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 Silver as investment V2, Don't cry, buy now.

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post Oct 3 2011, 08:53 AM

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QUOTE(SGKSY @ Oct 1 2011, 11:12 PM)
don't take tax for coin into consideration lah. sometime, buy 1kg coins from distributor is cheaper than buying bar in secondary market. For example,  buying 1kg pamp bar from 1stopgold when spot rate is 40usd , the premium is 15%, that mean average 6 usd per oz. but most of the 1kg coin only have premium of around 4-5 usd per oz. If you can get the coin without tax, why not buy coin ?

last time , i bought gold coin, silver bar, silver coin from gainesville coin, all shipped in one package. but the custom clerk(i think they want to save time) only use the tax code for gold coin to apply for all items i bought. Then i got my silver coins tax free.....
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when U R lucky lah, I 'm not lucky. Even when I import bar, the custom said I import coin and change the tariff code given by my supplier from bar to coin. Ammend it straight away without informing me without checking the product itself. Ask me to pay tax. It already happen almost 10x already since last year. and ask me to pay tax. 15.5% That why no smooth ride. everytime I got to email fedex the picture etc. later it was released but a delay of 2-3 days in getting the item.
when the amount is big don;t expect smooth ride ok. unless your networking is good.

for your case, the correct way will be
tax on your silver coin + the freight. The rest no tax. MOre work.

But some bad luck case can also happen, let said the amount is USD10,000/- lah of which USD8,000 is gold. since there is some silver coin, they may just tax you
USD10,000 x 15.5 % . U have to argue with themlah.
in that case, U have to bring it up to their customer services department Fedex, DHL, UPS, TNT and file a complaint kow kow. They supposed to get it done properly.


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post Oct 3 2011, 09:25 AM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Oct 3 2011, 08:57 AM)
When you buy from the big dealers, they will enclose a tax invoice inside...should not be a problem to
identify the goods and prices.
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everything is included and properly done, yet they did not want to acknowledged.
then even if it is opened they will not tell me until I get the box. This freak me out especially when i buy some gold. Luck no item is lost yet, the package was opened.
but there is no tape showing custom inspection. Normally custom inspection should come with some special reseal tape on it.
I guess now they are targeting big importer lah.


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post Oct 3 2011, 10:52 AM

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QUOTE(jphlau @ Oct 3 2011, 09:54 AM)
They do have custom tape to tape back the box after they inspect them.

However, in my experience buying silver from overseas, the custom will call me to their office and asked me to open the box in front of them and let them see the items. Then they will take the invoice and see how much they are going to charge me in terms of tax.
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that if U use USPS or EMS. where you do self-clearance. If Fedex, DHL, TNT, UPS, they will do the checking with the courier.
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post Oct 3 2011, 11:16 AM

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QUOTE(jian5481 @ Oct 3 2011, 10:59 AM)
Anyone gonna bring in PAMP Suisse 2012 Lunar Dragon? I'm planning to get 5g Gold Dragon and 1oz Silver Dragon. So far, I only know Habib is going to sell these, but not in all sizes.

http://www.bullionbaron.com/2011/10/stunni...ragon-bars.html
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must be very expensive i guess
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post Oct 4 2011, 09:15 AM

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QUOTE(paogeh @ Oct 3 2011, 10:48 PM)
serious ?
TT charges x2
then APMEX seems 2 be the better choice ,
**until now i still dun see why gainville is better other that have more choices of coins .
Just side questions, anyone has straits settlement gold coins for sale ? Please let me know, i'm interested to buy . Thank you
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R U sure U 1 straits settlement gold coins. It damn expensive as far as I know.
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post Oct 4 2011, 09:30 AM

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QUOTE(SGKSY @ Oct 3 2011, 08:08 PM)
i don't think it is limited mintage item. now is still 2011. but i sure will buy some and i think PAMP will release new design every year to make them a series product.


