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 HONDA CIVIC Club V11, My VTEC goes BWAAAAAHH!!!!

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post Aug 7 2012, 09:26 PM

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QUOTE(zenix @ Aug 7 2012, 08:28 PM)
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Autobots, thus auto insurance.

Decepticons, insurance company lari because they always try to scam and are 'Deceptive'.
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post Aug 11 2012, 06:26 AM

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QUOTE(mADmAN @ Aug 11 2012, 01:46 AM)
Skunk2 Billet Battery Tie Down Black Series

basically the battery holder la... like this

this particular unit was bought directly at skunk2's HQ in US... my friend went there in June and brought it back..hahahha
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Nice, my one is the old generation one, brownish bronze colour like the one in your picture, but mine's darker than that. Could be just the camera lighting though. When I bought it, not many people heard of skunk2 yet. Even less knew them by their old name of Skunkworks.

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post Aug 13 2012, 03:05 AM

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QUOTE(ReidenLing @ Aug 12 2012, 06:32 PM)
Damm d...went to Melaka and found out that my tempt are damm freaking high to H....pull aside...use cold water to cool my radiator down,found out lot wet paper got stick on my radiator ....Fan are working fine....city cruising  makes it H...at highway normal tempt middle...and after cool down i check my spare tank water all are gone....
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Possibly got leak if like that. Either that or you had a lot of air in your radiator maybe?

Finally got the K20a swap started, found out that the method of grounding fuel pump will make fuel pump constantly running at key on situation. Might have to figure out a way to use a timer to set it to run constantly ONLY after the engine is running.

BTW, K20AR in EG is insane! Low-mid end torque is still not good as my B20B, but it's still a stock ECU compared to my tuned one, if my friend gets a KPRO, I think I can start wearing gas mask before 'makan asap'. LOL doh.gif

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post Aug 14 2012, 01:34 AM

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QUOTE(unitron @ Aug 13 2012, 07:35 PM)
Why u need to do that? Just curious...
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So you don't run out your battery when engine off and using headlights/other electricals for whatever purpose. It's a small matter if you don't daily drive though.
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post Aug 16 2012, 02:05 AM

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QUOTE(unitron @ Aug 14 2012, 11:14 PM)
ic ic... but u will need the fuel pump to pressurize the fuel lines before u start the car anyway right?

Why u need timer to get it to run constantly only AFTER the engine is running?... a bit confuse..  rclxub.gif
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because it works that way in the original system? Not carburetor era with mechanical pumps le
The timer is for priming (pressurizing the fuel pump)

Anyway, contacted Ktuned. If I want it to prime properly, need to run K-pro, and disable immo, and it will convert the E1 into grounded input with 5 secs prime timer. With stock JDM ecu, this feature is unavailable.
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post Aug 16 2012, 10:26 PM

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QUOTE(unitron @ Aug 16 2012, 02:29 PM)
err..  I think I'm more confused now...  rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif

Luckily didn't have to do anything on the ECU except a/f ratio, ignition and valve timing tuning for my K20A conversion.  biggrin.gif
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Well, this problem with priming is only present when using stock ECU, since you're using K-Pro, you don't have this problem.

I'm not sure if you noticed, but the fuel pump works like this, when on key, engine off, it grounds the fuel pump relay for about 5 secs to pressurize the rail, when you start your engine, the ECU detects your engine is running and grounds the relay indefinitely until you turn your engine off, when engine is running, fuel pump is always running constantly.

Anyway, I think I may be able to use a 555 monostable circuit and two relays (or three?) to create a custom pump prime circuit using a relay to ground the Pin8 on the main relay, and using a secondary to ground when engine is running, triggered by the charge light. Still trying to figure out combine the two so that I save using an extra relay, Another relay is already used a momentary switch, so I have to figure out how to wire the SPDT relay so that I don't have to make it three. Still chicken scratches on paper though. Will see how it works out. Since these are just circuit relays they're the tiny types, not the huge automotive ones.
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post Aug 17 2012, 02:10 AM

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QUOTE(unitron @ Aug 16 2012, 11:07 PM)
No, I'm not using K-pro, my ECU totally NOT compatible with any Hondata stuff. I wish i can use K-pro or the FlashPro, but too bad, cannot.  cry.gif

aha... that make sense.

