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 Silver as investment V2, Don't cry, buy now.

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post Oct 12 2011, 06:10 PM

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QUOTE(basSist @ Oct 12 2011, 01:11 PM)
anyone know where to check the pre-releasing perth mint coin schedule?
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http://www.perthmint.com.au/forthcoming-releases.aspx

PerthMint sucking more money for this release : 2012 Year of the Dragon 1oz Silver Proof Rectangular Four-Coin Set
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post Nov 27 2011, 11:01 AM

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QUOTE(taurusbull @ Nov 27 2011, 09:17 AM)
Folks, I had wrote email to Perth Mint, and you want to do the same so that we don't have to pay the Fedex shit bill when we buy from Perth Mint.
Dear Pauline and Customer Service Department,
I am now a regular customer of Perth Mint that order one or twice per week, but I decided to stop the purchase as I wanted to report a totally unfair scenario of cost incurred by Fedex. I received my Mayflower 2012 yesterday, and I was made to pay RM105.80 for the supposed 5% Import Tax and 10% Sales Tax + Tax Clearance Service, eventhough Perth Mint gave FREE shipping for any purchase exceeding AUS $. The following is the breakdown of the cost to import one 1oz silver coin from Perth Mint into Malaysia if Perth Mint continue to Fedex.

Cost Distribution of Perth Mint's coin              AUS $  MY RM    % Cost
Mayflower 2012 1oz silver proof coin            97.27    308.45    74.5%
Malaysa's Import Tax 5% & Sales Tax 10%                47.81    11.5%
Fedex Service Fee for Tax Clearance                          57.99    14.0%
Total Cost of Mayflower 2012 Coin                            414.25    100.0%



I am active in a Silver as Investment Thread in the famous Low Yat Forum in Malaysia, and I had being constantly hearing forumers' frustration of Fedex, used by Perth Mint. They constantly prayed that Perth Mint will used Australian Post for their shipment. I don't prayed, I am writing to Perth Mint to use Australian Post instead of Fedex on behalf of all Malaysian buying from Perth Mint, if Perth Mint doesn't want to loose customers and not keen for its customers to subject to the above gross injustice of paying exhorbitant service fee. Worst still, Fedex doesn't even called the customer to ask permission, and just delivered the good and demanded payment before giving the good to customer.

I trust Perth Mint is a professional company and will do its utmost best to provide good service to address its customer issue.


Yours Truly
Perth Mint Account No: 501412
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You just have to email them to say you want to use EMS instead of Fedex after ordering. I did this for all my silver orders, but still use Fedex for my gold purchases.

They are even nice enough to put "sample" when using EMS.
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post Nov 28 2011, 12:05 AM

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QUOTE(chef @ Nov 27 2011, 10:13 PM)
Hi Chris, chunyen,

I was thinking the same thing too, of course there's the "when hyper inflation or recession hit, gold and silver is safe haven" talk.

But recently, when we see margin call and panick selling, everyone seemed to park their funds in the currency instead of PM. it is like PM has become a stocks or shares of some kind. Of course, most likely these are the people who traded paper PM instead of physical, but if all paper trader sell of their gold and silver for currency, would gold and silver price drop like a rock as well?

Then the next statement to follow is, then BUY MORE!! So if these paper investor use their currency to buy physical, wouldn't they be buying at much lower rate than what we are buying now? maybe even 50% off?

And finally we should come to the final, currency/fiat money crash and those with physical is king.

These steps are details which some of us might have overlooked. As a programmer (used to be) we look at every single little steps before reaching the final objective of us running like fugitive from a collapse country.

Would anyone want to venture listing down in steps, what would happen from today onwards, USA default on debt payment, europe currency crisis exploded and EU break up. What happen to the stock market? US Dollar? and PM?

Thanks for sharing in advance, this should be challenging and helps those planning long term, what are we suppose to do from today.

chef
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I disagree with the bolded part.

When the current financial system fails, many things will fall apart as well. Let just put aside arguments where people who hold physical may be robbed or killed etc etc and just imagine humans are civilized.

Everybody knows that during the olden days, gold and silver are viewed as precious metal. Even though current era still follows this mindset but will everybody be sure that when the financial system fails, gold and silver will still be as sought after? Everyone is having the pretense that when financial system fails, gold and silver will pop up as the shinning star. I strongly believe in barter system if the current financial world fails, after all you cannot eat a rock then.

Gold and silver are sought after during olden times as there exist a system that govern most things and also due to the system, people can place value on a rock as well. Inca's civilization was said to hold more gold than the Pharoah but they end up perish, gold is only as good when people sees them as valuable.

We shouldnt keep thinking that gold and silver will end up being at the top if financial system fails, as the value of a precious metal may totally be different in a totally different human civilization. What if when the financial system fails, people view Rhodium as more valuable instead?

