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 STOCK MARKET DISCUSSION V98, Celebrating KLCI breach 13xx point

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andrewckj
post Sep 23 2011, 09:48 AM

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QUOTE(f3rrarilover @ Sep 23 2011, 09:37 AM)
need an honest opinion:

I am thinking for few options:

1. Sell All (cut loss around 25-30%) and go for GAS malaysia IPO - All in
2. Sell All and sit back do nothing - in view that market will only go down further before recovery
3. Do Nothing

What would you do?
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Don't cut loss, by cutting loss you are allowing others to make money from you. If you have money, start to nibble here and there to average down your stocks. make sure, the stocks you are holding are good and solid, one that will recover.

At the moment, you should exercise 3.

For me, I told myself I will start collecting a bit when KLCI hit 1350. So now, I started to buy a bit here and here.

NExt stop for me to buy some stocks will be 1250..if it ever hit. You need to have your investment strategy intact.

Don't worry as long as you are not a contra player.

I'd always tell myself, money will not be gone if I invested them in a good solid company. Money considered to be gone completely if I'd chosen to eat good, fine dining luxury food, because no matter what kind of food or how expensive it is, the food will be digested into .... as a end product. So why worry? Of course it is not nice to look into deep paper loss, but bear it with, this is the risk attached to it.

Talking about risk, how risky can stocks be when the most risky thing is being human itself. We sleep, we might face the risk of not being able to wake up. We get into relationship, not knowing that whether will our partner stay devoted to us even after all the efforts or money showered. If anyone tell me investment is risky, scared and worried so much, maybe I can conclude that they have not be a human long enough to understand. Being human is the riskiest things ever!

Cheers, take this as an opportunity to buy in.Just my 2 cents biggrin.gif biggrin.gif
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post Sep 23 2011, 10:02 AM

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QUOTE(ken_ng @ Sep 23 2011, 09:45 AM)
bro andrew, i did put my eyes on these divvi counters as u mentioned b4 that TM is quite defensive which i think it's good. However, both of them seems haven't reach a serious oversold situation and TM is not much discounted in my opinion  tongue.gif

while other big cap companies(may not b divvi counters) especially PANAMY, GENTING etc are on "sales" atm  drool.gif  Besides, may i ask PANAMY holders here, is PANAMY only announce special divvi in May as i check back the history? if PANAMY continues the special divvi nx yr with the current share price now, then it is very  drool.gif
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PANAMY will have higher risk attached due to electronics product. People tend to stick to old electrical products during recession and only will change them if they are spoiled. Genting needless to say, super high foreign exposure with so many business source, it is an IHC, a conglomerate company.

TM is defensive, but if you look at the moment, a huge support is at 4. Anything below RM 4, is considered a good buy and dividend yield will stand at 6.x %. Happy fishing/netting. Cheers thumbup.gif
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post Sep 23 2011, 10:07 AM

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My buy order of SUNREIT at 1.07 has been matched. O.O. Checked the tracker, SUN REIT got dumped and being swallowed up in big alot, i suppose is EPF.

TM also is being swallow up..
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post Sep 23 2011, 10:32 AM

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QUOTE(baqueen @ Sep 23 2011, 10:08 AM)
very good point you got there!
in my opinion, there are 2 point to "cut loss"
1. cut those under perform counters
2. sell now and buy back lower

what's ur view on these 2 points?
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1. Cut loss on under perform counters. Definition of under perform counter? Definition gotta be clear.

2. Sell now, and buy back lower. ---> Define on what is lower? Market is unpredictable, no one will know when is the right time to buy or sell. This is always the dilemma that we human have. That's why I keep on emphasizing the importance of having a strategy. Everyone has his/her own strategy to trade or invest.

My steps are easy.

a. Keep telling myself to set my definition right. I'm a believer of 80 20 rules and I applied it in my daily life routines and as well as when it comes to investment.

Good time, market bulling up= My portfolio is 80 % aggresive, 20 % defensive.

During the time when market tend to head to bear, I will restructure my portfolio to 80 % defensive and 20 % aggresive.

Again, ask yourself, what is the definition of your aggressive and defensive stocks meant? Maybe you don't like 80 20, you can set your value, perhaps 60 40 %? It's up to your risk appetite.

For me,

Defensive stocks = telco, utilities, consumer products, REITs.

Offensive stocks = Property being the most, Banking sector, O & G, Plantation.

I add 1 more, cyclical stocks = Glove companies

Previously, I hold SUPERMX, a lot in SPSETIA, TAMBUN, BIMB, PBB, YTL, and little defensive stocks with MAXIS and YTLPOWR only.

Now, it's the other way round. I have took profit on SUPERMX, BIMB, PBB, break even on Tambun, Cut loss on YTL and Spsetia. Then the money i use to restructure into a more defensive position.

I have started to collect Genting 2 months back from the price of 10.80, and had been continuing to average down. Now my ABP is at 9. 40, still at paper loss, but Genting is currently my most aggresive stock to be followed by UOADEV @ 1.50 and SPSETIA.