Instead of using the famous 555 timer (bring back memories from my old college days), why not just use a Microcontroller to do it. An 8-bit microcontroller is more then sufficient, not too sure what signals you gonna need to tap to trigger it. Just a thought.  hmm.gif
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Nice, but my electronics kung fool not so high level to use microcontrollers. Signals are easy, figured it out, like I mentioned above, total cost of so far not exceed RM30 lol. Took a 555 from another timer I had lying around.

Just want to try out my electronics skills really, the fuel pump running all the time is not a problem actually. Going to try out different sections of the circuit tommorow to see how well it works. Had to convert the switched signal to a 1/2 second relay trigger, so it's actually a few seperate circuits combined together on the veroboard. So going to check each one before connecting them all together with 12-14.x V on car tommorow to see if I got the resistance and capacitance right for the 5 secs relay trigger.

Anyway, I'm not sure, but I heard the PRC ecu can't be K-pro-ed as well.

BTW, just curious what management you run?

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post Aug 18 2012, 12:18 AM

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QUOTE(unitron @ Aug 17 2012, 09:55 AM)
My ECU is an even more unheard of one... it's a PNN.

Running using E-manage Ultimate for fuel and ignition tuning with V-manage for valve timing tuning.
If there was a record for the most underpowered K20A in history of engine building and tuning, mine would win hands down.

Well whichever circuitry you are more familiar with to get the job done will do. I'm just more partial to Microcontroller based system since I've more experience with them.
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PNN? Never heard of it lol, using currently is PRC, DC5 ECU.
E-manage eh? What car are you running it on? EG also?
Anyway, from what little I know about the K20a VTC system is that each ECU has it's own VTC map, and it's not similar since different K20a have different VTC limits.

Anyway, not expecting much with this K20a either, my friend just running it stock since it makes B20B power with all stock internals, no need tuning and bother about reliability, just PPAG (put petrol and go) Thinking it will hit 200-210 in stock form.

Running dual O2s as well, with the diag connector intact, so can use OBD scanners as well, just like the new DC5/FD, but on EG body lol.

Already he's talking about ITBs while the car still being built up, but cost of K-pro + ITB not cheap lol. At first say want to run standard, now already going out of control. Dunno who poison lol.

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post Aug 18 2012, 10:25 AM

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QUOTE(unitron @ Aug 18 2012, 12:42 AM)
When I saw PNN the first time.. I was going.. wtfffffff....  ohmy.gif  shocking.gif

Mine an ET.. most will know it as an ES... dunno why the chassis code is ET.

Like I said, i've the most underpowered K20A in history... it's no where near 200. It's better to not even mention it.
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Oh, ES model. you modded in a type R from DC5? or just the stock K20a? The stock K20A in the original ES only had VTC, no cam phasing I think. My cousin got the millenium black limited edition 2.0 ES, I think HP around 160ish.

I think the ET is the local CKD model, like EG, local chassis code is EH, EK = EJ, etc.
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post Aug 18 2012, 06:45 PM

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QUOTE(unitron @ Aug 18 2012, 11:48 AM)
I modded a Type-R head and engine internals from the FD2R. Mine should be the same as your cousin, it was a limited edition 2.0 ES that comes only in black, if not mistaken only 150 units made. But the chassis code is ET1. Just very minor cosmetic differences compared to the ES.

VTC is the same as cam phasing. Basically the 'i' in iVTEC.

Just that the variable advance/retard angles is smaller for stock K20A3 compared to the K20A type-R. Which is why variable valve timing management will be needed.
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Oh yeah, cam phasing got, but no cam switching. sweat.gif lol Mixed up the terms

I guessed right then, since the Millenium black ES was the only limited edition car around that seems likely to have a strange ECU where no one else has heard of or used, My cousin's car is still around, but my cousin downgraded to EG, and gave/sold the car to his sister. I remember it was quite expensive during that time, 120K+? forgot. His EG is better equipped though, the ES he just drove around stock.

But if living in KL, I think I also will sell my older gen car, due to the popularity with thieves.