Added on October 3, 2011, 8:11 pm
panda no mintage lah, bank of china will increase the mintage one. 2010, increased from 800k to 1.5m, 2011 increased from 3m to 6m.  very hot item.
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well, although limited mintage will push the price of the item to very high. It 's not a wise move as it will encourage counterfeit product. One way is to increase the mintage let the general public and collector to have the chance to own panda and yet maintain a reasonable numismatic value which enable the mint to earn some decent profit, collector to pay a slightly decent premium to own one. and discourage counterfeiting since the premium is not that high.
However, there is nothing can be done for precious year panda where the mintage is low. expect to pay high premium for it and beware of counterfeit product.


Added on October 4, 2011, 9:31 am
QUOTE(paogeh @ Oct 3 2011, 11:25 PM)
HSBC - online - RM25 (RM40K limit/day)
          any branch - RM45+6  (no limit , but the officers/bank staff might ask u alot of questions if TT large amount of $)
so far, i think HSBC offered the best forex rate,
any bank does better ?
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HSBC got limited branch. quite a hassle to ask customer to bank-in to HSBC.


This post has been edited by GoldChan: Oct 4 2011, 09:31 AM
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post Oct 6 2011, 09:49 AM

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QUOTE(SGKSY @ Oct 5 2011, 06:17 PM)
both goldchan and silverformalaysia selling their items at reasonable price. If i don't order from oversea, i will support them.
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thank you.

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post Oct 8 2011, 12:11 PM

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QUOTE(asokakenji @ Oct 8 2011, 09:27 AM)
I am wanna buy air tite! please tell me where to buy
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http://silvermalaysia.blogspot.com/2011/02/coin-capsule.html

most of the things are there.


Added on October 8, 2011, 12:16 pm
QUOTE(spikyz @ Oct 7 2011, 07:25 PM)
if we really for investment. we will go for 1 kilobar silver. lolz and silver bars only. coins are well known for their premium including eagles, maples and phils. haha
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got 1 customer he stucked with almost 1000 oz of 5 oz and 10ozs,
I told him customer only want 1 oz not big one. if not he could have lease it to me and make a few ringgit /oz out of the lease.




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post Oct 8 2011, 06:28 PM

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QUOTE(spikyz @ Oct 8 2011, 01:01 PM)
yeah, i found a dealer that can provide 1oz silver dragon. but his selling price is around 380 aldy. so i think its not worth it to take it here n sell to others coz its quite expensive for 1oz of silver. haha but yeah limited mintage. sorry again bassist. =(
goldchan...wah why ur customer so rich? 1000oz? glupp. hehe btw bro any new offer for silver bar?
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they are millionaire lah. got few houses + nice car.
only we are small kid playing with silver little investment
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post Oct 9 2011, 10:14 PM

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just make sure that both metal don't touch each other.
don;t mix metal together. silver + milo tin => Ag + fe + Tin => AgFeO3Tin
forgotten my chemistry already but U get some nice composite metal after long term storage ok.
at least the silver must be sealled lah in plastic b4 putting in milo tin.

QUOTE(chef @ Oct 9 2011, 03:32 AM)
Milo Tin.

Damn.... Now I have to move it to horlicks tin....

Damn.... Now I have to move it to...somewhere else.

Put it in somewhere safe, but don't let it get thrown away by your wife or mom, or maid or a mah. For silver, keep at home lah, for gold, dig a hole. still store it at home. Honestly, if you are rich enough to buy silver, go for scotsdale stacker, the kilo and 100oz stacker can stack nicely into a small space and if you put it at some corner, nobody will know that bunch of metal is worth RM 100k or so.

I would recommend keeping 1 type of bars as many as you can, then keep a few of the others as collection. you buy those loose pieces from APMEX, they are going to give you those scratched or toned bars and various unheard of brand people sell to them, I suggest don't try for those.

chef

But if your bars are like mine, 1oz and such, keep in air tite Milo tin if you milo is confirm airtite. (put a candy inside and see if ants comes) and keep it in cool dark dry places.


Added on October 9, 2011, 3:39 am

Hey goldchan!!

Waiting for your next offer.... I'm sure you have some bars to sell, can let us know? or can PM me so I see if I can order some more from you?

chef
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Added on October 9, 2011, 10:18 pm1. 7118090900 that the correct one.
2. custom has the final said on the tariff code as far as i'm concerned.