People who wish to get into precious metal will still be bounded by the current financial system, most people in fact view precious metal for their numismatic value instead of their actual value (Look at dragon for example).
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post Nov 29 2011, 03:21 PM

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QUOTE(taurusbull @ Nov 29 2011, 11:16 AM)

If we put any statement out in a forum, we must be ready to be challenge by alternative views. It is just when your view continuously differ seriously in one particular forum, like singing gold in the "Silver as Investment" thread, it becomes a consistent contrarian to the forum stated objective, and therefore generated so many postings that repudiate the singing gold statements. The Facebook, LowYat Silver and Gold Group clearly get it right as a forum for silver and gold and allows trading. Go there as it will be the right forum, or start a new Gold as Investment or Gold and Silver as Investment thread, and we will not have any issues. Majority of people coming to this thread actually started with gold, your postings will make them "gostant" back to gold, and may missed the biggest investment of a lifetime in silver. I am making sure I am doing my parts, that is all, and collecting my karma along the way.
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Problem with those kind of forum where selling is allowed is that most posting are bias towards getting their sales done instead of putting informative information regarding precious metal.Many seller use past precious metal wave as their selling point instead of using the proper fundamentals of investing in precious metal.Many if not all people who are in this mad silver rush is due to the sudden popularity of the surge it created currently.

Everyone must remember the mindset of precious metal in this current financial system. Sorry to bring gold into a silver thread but I just want to share similar mindset that is within most community nowadays.Most people will still view gold as superior due to gold being expensive to obtain, silver is a poor men's gold and that is the status that human will inject for quite sometime unless something huge comes along.

I myself have invested in silver but only those which has good numismatic value, example Perth Mint Year of the Dragon series. Just take a look at how people swarm on those limited edition dragon piece and then resell it at higher premium,just because it is limited. This just show how much silver is used to speculate for profit instead of it's fundamental as a precious metal, but this trend will continue no matter what. On the other hand, gold series has no such mad rush, instead it has no fear of such mad rush due to its value itself as a gold.

Selling gold is so much more easier than selling silver(except those which has high numismatic value). I am sorry to say this but in my opinion, the point of view of silver currently is just so out of the fundamentals. You invest in previous metal is because it is precious metal, not because you see other people gaining and join in the bandwagon.

Just my 2 cents.
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post Dec 2 2011, 06:19 PM

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QUOTE(chunyen2020 @ Dec 2 2011, 05:13 PM)
I would say the exit time for your investment will determine which one you wanna get. Bars or coins as well as whether to pay the premium or not.
You gotta set a limit when you plan your exit.
What price should I sell out all?
When should I sell out all?
And of course everyone will say ' I wanna sell at the time where the price is at the peak'.
But for now, I see no accuracy of an exact exit time and price. All are just speculation currently.
So to avoid regret and being too greedy which may led to losses, one should decide their own exit plan.
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wish to add on some stuff as well.

Exit plan for physical varies base on a lot of factors. Many people jump into the silver bandwagon without thinking of the liquidity factor, when you are holding bars it is hard to cash out when you need to(emergency,profit-taking?), sometimes people may even incur losses due to the buy back %.

Best profit from silver investment is still from numismatic value, I find getting bars or bullion not as attractive due to the price fluctuation where when silver price drop alot,you will not see any silver traders around. Market demand also affect as well when something nice is out, the first to jump in seems to get the least value as when some silver bar gets popular, more people will bring in and more competition leads = good for consumer but bad for traders which eventually a consumer will become as well some day.

I still can't see the attractiveness of silver bullion as a save heaven like people say but I do like silver because apparent it is the only PM where minting company will create more designs to market them tongue.gif


Added on December 2, 2011, 6:27 pm
QUOTE(taurusbull @ Dec 2 2011, 05:50 PM)
Chef,
My answer is in my earlier posting. You can get a court order to forbid my posting, and I will abide with the law of the land, unlike others. As for my recommendation with 1oz silver bar it is purely based on my empirical research and observation, and I can't force everyone to take my advice, as some people just don't have the brain to understand, and I believe it is not my fault.
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wow shocking.gif

Whats the point of that when you just going to bash people for being brainless? People's money people's choice.






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post Dec 2 2011, 08:41 PM

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QUOTE(taurusbull @ Dec 2 2011, 06:34 PM)
Numismatic coin is one way of investment.

Silver bullion bar is another way of investment.

Silver bullion round may be another option worth exploring, particularly on the desgn artistic attribute (Numismatic) with low premium (bullion bar).

You can refer to page one of this thread for details.
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That does not mean we should take it without understanding other factors involve. Most of the post article posted here are from US which reflects the US market not the market we have here in Malaysia.

QUOTE(taurusbull @ Dec 2 2011, 06:54 PM)
Before you comment, please read all the facts thoroughly, meaning the question prior to the answer, history of posting, and if you are going to pick only 1/3 of sentence and make a statement, then you are shallow and judgemental.and maybe you are really a pack of quack.