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post Aug 24 2012, 02:32 PM

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QUOTE(mADmAN @ Aug 19 2012, 09:10 PM)
laugh.gif no saman yet n insyallah no saman later on oso... coz ill be driving my sister's car for outstation travels..hahaha

cant drive my civic simply bcoz i had a f-ed up night last night... took the car out at about 3am for a quick rempit session on federal highway and while in 4th gear @ 7k RPM...my clutch kaputed...put it in gear and tekan minyak, absolutely nothing...

i can select gears so im pretty sure the gb is still good...plus when my car came out of the workshop a couple of weeks ago mechanic said he feels like my clutch cannot support already.

put in 1st gear... or any gear...release clutch..n nothing...car doesnt move n doesnt stall..clutch pedal feels like normal and all fluids are good...no leaks and no pump failures

was stranded at the side of federal highway for about 30 minutes coz couldnt find the number for tow trucks..plus there were groups of rempits going around....luckily none of them had the "robbing mood"

thankfully a police patrol car came by and i got them to help me out...but it even took them quite a number of calls to get a tow truck for me.
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Just sharing, i had clutch problems a while too, changed clutch pad, changed clutch covers, flywheel bearing had problem with clutch engagement/slip. Change a few times then finally changed the flywheel, night and day difference. Apparently my flywheel is worn to the limit where the clutch cover isn't putting max pressure on it. So i get slip easily, and sometimes cannot shift in properly. Apparently flywheels do spoil lol.

Still, what a fakap time to quit on you, that clutch
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post Aug 25 2012, 02:04 AM

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QUOTE(ReidenLing @ Aug 24 2012, 08:44 PM)
yup got use coolant ....saw it leaking some above from my spare tank there...and behind no idea where especially located behind my radiator fan hmm.gif
ya bro agree with you....gonna ask my technician to take out and check...but when he use the pressure gauge to check...weird no leaking  vmad.gif
Hmm check engine oil for some funny colour..??you mean check the dip stick ah bro...??i got use coolant bro till kering no idea fly where d haizzz sweat.gif
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Water pump leakage also hard to spot. Esp the pump gear seal, only can realize when you see dried coolant on pump area (mine is blue, BMW coolant lol, was motul before this), unless you don't use coolant additives, then cannot see the colour obviously.
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post Aug 25 2012, 04:23 PM

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QUOTE(ReidenLing @ Aug 25 2012, 02:24 PM)
GG d lo if so....so whats your recommendation bro...??ask my technician to check where...??i'll ask them to remove my radiator for wash again but before wash will ask to check whether there's any place else leak at radiator....where else bro pls guide ... notworthy.gif  notworthy.gif
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Usually radiator, but sometimes also heater pipe, the o rings pipe from the water pump to thermostat, sits under the intake. Those are places where it's hard to spot if there is a minor leak.

Also places you might lose water could be the gasket, if you have purging, that might be a cause, but you would also note that your coolant water will be oily or contaminated.

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QUOTE(JV88 @ Aug 27 2012, 09:30 AM)
Guys,

I'm planning to get a used Civic FD yr 2010 & above. What's normally I should check out? What is the common problems for this model that I should be aware of? Normally for yr 2010 & above I believe the car is still under warranty & been inspected by SC, so is there any computerized service record that I can check of? As for Merc & BMW the SC will have all service record done, did Honda do that as well? Sorry for noob Q, just preparation before joining the Civic family. Thanks for everybody wise advise.
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As far as i know, the only computerised record is with the SC. The ECU memory only stores error codes, but i have heard they also store up to a weeks driving, but not sure if truth or tok kok.


Added on August 27, 2012, 10:58 am
QUOTE(Arkaine @ Aug 26 2012, 08:05 PM)
in 4 months I been spending money on my eg...

1st steering pump, then tie rod end and arm link, after that.. bateri dead (used 3 years) bought a new one (time to change). Last week the alternator kong, when I got the car today, the brake gave up... almost hit a car in front, had to climb the side walk to evade it...

suspected the brake line got air... as the pedal getting lower to the floor to hit the brake.

Bleed it just now and the brake fluid won't come down from the master cylinder reservoir. Suspected the Master cylinder brake, or the booster...
dunno...
to do list

Suspension, Front Upper Arms, Radiator, Cigarette socket, rear antenna (stuck in the middle perhaps the gear wornout),
rear driver side power window motor, front passenger power window switch. Rust on the rear signal lamp as my car always parked at the sea side..

