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STOCK MARKET DISCUSSION V99, Don't miss out buying time
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cherroy
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Sep 28 2011, 01:58 PM
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QUOTE(mopster @ Sep 28 2011, 01:33 PM) hmmmm PNB is the taikor of SPS... so i guess it's more or less a done deal... Unless -> PNB is not allowed to vote in EGM, and all the 3000-4000 strong ikan bilis say "N-O" to PNB... SPS BV : 2.15... offer price 3.90 is about 1.81x PBV only...  havent consider the GDV, Landbank, etc.... sigh~~~~ *me dun have SPS* Added on Moolah needed for election... what to do... They are not allowed to vote as it is RPT. So for those existing shareholders, they can still vote "no" if not satisfy with the offer price. It is not done deal yet.
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Sep 28 2011, 02:08 PM
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QUOTE(yok70 @ Sep 28 2011, 01:56 PM) china needs 10 yrs?? wow, you are really bearish! i'd say 3-5 yrs. so i'm super bullish then. now the situation is like: china up, others down. so the gap is accelerating.  During 80's time, people said the same on Japan... The rest is history.
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Sep 28 2011, 02:10 PM
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QUOTE(yok70 @ Sep 28 2011, 02:00 PM) correct, better be cautious all the time. i am planning to start accumulating china index ETF every qtr after EU + US issue stabilize.  Added on September 28, 2011, 2:02 pmso if the minority shareholders vote "no", also the deal cannot successful? really? we so powerful?  can wb warrant holder vote? It is all depended the rest of shareholders apart from PNB. Warrant holder cannot vote, but if you converted it, you can vote.
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Sep 28 2011, 02:24 PM
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QUOTE(noswear @ Sep 28 2011, 02:21 PM) why do you need to vote?? if is a conditional GO..... u juz decide whether to tender your share or not only mah...... no need vote leh...unless is a takeover via Assets & liabilities or capital repayment route....... Opppss,, my mistake, I taught another takeover asset and liabilities. Ya, just reject the GO.
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Sep 28 2011, 02:40 PM
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QUOTE(noswear @ Sep 28 2011, 02:27 PM) anybody is an engineer here?? we forumers group some money for you to developed time machine... so tat we can go back and "sai lang" SPSETIA yesterday...  Time machine? You can travel to the future by traveling at speed of light, but this cannot travel backwards. if got time machine, "sai lang" index futures, better. Gain 60 points in a matter of 24 hours. 1 contract, cost around 5k capital only. Can gain 3k. Sail lang 50 contracts, 150k masuk pocket already.
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Sep 28 2011, 03:08 PM
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QUOTE(yok70 @ Sep 28 2011, 03:02 PM) wanna ask, how exactly it works? contracts got different expiry dates and same price (RM5000 each)? if so, everyone will be buying those with longest expiry date? so anytime before expiry date, can sell the contract and get the profit/loss? anyone familiar with trading future contract here?  Either you buy/sell Sept 2011 or Oct one. After you buy, you can sell straight away just like ordinary stock, if you don't want to sell, you can let it cash settled at the end of the month. https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/494353/+200
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Sep 28 2011, 03:38 PM
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QUOTE(yok70 @ Sep 28 2011, 03:29 PM) I read that thread but can't find answer. sorry to ask further here. so the contract is on monthly basis? if i buy sept contract, i must sell it in sept? if i buy oct contract now, can i sell it in sept? is sept and oct contract same price? thanks!!  If you buy Sept one, you can only trade for Sept one. Yes, if you buy sept one, you must sell within sept, but if you don't sell also can, let it cash settled. For eg. you bought Sept at 1360, you can sell anytime just like ordinary stock. If you bought and not sell until 30 sept, at 30 sept closing/settlement price is 1365, you earn 5 points.
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Sep 28 2011, 03:52 PM
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QUOTE(yok70 @ Sep 28 2011, 03:45 PM) so how many months ahead that i can buy from now? say buy December contract can kah? if i buy Oct contract in Sep, Can i sell it in Sep? Or must wait until Oct? thanks!!  You can buy/sell oct contract now, or even Dec 2011. Sep and oct can have different pricing due to outlook of the market. http://www.klse.com.my/website/bm/derivati...prices-indices/
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Sep 28 2011, 03:56 PM
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Sep 28 2011, 03:50 PM) contract so far away, I think no one want to trade with you. Hehe There will be plenty of people roll over Sept contract especially now is the last week of Sept whereby Sept contract will be settle this Friday. So no problem to trade the Oct one.
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Sep 28 2011, 03:57 PM
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QUOTE(yok70 @ Sep 28 2011, 03:50 PM) oh, so it's trading like stock? if no buyer, cannot sell also?  Yes. But nearest month or next month, generally liquidity is there. Won't be hard to find a buyer/seller.
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Sep 28 2011, 04:57 PM
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QUOTE(kueyteowlou @ Sep 28 2011, 04:48 PM) What happens to GENM? The company buying back the shares? Pushing very hard on it.. Whole day push and push.. Phew.. Looks tired.. Sometimes, wonder, some company is so generous on buying back, can spend hundred of million to buy back but yet so reluctant to increase more on dividend, despite good EPS year after year.