QUOTE(taurusbull @ Oct 9 2011, 07:14 PM)
Dear Silver Investor,

The following is the import and sales tax for silver under two different import tariff codes in Malaysia.

1) Tariff Code: 711810000;  Descriptions: Coin (other than gold coin), not being legal tender
> Import Tax =5% and Sales Tax = 10%
Example : Silver Coin, ie. Silver Bullion with any national legal tender such as American Eagle USD1 silver coin, Canadian Maple Leaf C$5 silver coin, China Panda RMB10 silver coin, Perth Mint Kookabarra A$1 silver coin and all other silver coins produce by Government Mints.

2) Tariff Code: 711411000; Descriptions: Articles of goldsmith’ or silversmith’ wares and parts thereof, of precious metal or of metal clad with other precious metal.- Of silver, whether or not plated or clad with other precious metal.NILNIL
> Both Import Tax and Sales Tax is ZERO
Example: Bullion Silver Bars and Rounds with print containing the amount of actual silver content, and without any legal tender, and mostly minted by Private Mint.

The silver investors are advised to purchase only silver bars and silver rounds if the objective of investors is the silver price appreciation. If you buy bullion silver coins from local Malaysian dealers that do not pay Government import and sales tax, that means you are in possession of smuggled goods in Malaysia.

I hope the above helps Malaysia silver investors in their "investment of a lifetime over the next 3 to 5 years".

Best Regards
mysilverbull@gmail.com
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post Oct 10 2011, 10:56 AM

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silver still in USA waiting for packing and delivery. waiting for delivery.
next week got lah .

QUOTE(chef @ Oct 9 2011, 03:32 AM)
Milo Tin.

Damn.... Now I have to move it to horlicks tin....

Damn.... Now I have to move it to...somewhere else.

Put it in somewhere safe, but don't let it get thrown away by your wife or mom, or maid or a mah. For silver, keep at home lah, for gold, dig a hole. still store it at home. Honestly, if you are rich enough to buy silver, go for scotsdale stacker, the kilo and 100oz stacker can stack nicely into a small space and if you put it at some corner, nobody will know that bunch of metal is worth RM 100k or so.

I would recommend keeping 1 type of bars as many as you can, then keep a few of the others as collection. you buy those loose pieces from APMEX, they are going to give you those scratched or toned bars and various unheard of brand people sell to them, I suggest don't try for those.

chef

But if your bars are like mine, 1oz and such, keep in air tite Milo tin if you milo is confirm airtite. (put a candy inside and see if ants comes) and keep it in cool dark dry places.


Added on October 9, 2011, 3:39 am

Hey goldchan!!

Waiting for your next offer.... I'm sure you have some bars to sell, can let us know? or can PM me so I see if I can order some more from you?

chef
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post Oct 10 2011, 09:29 PM

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QUOTE(taurusbull @ Oct 9 2011, 11:27 PM)
You can allow custom to decide your fate, or you can determine your own fate by insisting the Malaysian tariff code and the ability to justify your claim. I get what I want in my recent importation by justifying with custom, and they agreed with my justification.
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well, I guess I 'm an unlucky person. Thus, I based thing on zebra. Hitam putih. Black and white. no argument.
See also can tell straight away.

Since U can argue with custom try become a seller and import lot and lot of stuff.
Let see how things goes. lah.
Some things I don;t know how to describe lah.


Added on October 10, 2011, 9:32 pm
QUOTE(sparekim1 @ Oct 10 2011, 06:10 PM)
How large is a large quantity is very subjective, different sellers have different discount structures. Just contact them and ask. But if you are buying like more than 50oz, i'm sure most sellers would be willing to give discount.
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got 70 oz spare sunshine or silvertowne. RM125/oz First come first serve.
email wkchan1991@gmail.com
valid till spot < USD33/oz
ok.

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post Oct 11 2011, 08:36 AM

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QUOTE(taurusbull @ Oct 10 2011, 11:48 PM)
I am a new silver investor and not a dealer. All I am trying to do is share important informations from my silver research to willing new silver investors. I don't take insult lightly.
I am not only sharing information now, I am sharing my physical silver as well just to piss you off.
I have 20 pcs of Sunshine Mint 1 oz silver rounds, and 1 pc of 10oz NTR Metal silver bar to let go at RM125/oz.
If you take 10 oz silver, I will give 1 oz of Sunshine Mint silver round FREE OF CHARGE.

