rey just stood there like a brick for Kira's multi spam funnel attack to hit him
- Lacus going SEED by sitting her ass on the commander's seat
- Rey's sudden 180' change without much explanation ("omg, I, Rey, as a person who's been a loyal supporter for Dullindal's wonderful Destiny plan throughout the whole 49 episodes, would suddenly have my IQ dropped to 10 because Kira gave me his wonderful "NO U!" debate, and I would shoot at Dullindal just because of a stupid 3 minute conversation between dully and Kira, with kira saying "NO U NO U NO U!" all along!"
- Nobody dies! (usually in Gundam series, you're supposed to expect some guy dying in the end, or some great battle being fought, where everyone's units are damaged to some degree, but noooo, in GSD, everyone must survive, even the grunts, because despite spamming the whole battlefield with missles and beams, METEORS would never kill anything)
- Messiah's shield *magically* disappears
- The entire Minerva crew got screwed. They all went out like punks. Even if you were to argue that they were the bad guys(which I don't think they are, just saying), usually the bad guys actually do something. For example, the Druggies put up one hell of a fight, Azrael killed Mwu(BWAHAAHA) and got Natarle killed, and Rau killed Fllay.
- No 2km long Wings of Light attack by Destiny >_> (after all the hype built up about Destiny having similarities with V2, I was rather expecting Shinn doing some crazy shit like overloading the beam wings thingy to perform an attack/defence barrier or something like what Usso did)


1) Flawless victory? Was it? The victory came at the loss of many lives, though not from the main cast. Many Zakus and M1s were destroyed, no?

2) Shinn and Rey weren't beaten without reason. And it's not as if Shinn was sure about his purpose in aiding ZAFT anyway.

3) SEED does not just come about from combat. SEED can be invoked in many ways:

"SEED mode represents the ability for an individual with the SEED factor to enter into a state of enhanced awareness and peak physical ability. While in this state, the person (usually a mobile suit pilot, but not necessarily) demonstrates heightened reflexes and extremely quick information processing. This ability is usually triggered by extreme situations or from recalling significant traumas, often arising out of a need to protect someone else in a critical situation." -- Wikipedia

4) Rey's only reason for helping Dullindal was to build a future. In Hiro's fansubbed version, Rey told Dullindal after he shot him: "I'm sorry. He..., he hopes for a better tomorrow..., so..."

If he sees that Kira's future is what he wants, then that's who he'll help. Before that, Rey was already told that he can be who he wants to be, not just carry on Rau's ideals.

5) Again, many people died, although not from the main cast. Talia died, Dullindal died, Rey died. What? Did you expect Fukuda to kill off Kira, Athrun or Shinn when he's already planning for a sequel?

6) Messiah's shield was the same technology as those anti-beam shields found on Destiny, Strike Freedom, etc. Those shields can be penetrated by physical objects. Freedom was a physical object, as was Rey's Dragoons. That's why Rey's Dragoons can penetrate it, and Strike Freedom could go up close to Messiah to cut it into pieces(he didn't shoot at it, did he?)

7) Minerva's crew was "special", just as ArchAngel was in SEED. They're a sort of main characters. Did you not notice that ArchAngel's crew like Murrue and Sai were given less air time than Minerva's crew? You don't e

8) Destiny's "wings" are really Mirage Colloid particles sprayed around to cause confusion in the eyes and targetting systems of the enemy. That's why there's that wierd sound when it moves around and the movement is blurred.

Anyway, I appreciate your attempts at explaining. It certainly goes further than just screaming "ZOMG! GSD SUX! LOLOLOLOL!!!111111" like all the others have done.

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annndddd this nonsense anime goes on....

btw, i am still amazed how Mwu is still alive. didn't in GS his MS been shot till there's no piece's left of it? how can suddenly he alive again in GSD? if somehow his MS still there and manage to protect him, wouldn't Muurue the one that will look after him, instead of EA? after all she is his lover. but no, she goes on fighting the war and when over say congrats to Kira while her lover floating around in space?

and not forgetting Rey, who is clone of Kluuze and also got some of his memory. why Rey has no hatred towards Mwu at all? Kluuze is after all the enemy no.1 of Mwu the in GS. wouldn't Rey atleast have little thought of revenge towards Mwu?