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Sep 28 2011, 05:37 PM
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QUOTE(kueyteowlou @ Sep 28 2011, 05:22 PM) they want to sustain the price more than issue more dividend..  But if you pay good dividend, price is sustained itself. Look at Digi, Bat, etc, you don't need to buy back a single share, the price automatically staying high, even market plunge, they are still rock solid high. Added on September 28, 2011, 5:38 pmI find share buyback is totally useless, specifically for the reason to support share price. This post has been edited by cherroy: Sep 28 2011, 05:38 PM
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cherroy
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Sep 28 2011, 05:50 PM
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If want to make stock market flourish further, I have one suggestion.
Amend the rule, no buyback allowed. Excess cash money belonged to shareholders, no use, the only way, distributed to shareholders. I can bet more people have more confidence to invest in stock market, and we can share price higher instead depressed price on some stocks.
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Sep 29 2011, 10:05 AM
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QUOTE(noswear @ Sep 29 2011, 09:11 AM) eh sifu here... i always notice this thing... if limit up like spsetia - warraant... buy price has mp = 10000 0.76 = 10000 ***mp always appear at a later part of the trading......btw,,,wat is mp?? my other question is if u the initial batch that q buy at 0.76.......b4 the mp... then if after the mp.....ur buy q still stuck at 0.76 or will move above at mp??? MP = match pending. If not mistaken, it is still inside the MP. because price cannot go above 0.76. I am not 100% sure on this, may be fellow remisier can clarify this kind matter. No matter how, your Q still inside 0.76, which is the highest can be done for today.
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Sep 29 2011, 10:53 AM
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QUOTE(andrewckj @ Sep 29 2011, 10:51 AM) Please don't privatize SP SETIA. I like this property developer share a lot  They are not going to privatise it, as PNB stated they want to remain the listing status of SPsetia.
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Sep 29 2011, 10:58 AM
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QUOTE(Bonescythe @ Sep 29 2011, 10:54 AM) Usually this kind of news.. Full of uncertainty. Want to buy, but remain listed.. What kind of BS is this.. In the end, will tell u, no more want to buy.. Finance controller informed that this is not a good decision. Then shares will kaput.. We don't know exactly the intention of PNB move. It can be strategic for themselves to take full control on the board or whatever strategic reason they have in mind. Also, don't think acceptance level of the offer will be good as well.
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Sep 29 2011, 10:59 AM
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QUOTE(yok70 @ Sep 29 2011, 10:57 AM) CIMB Research said although this offer is likely to push SP Setia’s share price close to the offer price, it limits the upside to its RM4.73 target price. “In view of this and the uncertainties associated with the offer, we downgrade SP Setia from Outperform to NEUTRAL. We make no changes to our earnings forecasts or target basis of 10% premium over its RM4.30 RNAV,” it said. http://www.theedgemalaysia.com/business/19...to-neutral.htmlNow I know how to read their paper. Now only I know their TP is not for one year period, it's for short term period. Now only I know. My bad.  LOL, just I posted yesterday, TP may revised to Rm3.90...
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Sep 29 2011, 11:06 AM
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QUOTE(andrewckj @ Sep 29 2011, 11:02 AM) This is what I worried the most Boney. Now definitely not a good time to buy SP SETIA, since the conditional take over is at 3.90. So, can't average down. My ABP for SPSETIA is still pretty high at 3.75. Such a dilemma for me. Got trap by the price, cash out all the shares now or wait for the take over? Having said so by waiting, the upside for SPSETIA will be limited. The downside will be limited as well, as the support will be at 3.8x. SP SETIA is as good as in hibernation mode now. Just my view, can't do much to this stock at the moment. Yup, for near term price is rather stucked at tight range, unless there is more clarification, or new development on the offer price. It can go beyond RM3.90, (as they stated they are not going to privatise it, so there is no reason, why it cannot go beyond Rm3.90), if market believe there are counter offer, or offer price will be revised upwards, but personally, I don't think so, as PNB already has 3x% stake already.
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Sep 29 2011, 01:23 PM
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QUOTE(yok70 @ Sep 29 2011, 01:11 PM) Sime's acquisition totally do no good to E&O shareholders if they don't plan to push the price up to benefit everyone. Unless, in friday AGM, they announce to apply aggressive share buyback to push price up at least above 2.00. Or maybe Sime should use their 1% in open market to push price up. Good luck to E&O holders. I haven't bought any yet since I haven't seen how the price can move up yet (it's not cheap even at current price).  Just personal opinion. As compared, the PNB - Spsetia vs Sime - E&O. PNB - Spsetia is miles better than Sime - E&O. From minority shareholders perspective.
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Sep 29 2011, 01:25 PM
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QUOTE(simplesmile @ Sep 29 2011, 01:23 PM) Wahhh, HELP is crying for help lo. Drop so much. Whoever said education is a defensive counter. Looking at MEGB and HELP... not defensive at all. Who said education is a defensive one? I posted before, for private tertiary business, it is a tough business to run. Every year you need to find new customer, it is tougher than making sales on insurance.
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