Hope can fix them soon... demn hard to get 'em parts here...
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Hello fellow eg owner, i actually did all the above already.. but mine is mostly replaced due to wear and tear

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[quote=unitron,Aug 27 2012, 01:12 PM]
3. Disk brake warped --> I think common previously, dunno if Honda already fixed the problem
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TBH the disc brake warpage I think is mostly caused by driver habits rather than faulty design. I drive my card hard, and usually any vibration comes from failed joint or worn bushings, I've replaced the rotors only once in a decade, and it never warped even after repeated trips up and down genting. Other cars also same. Most people tend to use brakes instead of engine breaking on downhill, thus causing the discs to overheat and warp.

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post Sep 7 2012, 11:08 AM

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QUOTE(zenix @ Sep 5 2012, 04:41 PM)
taiwan? shakehead.gif
drive civic have to play JAPAN rim mah thumbup.gif
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Yeah, I always wanted to get brand new volks rim, but at 10k+ a set, that will be a faraway dream. Second hand much more a realistic choice. I can tell you that japanese forged rims can take a serious amount of abuse. I once whacked a kerb with ek9 ori wheels, tire damaged but rim stayed round.. madness!

Oh, finally drove/rempit my friend's k20a eg yesterday. Out of VTEC, the car is disappointing. Seems like it definitely needs to be tuned for part throttle. The gear ratio is short though. Needs a little getting used to
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QUOTE(zenix @ Sep 7 2012, 11:23 AM)
looking for any FD1 or FD2 owners whom wanna swap and topup for my replica gun metal type-r 18" rims with new tires, trade-in car very soon.
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ooh, changing car.. accord? or going non-honda?
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post Sep 7 2012, 11:29 AM

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QUOTE(zenix @ Sep 7 2012, 11:26 AM)
life priorities change smile.gif
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sure does, so what family car are you going for next?


Added on September 7, 2012, 12:07 pmSince on the wheel discussion, these are my favourites wheels

Volk Racing
TE37 No matter low or high offset, these wheels look timeless.
CE28 more spokes, only looks good if 17" and up IMO

BBS
RS - Classic style, only for old school cars.
LM - The design makes 15-16" size look small, but with good offsets like +20 to zero offset, these rims look damn wicked with the thick lips.
BBS RK, CH-R = These rims look huge even at 17" sizes.

Mugen
MF10, One of the classics, don't like the design that much, but the distinct design is thumbup.gif
MF8, eight spokes unlike the 10 above, 4 lugs only.

Rims that I don't quite like the design, just a personal thing.
Mugen GP
VR RE30
Regamaster EVOs, SW388

Got lots more of my fave wheels, but these are the ones I remember for now

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post Sep 7 2012, 12:14 PM

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QUOTE(zenix @ Sep 7 2012, 12:09 PM)
not having a family.
just feel that fd1 isn't as exciting as i thought.
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DC5 bro. Prices getting cheaper now.
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QUOTE(unitron @ Sep 7 2012, 01:35 PM)
hmm.. should be a tuning issue. Anyway I haven't solved mine also, already 8 months, really disappointing. Planning to try out a new tuner new week.
Good luck, I have a feeling it's about the VTC, and frankly most of the tuners I've met cannot reasonably explain to me how they are going to set the VTC.

QUOTE(unitron @ Sep 7 2012, 01:35 PM)
You gonna be disappointed...  shakehead.gif  coz' I owned one previously and it was bleehh....  sad.gif
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Which year? if the new 2011 model and up, the rear suspension is horrible. For a supposedly 'city' car, it doesn't take bumps well at the back.

My mom is driving one. Now regretting. I told her to get an older K20 Accord.. but nooooo.. she says it's too big. I would have secretly stuffed in K24 while she wasn't looking. Lololol


Added on September 7, 2012, 6:31 pm
QUOTE(mADmAN @ Sep 7 2012, 02:21 PM)
"out of vtec"....wat about within vtec?
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Within VTEC is FASTTTTTTT!!!!!. With stiff mounts, the usual 'G force in your seats' not that strong, but can feel the acceleration. Tested it at the usual roads, can finish the 400m mark at 170km/hish, so quite fast la all things considered, since I shifted slower, I'm still not used to the k20 6 speed gear spread.

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