How did I response to your comment todate? Fair and square.
I am replying base on the way you present your argument. You must be having a rough day seeing how you just wish to attack people verbally instead of replying people in a civilized method.

Like you mention,people can post whatever they like on the forum,now my reply is base on your use of words in a place for discussion not verbal attacks.
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post Dec 3 2011, 12:15 AM

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QUOTE(taurusbull @ Dec 2 2011, 09:35 PM)
What is civility and what is verbal attack? Everyone have different yardstick, and who are you to judge? I believe this forum have mitigating mechanism that censored certain words that are deem offensive and will not allow it to appear in this forum, like the words starting with 's" and 'f'. I don't see words like crap, and BS  are words not disallowed in this forum, and I am not directing to anyone directly in the first place. I am puting in my post with facts and reference to repudiate Crap and BS, so that inncocent readers will not be influence by the posting. If the forumer think they are posting facts and not BS, then I am not reffering to them, period. I am putting my facts on 1 oz silver bar in the forum, and if they don't have the brain to understand them, it is not my fault. This forum is an informal setting that only the admin set the rules. Forumer can keep their own rules and regulation to sanction their own family and have no right to sanction other forumers on proper conduct and decorum in any forum for that matter. If any forumer are so offended, they are free to skip the offensive articles, complain to admin to sanction the author of particular  posting and choose not to participate in this forum.

As far as I am concern, you can go fly kite for all I care, as you are a nobody with a shallow thinking. What do you have that you think you are qualified to lecture me? Age, experience, education, achievement or money? Name it? Don't give me all those qualitative factors of your own yardstick to judge others. No one have the right to sanction anyone for what they said in a free and 'democratic' country. Oh! you can sue me if you think I am offensive to repudiate your uncalled for comment of what I said.


Added on December 2, 2011, 9:48 pm

Another information for Numismatic Coin investor, someone is selling Perth Mint 1oz Gilded Dragon for RM310 in KLIA today. I believe the selling price by Perth Mint is AUD94.54, and that worked out to be RM308 without tax, and with tax using Fedex will be around RM400.  Mind you, dragon is still quite a hot property now, and we have a case of "high profit" for selling Numismatic coin.
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You posted many articles from US, are your facts base on US market or Malaysian market?
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post Dec 3 2011, 01:02 AM

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QUOTE(taurusbull @ Dec 3 2011, 12:28 AM)
Go ahead take any of my posted articles, do your home work, and challenged the facts given , and I will give you my reply, point by point after my family holiday next week.

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I am not questioning the validity of your articles, just are your views of silver solely base on US market or Malaysian market?

QUOTE(property101 @ Dec 3 2011, 12:34 AM)
frankly speaking, there isnt too much of information targeted for malaysia silver market (apart from this forum), thats why i have started my website Silver in Malaysia. hopefully i could provide some good information specifically related to silver market in malaysia. one of the articles that i wrote specifically for malaysia silver market is Silver Price in Malaysia. it might not be professionally written but i hope this serves as the first baby step to provide more information related to silver specifically for malaysians.
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Yes, I personally feel that for silver to be successful or gain more attention than gold is when Malaysian market evolve to how US market works. Many people may not like silver due to it being difficult to liquidate as easily as gold.

Why would it be so hard to sell a 1kg silver compared to a 1oz silver? Its still silver after all right? In fact many US article are mentioning how silver is performing better but if you cannot dispose your stock how are you going to get your investment back? Until we see bank willing to bring in silver investment scheme, I don't think silver will be an attractive precious metal. I know physical is better than paper, but if we are going to buy physical and sell it later when we see silver rises in price, aren't we still tightly hung onto the failed financial system?


Added on December 3, 2011, 1:03 am
QUOTE(basSist @ Dec 3 2011, 12:53 AM)
all.. calm down~have a nice view of my new arrival.. Dragon 2012 1oz Silver Rectangle Four-Coin Set~

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Got mine too.. too bad they only gave me one set even though using 2 account to buy. Stupid me to use same address doh.gif

Gonna buy toto with the number? tongue.gif

This post has been edited by quackpack: Dec 3 2011, 01:03 AM
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post Dec 3 2011, 08:33 AM

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QUOTE(property101 @ Dec 3 2011, 01:19 AM)
to answer your first question, anyone can anytime start investing in 1oz silver, but not 1kg silver. not too many people can afford it. the middle working class are the people will move things (be it politics, goreng property, paper asset investment, or PM investment). and the fact is not too much of middle working class can afford to buy 1kg silver bar. they are more likely to buy 1oz, therefore it's easier to buy & sell and being preferred by the majority.
generally i agree with what you shared, unless silver investment scheme gets more common and has higher liquidity, silver wont be as famous as gold. i know, that sux  vmad.gif
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One more thing to ponder on, even if banks start to accept silver investment scheme, will they buy back silver bars and bullions without a valid cert?



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