I don't usually like talking ourselves up but it's like you said, we call it as we see it. Downing dived, Rodwell as unlucky to have been sent off, blah blah but we outplayed the mancs in the second half. Anyone who doesn't see this obviously doesn't understand football. The manc thread should give you an indication of how well bad news sinks with them. Say something negative about their team even if you justify it with logic, and you're the devil incarnate. Ironic? It's usually young fans who don't have the aptitude to understand the game who dish out such less than insightful comments. I challenge any one of them to debate their case.

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Added on October 16, 2011, 11:44 amLike I said earlier, there are a fair bunch of mancs who don't really understand football but bought into the brand. Therefore, their arguments are laughable at best. Now, who was the better team? In this instance, the stats don't lie.

Liverpool mancs
15(5) Shots (on Goal) 11(2)
10 Fouls 11
8 Corner Kicks 3
3 Offsides 1
56% Time of Possession 44%
1 Yellow Cards 3
0 Red Cards 0
1 Saves 4

Yes, Pepe had 1 save to make at is was straight at him.

Adams was touched and he played for the foul, no doubt but there was contact, like it or not. At least he didn't go down in tears ala Nani. Find me a statement from the rule book that says contact doesn't warrant a foul. Funny they should bring this up because Marriner obviously saw contact and if this was so, they are bloody lucky duck face didn't receive a second yellow. Yes, bring this up more please.



This post has been edited by Duke Red: Oct 16 2011, 11:44 AM

Yes the ONLY reason we played well was because this was Anfield. Same as when we last trounced you lot 4-1. Oh wait a minute...

I'm not talking about the Nani-Carra incident, I'm talking about play acting in general. When I referred to Ronaldo with my mates, they said, "but he isnt with us anymore what". Ah yes, abandon a former player and throw him under the bus why don't ya? So now I refer to Nani in general. Does this mean Suarez doesn't play act? Of course he does as do many other players. Did Adam? Well I don't recall him rolling about the pitch, writhing in agony

The thing I don't get is this. Is it do hard to admit that we played better than you did in the second half? Is it so hard to admit that in most occasions, the ref would have awarded a penalty? Admitting it won't change the result so why is it so hard to do?

Love the coverage in the star btw. Totally neglected to mention anything about the fact we had a penalty denied and De Gea kept you in the game but that's THE STAR for you.

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Added on October 16, 2011, 12:11 pmThe thing is this. We can choose to look at the smaller picture if we want. Someone eyeballed De Gea during a corner kick, a fan called Evra a wanker, a fly hit Ferdinand in the eye or we can focus on the bigger picture. We had a better second half. It was clear as daylight and I'm perplexed as to why Mancs can't accept it. Sure it was a draw in the end and I'm not complaining about the result. The lads played well and im sure we'll have decisions to our way in games to come but I find it frustrating that some people suffer from delusion. It leaves me wondering whether these people actually watched the game or read about it and thought it was enough to justify debating the game.

This post has been edited by Duke Red: Oct 16 2011, 12:11 PM

Compare our threads and see who talks more about the other club. You aren't illiterate from what I can tell. Google also who has the more anti-who songs.

Let me help you. http://www.prideofmanchester.com/sport/muf...-opposition.htm

Aimed at other clubs as well. Now find anti-Man Utd songs from Liverpool fans will ya?

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Added on October 16, 2011, 12:45 pmWell said. Their level of arrogance denies them the ability to admit they were anything but excellent.

This post has been edited by Duke Red: Oct 16 2011, 12:45 PM

Nothing I like more than a good debate. The reason I don't bother visiting their thread anymore however is because the vast majority can't debate. Those that can come into our thread and for that, I respect them. The rest however think that argument winning arguments consist of, "we are better because we are Mancs", type statements. Kinda like how Shabery won his debate against Anwar a couple of years back. Syiok sendiri

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Added on October 16, 2011, 12:59 pmSays a lot that red nose had to tell their fans to show some respect prior to the game. Apparently they didn't heed his advice.

This post has been edited by Duke Red: Oct 16 2011, 12:59 PM

Thing is they prefer to focus on Evra whining the whole game instead of De Gea's stellar performance. I think we pay more compliment to De Gea than they do as a matter of fact and that says a lot about their focus.

This post has been edited by Duke Red: Oct 16 2011, 01:21 PM

If you read my comments earlier you'd note that I said Downing dived and Suarez does play act. No arguments from me. Can't fathom why some of your kin can't admit to the same thing.

As for the handballs it is in my honest opinion that Enrique's was a case of ball to hand. Even your own players didn't protest which speaks volumes. You may say I'm biased but I've always called it like I see it. I've always fessed up if I thought we were lucky or if one of ours dived.

Mancs to me are fans of youse. Even if you google the definition, there isn't a conclusive one. Hence I'll use it as I see fit. If you do google it's definition you'll find some less than wonderful definitions and even I won't use them.

The first half was 50-50 but the fact that we give De Gea praise says we had the better chances in the second half. When did Pepe have to make a save. I don't think it's that hard to show a little humility.

This post has been edited by Duke Red: Oct 16 2011, 01:32 PM

Good job. I wish more people indulged in fact finding exercises before posting drivel.

Lets wait for evidence this time round. If Suarez were really racist, Glen Johnson would have twatted him by now.

