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TSjerm
post Oct 3 2011, 01:24 PM, updated 15y ago

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Hi all, i have a question for the structural engineers in you

In Layour-Current, i'd like to remove the walls circled in red
For toilet, remove 2 walls, and reduce length of one wall by 2 feet (from 8 feet to 6 feet)

For the store room, i'd like to remove it entirely, replacing it with an island

Please see attached plans

Are these walla structural walls? Ideally, how can/should i proceed with this?
this is a condo unit on the third floor

Would appreciate anyone's comments on this. Thanks!


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jackielee
post Oct 3 2011, 02:02 PM

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should be no problem. but u maybe facing some issue like thr will have big column which is for pipping inside. may more then 1. beside the ceiling level maybe different due to pipping.
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post Oct 3 2011, 02:08 PM

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I really don't think anyone here can safely advice you except engineers who have access to the condo's plans.
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post Oct 3 2011, 02:12 PM

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Condo, please ask Management office first. Some building with many walls are supporting purpose.
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post Oct 3 2011, 02:38 PM

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unfortunately the management says it's "okay" but will need the contractor to have a look at the wall to determine. I suppose the best way to see it is to drill a hole and see if it's RC or not.

I have once looked at another unit when contemplating to buy, that the owner had removed part of the toilet wall, leaving the inner wall shortened (as per how i'd like to do mine. The storage room was left intact.

The proper blueprints, believe it or not are no longer with the developers. This was the only one i could get my hands on.


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post Oct 3 2011, 03:33 PM

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Usually when you see one room in an open space is because the room is build to hide the pillar. Looking at your image, i am guessing there are either pillar(s) to support the building or maybe the entire wall is use for supporting the entire building.

You need to consult building Engineer. Don't take any of the forum-er word. If collapse not the forum-er going to suffer/die. Is you.
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post Oct 3 2011, 03:46 PM

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thnaks, looks like i'll need the contractor to have a look at it first before we decide on the best design
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post Oct 4 2011, 08:46 AM

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jerm, check with the management, which wall is load bearing wall and non load bearing wall.
Only non load bearing wall can be removed. Fyi, non load bearing wall can be r.c. too.
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Generally all condos don't allow you to change the plans fearing you might hit an important wall and the whole building collapse but I know there are still ppl changing the insides before. What they did is to get a structural engineer or some sort of architect to study the current plans and give you a visually how it would look like if you do whatever you want to do.
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post Oct 5 2011, 08:38 PM

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where did u get the plan layout? i don't see any column there, and this would indicate that the whole building are using shear wall system which means, no hacking. Unless, the wall involved are brickwall. Anyhow, better get a pro to decide for u
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post Oct 5 2011, 10:34 PM

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QUOTE(jerm @ Oct 3 2011, 02:38 PM)
unfortunately the management says it's "okay" but will need the contractor to have a look at the wall to determine. I suppose the best way to see it is to drill a hole and see if it's RC or not.

I have once looked at another unit when contemplating to buy, that the owner had removed part of the toilet wall, leaving the inner wall shortened (as per how i'd like to do mine. The storage room was left intact.

The proper blueprints, believe it or not are no longer with the developers. This was the only one i could get my hands on.
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Wahh your condo management like that one ah ... blink.gif
So unprofessional.... doh.gif
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post Oct 6 2011, 08:53 AM

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QUOTE(pky @ Oct 5 2011, 08:38 PM)
where did u get the plan layout? i don't see any column there, and this would indicate that the whole building are using shear wall system which means, no hacking. Unless, the wall involved are brickwall. Anyhow, better get a pro to decide for u
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Some non loading wall also build by concrete, not necessary to be brick wall.
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post Oct 6 2011, 10:11 AM

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QUOTE(enriquelee @ Oct 6 2011, 08:53 AM)
Some non loading wall also build by concrete, not necessary to be brick wall.
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Possible, still need to have a proper engineer to look at it. Normal contractor will not know what is what. Especially dealing with high rise building.

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post Oct 6 2011, 10:32 AM

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are there any specific ones i can engage to do this? What are the charges like for this?


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QUOTE(jerm @ Oct 6 2011, 10:32 AM)
are there any specific ones i can engage to do this? What are the charges like for this?
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Do you know the developer? Maybe you can contact the developer for guidance or maybe ask them introduce you to their Engineer.
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post Oct 6 2011, 10:55 AM

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as stated above, the developer does not have the blueprints for the units already, not sure if that's just laziness ontheir part not looking into it, so i wont get much help from there
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post Oct 7 2011, 12:20 AM

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QUOTE(weikee @ Oct 6 2011, 10:11 AM)
Possible, still need to have a proper engineer to look at it. Normal contractor will not know what is what. Especially dealing with high rise building.
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By just looking at the wall, engineer can't tell either. They need to know what is the reinforcement inside the wall, then only can judge.

QUOTE(jerm @ Oct 6 2011, 10:55 AM)
as stated above, the developer does not have the blueprints for the units already, not sure if that's just laziness ontheir part not looking into it, so i wont get much help from there
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Try check who is the structure engineer, then check with them see they have as build or construction drawing or not.
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post Oct 7 2011, 01:19 AM

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QUOTE(enriquelee @ Oct 7 2011, 12:20 AM)
By just looking at the wall, engineer can't tell either. They need to know what is the reinforcement inside the wall, then only can judge.
My meaning of "look" does not only apply to visual, is inspect and check.
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QUOTE(weikee @ Oct 7 2011, 01:19 AM)
My meaning of "look" does not only apply to visual,  is inspect and check.
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I see. They either need to use a scanner to scan the bars out or core the wall to see the rebar detail (not recommend this).

 

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