Interested party, please email mysilverbull@gmail.com, as availability is while stock last and based on first come first serve basis.
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Good price. There are times, people can offer better price. You should grab the opportunities, there are seller who brought at USD28/- perhaps some at USD26/- now profit taking. I based my price on my replacement cost + etc cost. If someone can sell lower than go ahead buy from them. Open market.


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post Oct 11 2011, 01:20 PM

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aiyah, no problem lah. Everybody is encourage to sell at the lowest possible price no offense.
Just that, since my volume is moderate size, not small enough to be not detected, Got to pay income tax. With all the paper work involved, it can easily added up to few ringgit per oz. Just talk to an accountant yesterday, he said that audit fee is expensive and based on sales amount. vmad.gif
Well. if you got something to sell at lower price, I can always ask my buyer to email you.
No problem with that!!!

between suppliers since last week there was already many price war in facebook, and etc...
normal lah. sometimes Giant is cheaper, sometimes Tesco , sometimes EcoSave.
Just shop around.

QUOTE(taurusbull @ Oct 11 2011, 09:32 AM)
GoldChan,
No need to justify. On 26th.September and for a few minutes, the spot price went down to USD26, and it is below USD28 for less than 2 hours. You need to pay a premium of USD1.49 above spot price to get your silver round. Meaning to get USD26 for anyone is impossible, and to get USD28, you must be god to know the timing to purchase within 30minutes to buy it at USD28 for a silver round.
I know you are an honest silver broker, and your price at RM125/oz only allow you to have a reasonable margin. That is the reason I only offer RM125/oz, and my FREE silver of 1 for 10 purchased just to proof a point that you don't just simply throw a challenge and insult to a total stranger without getting any consequence. You had your music, and I had my dance. We just closed this case amicably, and move on as I have no intention is spoil anyone rice bowl as it is bad karma.
Cheers!
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post Oct 11 2011, 09:37 PM

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QUOTE(property101 @ Oct 11 2011, 08:53 PM)
dont worry, i believe they are honest business man. people in the precious metal business, their words are law. they honour the deal even it's verbally agreed. i dont believe they will keep stock to avoid loss. they are the kind of person who honour a deal even if it is a lost. it works both way, they expect the same goes to the buyer. even if a buyer place an order at (let's say) usd32, when the price fall to (lets say) usd 26 in two days, they do expect the buyer come to pay and collect the silver.
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true but some time seller have to bear loss lah cause for every seller there are 20 - 50 buyers. So probability for buyer to back out is very high lah.
so in every business one need to be cautious, if new kid on the block come up say 1 2 buy 100 oz just be careful lah. take deposit.
buyer back out seller can do nothing lah.
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post Oct 13 2011, 02:29 PM

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in this market, there are many strong player around.
I'm just a small fry lah.
You never know how big the player are?
Some can afford 1 ton of silver. some 1/4 ton of silver.
That big.

market wise, it getting more and more unattractive lah. Price war has already been especially in facebook SLS.
well, getting more difficult to sell lah. Sell based on price. Susah lah.
the only player will remain are those in good location which can do COD easily.

if you got your $ stuck for various reason, supplier no stock, brought the wrong stock which cannot sell, you are finish for 1-2 mths. as far as i concerned the money is dead. You cannot do business with the cash tie down.
think hard who and what you want to buy lah.


QUOTE(chef @ Oct 13 2011, 01:06 PM)
Actually, I'm expecting the price to come down, usually this happen when the price rise steadily and looks like it's going to shoot. I've learned my lesson and if the price starts to drop again, it's buying time. Whatever price you guys can buy now, even dragon or panda, the price will still go down if silver price drops below USD 28.