This post has been edited by Duke Red: Oct 16 2011, 01:36 PM

Let me be Michael Moores for a minute. Btw if any manc wants to comment, please google Michael Moores first to understand my post. Does anyone reckon that one reason Fergie rested his stars was because of what Rafa said? Mind games from our former gaffer perhaps? It's way out there but like I said, let me be Michael Moores for a second.

Oohhh someone insulted me on a personal level did he? Like to see him come out from behind the keyboard and do it face-to-face as any real man would. It's expected though. When you can't put up a decent argument, one usually resorts to insults out of desperation.

Maybe I made a mistake by saying "as any real man would" because them are mostly kids who would tell their mom if I so much as looked their way. It wasn't a threat by the way, I just honestly believe that you only garner respect by doing certain things face-to-face like breaking up with a girlfriend, or in this case, insulting someone. Only pussies break up using SMS or insult someone from miles away. That being said, all I'm looking for is for someone who can put up a decent argument and not cry like a little girl when they can't. Look at boxsystem. We may or may not agree on certain issues but at least he can put up an argument which is why I often chastise those of us who criticise such posters from coming into our thread. Do post if you have points to make, not if all you want to do is demonstrate your lack of intellect.

This post has been edited by Duke Red: Oct 16 2011, 02:33 PM

It's like I said earlier. All anyone has to do is google, "anti-man Utd songs from Liverpool", and "anti-Liverpool songs from man Utd" and voila! The evidence miraculously appears. So if you want to accuse us of posting hate comments, please look to yourself first. In fact, almost all our posts are focused on ourselves and the only reason we are talking about the Mancs is because certain lame brained comments. When we beat Everton there were pages of comments on how we were lucky and the ref was biased. Am I wrong? They can insult me or anyone else here as much as they want but no one can argue with facts.

I think Gerrard should relinquish some of his dead ball duties to Adam. It's one of his main assets and a big reason why we signed him. As it is we don't often score from corners and I'd much rather Gerrard be in the box as he's pretty good in the air, than at the corner flag.

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Added on October 16, 2011, 5:04 pmSporting gesture from Carra yesterday as well. When what's his face lunged at him as he was making a clearance down the line, Carra immediately got up on his feet, shook his hand and indicated to the ref that is wasn't as bad a challenge as it looked. This will of course go unnoticed by those whose only memory of Carra was that bad challenge on Nani. Those that choose to define a man by using one example throughout his career, while ignoring the fact that he's one of the most professional footballers around, who shies away from living a lavish lifestyle and watches football videos in his spare time.

This post has been edited by Duke Red: Oct 16 2011, 05:04 PM

King James found the time to make a generous donation to charity whilst he was in Liverpool http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news...es-lfc-donation

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Added on October 16, 2011, 5:40 pmKing Kenny praises Ferdinand for his honesty in admitting he made contact with Adam. http://www.liverpool-kop.com/2011/10/he-sh...eferee-got.html. Classy act from both parties.

This post has been edited by Duke Red: Oct 16 2011, 05:59 PM

Suarez led the line but was well supported by the likes of Gerrard and Kuyt. He was in my opinion, the MOM, not Gerrard. I think seeing our captain back on his feet and scoring at the Kop end meant he was the sentimental pick for the award. Suarez was a constant menace and was easily our most threatening player. He tormented anyone who was marking him. He held up the ball really well even when it was played high to him. He is surprisingly strong and managed to hold off much bigger defenders whether the ball was played high or low to him.

Read your sentence again.



Now I'm no English lecturer but this suggests to me that the reason we played well is because it was Anfield and we won't be able to do the same if we play at OT. You may not have meant any malice now that you've explained yourself but it doesn't change how I would have interpreted your statement.

Sensitive? My fault you didn't articulate yourself clearly then.

Come back when you're all grown up and know how to debate little boy.

Which fan isn't biased towards his own club? Even so, you can always put forth a counter argument unless it's beyond your means. Don't fault others for your own shortcomings.

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Added on October 16, 2011, 10:28 pmI get the feeling that this lot expect us to worship their side and they want us to a submit to them and admit they are superior.

Selective memory as well eh? Accusing me of being biased while conveniently ignoring the times we admitted to being outplayed e.g. against Sunderland and Spurs, that our player dived e.g. Downing, that an opposition player didn't deserve to be red carded e.g. Rodwell, that Suarez should be punished if he did
make racist remarks, etc. Biased reading more like it.

This post has been edited by Duke Red: Oct 16 2011, 10:28 PM

I must say I was surprised when I saw your starting lineup. I can understand the need to rest players every now and then and although I agree we aren't exactly contenders for the title, it is still rare for managers to rest players in derbies of this magnitude. Fergie himself mentioned how much importance this tie holds prior to the game. It's also the first time I can remember him selecting such a cautious lineup in your visits to Anfield.

I'm still sticking to my Michael Moores theory that it was partly due to mind games from Kenny and Rafa. The former saying it was just another 3 points and the latter claiming you keep winning because of money I don't agree but if you're playing mind games, you don't always mean what you say.

Oh well. Que sera sera.

On a lighter note, WILL has finally opened! Time to relive Istanbul again.

http://www.liverpooldailypost.co.uk/liverp...00252-29606197/?