In the GS series, when Strike was blasted into bits, you could see Mwu's helmet floating in space. Fukuda decided that wasn't what he wanted, and in the GS movies, the helmet bit was removed. His MS doesn't need to be there to protect him. His suit is as good a space suit already, as suggested by Athrun opening Aegis' cockpit in space to receive Lacus, and Kira floating around at the end of it all. Murrue wouldn't be the one to take care of him, since she thought he was gone for good. As such, EA took him in, since he was Mwu La Flaaga, the Hawk of Endymion, one of EA's best assets. He just needs his memory erased, that's all.

Rey does not have the memory of Kluuze. He just knows bits and pieces of his life, that's all. It isn't enough to arouse hatred in someone. For example, you heard from another friend that one of your friends hate another person you know. Will you start hating this person too? Highly doubtful, unless you have something wrong, or just like hating people for the sake of it.

There, I'm done at clearing it all up.
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post Oct 10 2005, 10:50 PM

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QUOTE(dothackRAVE @ Oct 10 2005, 07:14 PM)

In the GS series, when Strike was blasted into bits, you could see Mwu's helmet floating in space. Fukuda decided that wasn't what he wanted, and in the GS movies, the helmet bit was removed.

the helmet part, which mean there's totally no way Mwu can still be alive. the GS movie, compilation off all episode, sure some part will be left out. but you say fukuda don't want Mwu die, so he just modify the story as he like? and that realism to you? what good does bringing Mwu back? satisfying the fanboy? shakehead.gif

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His MS doesn't need to be there to protect him. His suit is as good a space suit already, as suggested by Athrun opening Aegis' cockpit in space to receive Lacus, and Kira floating around at the end of it all.

i know his suit is enough to protect him in space, but what i mean is the MS protect him from the blast. but then again with the helmet is already off, no much protection for him anymore rite? and still he doesn't die shocking.gif

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Murrue wouldn't be the one to take care of him, since she thought he was gone for good. As such, EA took him in, since he was Mwu La Flaaga, the Hawk of Endymion, one of EA's best assets. He just needs his memory erased, that's all.

because he is gone for good, as what the helmet prove it. but Fukuda became god and change the history! my gawd, do you even see how degrading is GSD has become?

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Rey does not have the memory of Kluuze. He just knows bits and pieces of his life, that's all. It isn't enough to arouse hatred in someone. For example, you heard from another friend that one of your friends hate another person you know. Will you start hating this person too? Highly doubtful, unless you have something wrong, or just like hating people for the sake of it.
There, I'm done at clearing it all up.
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maybe Rey know abit, maybe Rey know everything, we'll never know coz GSD didn't dwelve much about Rey thought.
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post Oct 10 2005, 11:30 PM

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QUOTE(dothackRAVE @ Oct 10 2005, 07:14 PM)

5) Again, many people died, although not from the main cast. Talia died, Dullindal died, Rey died. What? Did you expect Fukuda to kill off Kira, Athrun or Shinn when he's already planning for a sequel?
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From the POV of a UC fan at least, I guess one would half expect a tragic, if not gruesome ending for some of the main protagonists in a Gundam story. Even Camille in Z (which GSD most closely resembles) had his brains fried at the end.
That Fukuda did not go that way is understandable perhaps, because he *isn't* of the same mold as kill-em-all Tomino, but a director belonging to a different generation and who therefore, possesses different sensibilities.
Still, in the UC at least, this "tradition" has more or less always been honoured, (even when Tomino sensei was not directing) :
Bernie gets turned into a hamburger in 0080, Shiro Amada loses an arm and a leg in 08MST, even Char and Amuro get vaporized in CCA.
That Shinn/Kira/Athrun escapes a similar fate may be somewhat disappointing to some, and therefore the reaction is not totally unexpected. Gundam (at least in the essence of its original form), depicts the futility of war, and therefore, death of major characters, even the good guys, is almost de-rigeur IMHO

