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ivan89
post Aug 14 2019, 05:26 PM

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Hi guys, I do a lot of DIY at home but I'm new to solar power generation setup.

If I want a small-scale offgrid type, let's say maybe 200w/h for 8hours to power my led lights for hydroponics purpose:

I need 2 pieces of 270watts panel from lazada/shopee only? What about all these other items that i read from the last few pages of this forum? ie controller, inverter, battery, dc cable, switch box etc etc? What else do I need and what is the rough cost??

Thanks a bunch
ivan89
post Aug 14 2019, 05:28 PM

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QUOTE(yushin @ Jun 27 2019, 09:42 PM)
Well if you just need smaller scale solar like 5kw, hybrid type.
Nowadays it only costs about 22k.
However you won't be able to connect your whole house to the inverter.
Choose those power hungry device like aircond and fridge, they are usually the cause of high electric bill.
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RM22k for DIY or contractor?
Why unable to connect whole house to the inverter?
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post Aug 14 2019, 11:37 PM

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QUOTE(yushin @ Aug 14 2019, 09:58 PM)
22k is include contractor work to install panel on the roof, pull wire to the inverter and connect the inverter to part of your house electrical supply.

This is not for selling back to TNB.

inverter only 5kw, run 2 aircond already hitting the limit.
Don't want to put too much stress on the inverter.

Btw this is for single phase supply house. if your house has 3 phase your need 3 phase inverter which is much more expensive!!!
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1) This 5kw system is before or after x 80% efficiency? If hasn't x0.8, that means it is effectively 4kw, for rm22k?

2) My house is 3 phase, how much more is needed for 2 more inverters + installation setup?

3) Or can I just connect it to one of the phase that consumes most electricity?

4) Does the RM22K includes batteries? If yes, what is the capacity?

5) I wouldn't mind hiring someone to do this as my monthly tnb bill is close around rm450. Do you have any reliable contact for hiring?

Thanks bro!!
ivan89
post Aug 14 2019, 11:46 PM

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QUOTE(yushin @ Aug 14 2019, 10:13 PM)
200w for 8 hours = 1600wh

base on 3.5 sun hour you need 457watt of panel. Assuming 80% panel efficiency your will need 571watt of panel.

For energy storage of 1600wh using 12v battery, you will need 133ah.
Knowing lead acid only good for 50% discharge if you want the battery to last longer.
You will need 12v 300ah battery.
Add more capacity (panel and battery) to cater for consecutive cloudy days.

If you want to play hardcore then try lithium batteries.  devil.gif

your 200w light is ac or dc light?
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Hahahaha I saw your lithium battery setup, way too exp. Does the life span justifies the initial cost?

I will check tomorrow whether is my hydroponics light ac or dc, can't remember now.



By the way, I found some cheap solar controller from China on shopee/lazada, are they reliable?

https://shopee.com.my/12V-24V-MPPT-Solar-Ch...5054.1750642907

https://shopee.com.my/HOT-SALE-40-50-60-100...0112.2272173054

https://shopee.com.my/LCD-10-20-30-40A-3-Ti...8425.2380205894



Or do I need to get really expensive ones like these?

https://shopee.com.my/60A-MPPT-Solar-Charge...7968.1233629292

https://shopee.com.my/30A-40A-MPPT-Solar-Ch...0253.2215518015


Thanks!
ivan89
post Jul 20 2020, 09:35 PM

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QUOTE(yushin @ Aug 15 2019, 09:14 AM)
My hybrid inverter charger is 4kw only. I get 5kw panel so I could get more power when the sunlight is less optimal.
With cloudy klang valley weather, I seldom get optimal power output so put 25% more panel lor.

for 3 phase, there are two ways to do it.
1) Use a single 10kw 3 phase hybrid inverter. costs like 14k.
2) Use 3 unit of single phase 5kw hybrid inverter, costs about 12k. The inverters are linked somehow and got software to sync up the phase. but you will need much more space to put the solar panels for the 3 inverters...

rm22k include 4 x 12v 150ah battery. I am using 48v system.

TNB rm450 per month, means one month you use about 1000kwh, one day you use 33.3kwh.
A 5kw system at perfect condition can offset 17.5kwh per day. Which means your monthly consumption will reduce to 474kwh.
At 474kwh TNB bill will be Rm166.78. You can save rm283.22 per month, in a perfect world.

It will take you 77.6 months to ROI the rm22k you spend. Which is 6.5 years.  sweat.gif
BUT!!!
since you're using lead acid batteries, you need to change the battery on the 4th or 5th year so the ROI will be much longer.

PS: Lithium iron phosphate batteries, at 80% discharge rate, have a theoretical lifespan of 10 years.  brows.gif
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Hihi yushin, I asked you some questions last year. Then I was occupied with work and had to put this project aside.

So I have some free time recently, and I'm going to start my hydroponics and solar pv projects soon. I'm thinking to start small and just power the led lights under the balcony, some outdoor lighting, and some small appliances in the room first.

1) I want to check with you about the battery. I saw from Lazada, a MSB ULTRA BATTERY 12V 100ah, it says 500 cycle life span. So, if I set DOD of 50%, meaning that it can last for around 1000 cycle?

2) Is there a setting on the controller that let me power the load directly during day time (only store excess power in battery), so the battery life span won't get shorten so fast?

Solar Panel -> Load, instead of Solar Panel -> Battery -> Load?



Thanks! =)

This post has been edited by ivan89: Jul 20 2020, 09:56 PM
ivan89
post Jul 20 2020, 10:10 PM

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QUOTE(yushin @ Jul 20 2020, 10:02 PM)
I'm not familiar with lead acid battery lifespan  sweat.gif
But I believe if you set DOD of 50% it should last longer than 500 cycles...

Plan to make a 12v system?
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1) Should I use 12V system? I'm not too sure about this.

2) Is there a setting on the controller that let me power the load directly during day time (only store excess power in battery), so the battery life span won't get shorten so fast?

Solar Panel -> Load, instead of Solar Panel -> Battery -> Load?
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post Jul 20 2020, 10:35 PM

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QUOTE(yushin @ Jul 20 2020, 10:16 PM)
Depending on the type of panel voltage and your hydrophonic power consumption. Any decent controller (even the RM25 PWM controller) will store excess energy to the battery if your load is less than solar panel charge.

Example
Solar panel provide 1000w power
Your hydroponic pump only uses 100w
The controller will charge the battery with the remaining 900w(minus some conversion loss)

You will need a solar controller. Whether its pwm or mppt will depend on your panel voltage.

The voltage of the system depends on your hydrophonic pump and power requirement.
What is the estimated power for your hydrophonic? only pumps?
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I see, that's good to hear.

I'm looking at this one, https://www.lazada.com.my/products/ready-st...s975450935.html?

Review seems good. Panel Voltage is 34.5V. You have other better panel suggestions?

For the hydroponics pumps, I might start with one which is AC 40Watts. Start small first. Trial and error. I'm new to hydroponics too. I also haven't figure out how many hours to run it yet.

For now, just to kick start, mainly some led lightings under the balcony and outside the house.



 

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