Anyway, just my 2oz worth opinion. Looking at the news this 2 days, Euro is going into crisis for sure, and again, second round of rushing to USD as safe haven. I think that's why we don't see gold chan around, he is currently known as USD chan. smile.gif

chef

PS Hey soo, don't worry, your coin is coming, the aussies are working hard but you know, what we can do in 1 day tkaes them 3 weeks. Sorry for not replying your sms, I'm overseas and each sms cost me RM 2.00 at least!! sad.gif
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post Oct 13 2011, 09:15 PM

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QUOTE(spikyz @ Oct 13 2011, 05:07 PM)
SLS is quite big. it depends also la. got 3700 ppl inside there.

some seller are quite good. fast response and easy to dealing with. but i also encounter 2 bad incidents.

1. Promise to meet 10pm, but he delay2 till 11 and come around 12. -__-"
2. Pre-order silver, and 4 weeks still dont get the item..sigh so called pre-order man.
I do sell some stuff at SLS as well, usually i only do C.O.D, meet alot of ppl, and many of them are very friendly. talk about silver n gold. chit chat. good to deal with la. market is big.

and yes, i deal with daryl from silverformalaysia and goldchan. very easy, very fast, and recommended. =D
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it's a market just like U drop by a pasar malam. U never know what U get.
some good deal, some very bad deal, some normal deal. I encourage everyone to explore lah.
i sure u go to pasar malam to try out different2 food etc.
though U may loss some time, $$, etc.. it may worth the experience, never try never know.
One thing for sure, good news take ages to reach everybody.
Bad news, spread like wild fires.


Added on October 13, 2011, 9:18 pm
QUOTE(chef @ Oct 13 2011, 07:30 PM)
I think as more and more people go into silver as collector then turn dealer, surely some not so business minded one will spoil the market and mess up the reputation of all.

Anyway, let's all cool down a little, guide the new ones properly how to collect and how to sell, business etique and such. keep low yat silver clean and happy yeah?

still after hundreds of post, there's no one good site for us here to gather our buyer and seller to meet and deal.

chef
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I do have a thought of such a website 2 years back. but come to think of it, all seller will not support it cause
I also a seller wor.
so not easylah.
lot of thought but most of them did not come through due to lack of time and the amount of effort needed is too much for me at the moment.
Just give info in my blog will do lah, just hope that its' helpful to you all lah.
that the very best I can do at the moment.


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post Oct 17 2011, 03:23 PM

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QUOTE(Gold Swiftlet @ Oct 17 2011, 03:06 PM)
Yup !! Totally agree with spikyz !!


Added on October 17, 2011, 3:08 pm
Yahoooo!! Awaiting for your good news.
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aiyah2 no more business oledi for me.
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post Oct 18 2011, 04:01 AM

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1. DIfferent meaning of bulk. For me bulk means 500 oz minimum. 100 - 200 oz is considered small.

2. For some bullion delivery time is very long, so I won't not want to get my $ stuck for long2 time. cannot do business.
upfront payment is required. nevertheless some form of collateral (10oz silver bar etc) can be given once payment is made
let me think how to go about this.will get back to you.


QUOTE(spikyz @ Oct 18 2011, 12:31 AM)
the process will be like this.

let say for example, we want to buy scottsdale bar, we target around 100oz. so we will announce in the group, we gonna order 100oz so who would like to join, they need to state d amount they want to buy.

so then lets say, i take 10, nidz take 10, chef take 10, n bla bla bla. so we have 10 buyers each take 10oz. so we pay to one appointed member to collect the money (which will be calculated beforehand, including shipping,tax,currency exchange and etc). pay to this appointed member, he will then proceed with the buying from overseas.

the item arrive. then it will divided among the members, 10oz each. ,if place is near, can COD. if not need to add alittle for post. i try last time, 10oz d post is around RM7 only.

the advantage..bulk buying from overseas can get cheap price. but we need to buy in bulk. so thats why we have this bulk-buying together.


Added on October 18, 2011, 12:32 amand again. we will offer this only to FB group member and also Lowyat.net member. we need details and etc. and yes, of course the money to buy d item as well. to avoid any last minute FFK.
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post Oct 18 2011, 04:49 PM

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QUOTE(jphlau @ Oct 18 2011, 04:04 PM)
search for 'Lowyat Silver and Gold Group' in FB
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already made an offer at FB lowyat group. Those who join can see the offer. cannot offer much lower cause brought at high price.


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