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post Oct 11 2005, 12:33 AM

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but i like Char's counter attack
cos i like Nu-Gundam
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post Oct 11 2005, 12:39 AM

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Crayon Shin Destiny
http://img68.imageshack.us/img68/500/11287401122783tx.png
http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/7891/11287403540489mj.png
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http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/4748/11287401653559zh.jpg
http://img68.imageshack.us/img68/5415/11287363469411fv.jpg

Do tis comic publish in Malaysia...
:drools: interest lea.... <----Crayon Shin fans here
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post Oct 11 2005, 07:19 AM

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Deleted scenes from the anime:

Durandal presents Shinn and Athurn's New MS

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post Oct 11 2005, 11:01 AM

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1) Flawless victory? Was it? The victory came at the loss of many lives, though not from the main cast. Many Zakus and M1s were destroyed, no?

Loss of life? NUES! Didn't you forget the bullshit ability of Freedom/Justice on meteor that could still *magically* disable enemies' MS, instead of killing the pilots? The flawless victory that I mentioned refers to this:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v258/oneupkid/winnar.jpg

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2) Shinn and Rey weren't beaten without reason. And it's not as if Shinn was sure about his purpose in aiding ZAFT anyway.

I know, Shinn and Rey are portrayed as the villains, but instead of going down that easily, they could've at least put up with some kind of real fight with Kira/Athrun and dealing somekind of damage, instead of being pushed around like they're a normal grunt. And I was rather expecting the pair-up of IJxLegend and the rather symbolic DestinyxFreedom. Given the fact that Shinn prefers close quarter combat (and isn't too melee up to the extent of having 8324973216 beam sabres all over its body, like IJ, which explains why Destiny lost to IJ... stupid leg beam sabres >_>), and Legend excells in long range, it would at least be more exciting and harder for Kira/Athrun to win.

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3) SEED does not just come about from combat. SEED can be invoked in many ways:

"SEED mode represents the ability for an individual with the SEED factor to enter into a state of enhanced awareness and peak physical ability. While in this state, the person (usually a mobile suit pilot, but not necessarily) demonstrates heightened reflexes and extremely quick information processing. This ability is usually triggered by extreme situations or from recalling significant traumas, often arising out of a need to protect someone else in a critical situation." -- Wikipedia

1: Don't worship Wikipedia as the source for the ultimate truth. Most of the time, the stuffs in there are beriddled with errors, it's not even funny. (lol any jackass could edit the contents)
2: I don't recall any official information about SEED till this date. So SEED mode would be subjective under anyone's opinion.

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4) Rey's only reason for helping Dullindal was to build a future. In Hiro's fansubbed version, Rey told Dullindal after he shot him: "I'm sorry. He..., he hopes for a better tomorrow..., so..."

Still, it's inconsistant. Throughout all the previous episodes, Rey was an ardent supporter for Dully's plans, and he is convinced to make it a reality. I find it rather ridiculous that a 3 minute conversation between Dully and Kira that doesn't tell much would suddenly make Rey shoot the very father figure of his whom he vehemently supported.

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5) Again, many people died, although not from the main cast. Talia died, Dullindal died, Rey died. What? Did you expect Fukuda to kill off Kira, Athrun or Shinn when he's already planning for a sequel?

That kind of ending would be completely AWESOME. Especially when you consider how great the ending for manga Gundam SEED was:
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Why a sequel based on previous series' characters? Why not *gasp* a whole new set of characters? And what makes you think Dully/Talia/Rey died? Knowing Fukuda, I somehow have a feeling that they aren't really dead (lol Kira didn't die twice, Andy and Sting didn't die, Mwu didn't either) unless you really saw a scene of them bleeding all over the place or something, like Auel.