Strategy is very important. Before you start buying, you have to think whether you are in for trading or investing. Target price? When to take profit and when to cut loss. Make yourself act like a robot, and try your very best to adhere to the strategy. You often will not go wrong. Reason why many people get burned badly in stocks is because they don't have a good strategy in hand. They tend to let the emotions ride over them. Cheers thumbup.gif

Quote: You need to have a good strategy to bring your life to the next level. Mange your life like how you manage a company. wink.gif
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post Sep 23 2011, 10:48 AM

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QUOTE(sharulzzz @ Sep 23 2011, 10:38 AM)
hahahahhaa
andrew, i think you r in deep shit if u dun sell ur portfolio
malaysia stock dun look good for the rest of the year
it is downward trend and keeping the stock now will eventually lose until have the paper value only. it will not go back to 1450 again until i think 1 year to go
for me sell at the best price u think off and nobody is expert in this shit.

for me i will put my investment elsewhere rather than on stock
now it is time to run

i know people will keep chasing again

for me i rather cut loss now and painful a bit rather than painful twice the amount
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if you have understand my previous post, I've said I'm a believer of 80 20 % rules. Do you think I will get myself to expose everything in stocks? Haha! Thanks for your advise dude, but I do know how to manage my investment. I trade in forex, I hedge some of my currency, property, I have some cash savings too.

Stocks only made up to at most 20 % of my networth only. So if market tend to rebound, at least I'm sure I will have 20 % of higher networth than u. If your claim is true, then just let the 20 % of my networth to be in the cold freezer. Anyway, that 20 % of it won't affect my daily routines. No worries dude.

Cheers... icon_rolleyes.gif

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post Sep 23 2011, 11:09 AM

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QUOTE(ivan1128 @ Sep 23 2011, 10:58 AM)
WOw idol! Are you organizing any Forex classes? smile.gif
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OT: Haha. You are flattering me tongue.gif Forex not so soon, I'm still learning from my Uncle to be better as forex trading is one of most volatile trading out there, you make a lot of your burn till nothing left. I need to be well prepared before giving classes as I don't want people hard earned mone to get burn.

Forex is where I trained my discipline from, pursuing in ACCA is where I trained my determination from and working as a audit is where I learn my organizing and management skills from.

oh, that's my life.Lols tongue.gif

Time to time, I do organise some talks on wealth management and investing tips for some of my clients and friends to attend. I consult people on their personal financial as well. smile.gif
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post Sep 23 2011, 11:15 AM

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QUOTE(Neo18 @ Sep 23 2011, 11:13 AM)
i will start entering RM25k per week starting from next week until the end of the year. which mean got 14 weeks
14 x 25k = 350k
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I like! Support! God bless us! biggrin.gif
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post Sep 26 2011, 11:00 AM

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Bear running amok with all the bear relatives, family members and friends running wildly around, having party. Shall we party too? cool2.gif
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post Sep 26 2011, 11:08 AM

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KLCI is plunging deeper into red Zone. UOADEV - 10 cents, PBB drop 70 cents and even BERNAS drop 11 cents. We are certified and confirmed to be in bear zone. It could get bloodier. Enjoy the ride down, time to be excited, but if you are scared, time to exit now, else just enjoy the ride..
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post Sep 26 2011, 11:11 AM

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QUOTE(firett @ Sep 26 2011, 11:09 AM)
previously KLCI dropped the least .......others dropped like "ping-ping-pong-pong" whereas we were dripping down very slowly.
However, having said that i'm inclined to believe we could break through
1300 pts but the bottom is quite near..........
watch the volumes..........if it free fall WITH volumes then BUY !!
but if not much spike in volumes then keep to the sidelines.
Remember this word.........in times of war prepare for peace, in times of
peace prepare for war !!
I guess we are about to go to war !!!
So prepare your bullets !!!
WATCH THE VOLUMES!!!
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+1, you are right, copy that! Now is the time to prepare to go into the war, because it has BEGUN!
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post Sep 26 2011, 12:09 PM

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UOADEV, still can drop. Respect this counter, thought at 1.5x will be able to find it's support, but the dumping continue...
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post Sep 26 2011, 12:20 PM

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QUOTE(othme @ Sep 26 2011, 12:11 PM)
Nowaday market price is like those drinks in buffet. Bottomless  sweat.gif
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Indeed, bottomless, I'm seeing our KLCI to breach 13xx within this week, reaching 129x. I'm still not buying, bearish mode is just about to start.
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post Sep 26 2011, 12:21 PM

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QUOTE(Bonescythe @ Sep 26 2011, 12:12 PM)
Worse then MEGB. Sigh..
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oh ya man, UOADEV is nearing to penny stock. Man, I'm trap at 1.50, lols! My only property stock left together with some of SPSETIA.

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post Sep 26 2011, 12:27 PM

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QUOTE(mopster @ Sep 26 2011, 12:22 PM)
hmmm u no sell, i no sell, most of the FA sifu here no sell.. then who sell ??? O_o
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FF, I have a friend which works in DBS Investment bank in Scotlant. I was talking to him last night and he told me, sentiment is bleak, like there is no light at the moment at the end of the tunnel. Like I have said, KLCI will breah 1300 level by this week. Heavyweights will continue to fall...blue chips become red chips...dollar stock become penny stock. Double digit PE will become single digit..

Banking sector will get hit worst, property sector, automobile, aviation, and the list goes on..


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post Sep 26 2011, 12:29 PM

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QUOTE(Bonescythe @ Sep 26 2011, 12:28 PM)
Just a matter of time to -40 i guess.
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It will be the record single day highest drop at closing price today to set a new record for the year.

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