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6) Messiah's shield was the same technology as those anti-beam shields found on Destiny, Strike Freedom, etc. Those shields can be penetrated by physical objects. Freedom was a physical object, as was Rey's Dragoons. That's why Rey's Dragoons can penetrate it, and Strike Freedom could go up close to Messiah to cut it into pieces(he didn't shoot at it, did he?)

Messiah's shield is an advanced lightwave shield using the rings as emitters. It is NOT a Positrom/Beam Reflector, which is currently an EA exclusice tool.

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7) Minerva's crew was "special", just as ArchAngel was in SEED. They're a sort of main characters. Did you not notice that ArchAngel's crew like Murrue and Sai were given less air time than Minerva's crew?

?_?
I think you missed my point there.

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8) Destiny's "wings" are really Mirage Colloid particles sprayed around to cause confusion in the eyes and targetting systems of the enemy. That's why there's that wierd sound when it moves around and the movement is blurred.

I knew that, I was just really disappointed that the rumored WoL attack/beam barrier thingy didn't happen .I mean, afterall, given the fact that Fukuda could retcon anything that happened (lol Mwu didn't actually die because in the movie his helmet was removed, hinting that he isn't dead!), I wouldn't be surprised if the official information about Destiny's beam wings being changed (something like, Shinn being crafty and overloaded or hacked the OS system to make out a large beam wing that could be used for defence/offence)

Here, have a Lunamaria Clyne (? o_o probably not work safe)
http://img418.imageshack.us/img418/2586/lu...riaclyne0ez.jpg
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And here, the whole doujin (the one with Flay's boobies which I posted just a few posts ago), translated:
http://www.tangowr.net/KiraFlash01.jpg
http://www.tangowr.net/KiraFlash02.jpg
http://www.tangowr.net/KiraFlash03.jpg
http://www.tangowr.net/KiraFlash04.jpg
http://www.tangowr.net/KiraFlash05.jpg
http://www.tangowr.net/KiraFlash06.jpg
http://www.tangowr.net/KiraFlash07.jpg
http://www.tangowr.net/KiraFlash08.jpg
http://www.tangowr.net/KiraFlash09.jpg
http://www.tangowr.net/KiraFlash10.jpg
http://www.tangowr.net/KiraFlash11.jpg
http://www.tangowr.net/KiraFlash12.jpg
http://www.tangowr.net/KiraFlash13.jpg
http://www.tangowr.net/KiraFlash14.jpg
http://www.tangowr.net/KiraFlash15.jpg
http://www.tangowr.net/KiraFlash16.jpg
http://www.tangowr.net/KiraFlash17.jpg
http://www.tangowr.net/KiraFlash18.jpg
http://www.tangowr.net/KiraFlash19.jpg
http://www.tangowr.net/KiraFlash20.jpg
http://www.tangowr.net/KiraFlash21.jpg
http://www.tangowr.net/KiraFlash22.jpg
http://www.tangowr.net/KiraFlash23.jpg
http://www.tangowr.net/KiraFlash24.jpg
http://www.tangowr.net/KiraFlash25.jpg
http://www.tangowr.net/KiraFlash26.jpg

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Buster Pencil Set... would you get one?
http://img425.imageshack.us/img425/5042/11290012509042et.png

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jst finish watching the whole series of Gundam MS 08th team.......MAN it is AWESOME!!!!!!! I love the ending so much....... thumbup.gif thumbup.gif thumbup.gif thumbup.gif thumbup.gif thumbup.gif thumbup.gif
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Just got a news for gundam fanz~
16 Nov - 22 Nov 2005....Gundam Exhibition in Sg Wang.
Cheers~~
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post Oct 11 2005, 06:11 PM

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QUOTE(groundnut @ Oct 11 2005, 05:30 PM)
Just got a news for gundam fanz~
16 Nov - 22 Nov 2005....Gundam Exhibition in Sg Wang.
Cheers~~
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What kind of exhibition? Model kit? (and somehow, I have a feeling that it's gonna suck, badly, what with 10 year olds with itchy hands knocking/touching/shaking at the glass displays... >_>)
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